Author Topic: 1949 Letter from Holy Office Correcting Feeneyite Error (Read 20977 times)

CM · « **Reply #25 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:48:50 PM »

You don't limit the scope of an infallible dogmatic definition by presuming to say that God allows us to recede from it in some degree.

You know that's forbidden. Hmmm... maybe you don't.

Here you go:

Quote from: Pope Leo XIII

The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium. Epiphanius, Augustine, Theodoret, drew up a long list of the heresies of their times. St. Augustine notes that other heresies may spring up, to a single one of which, should any one give his assent, he is by the very fact cut off from Catholic unity. "No one who merely disbelieves in all (these heresies) can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or may arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single one of these he is not a Catholic" (S. Augustinus, De Haeresibus, n. 88).

The part in bold should show you that just because BoD has not been explicitly condemned by name, that doesn't mean it is not heresy. It posits a recession from a whole whack of dogmatic decrees, which I am getting tired of posting.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #26 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:43:55 AM »

It wasn't condemned by name because it is not a heresy.

CM · « **Reply #27 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

So you keep saying. It doesn't matter that the proposition objectively contradicts the words of irreformable definitions of the Holy See, I guess.

Needless to say, we shall continue to disagree on this point, unless YOU change your mind. I, however, will not turn my back on God's revealed truth.

Jehanne · « **Reply #28 on:** October 08, 2009, 07:26:17 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

It wasn't condemned by name because it is not a heresy.

It was only applied to catechumens, that is, to those individuals who had made an explicit faith commitment to Jesus Christ, as Lord and Redeemer of all mankind, and had made the vow for Sacramental Baptism; BOD was never, ever applied to non-catechumens, that is, to Jews, infidels, or pagans. This is the modernist heresy of "implicit faith" and hence, "implicit membership" in the Mystical Body of Christ, which is the Most Holy and Apostolic Roman Catholic Church, "outside of which no one at all will be saved." This is de fide, and given the infallible pronouncements at the First Vatican Council, we are obliged, as loyal and obedient sons and daughters of the Church, to reject, as heresy, the 1949 modernist docuмent of the Holy Office against Father Feeney and instead accept the unambiguous and clear language that Holy Mother Church has provided us in her infallible Magesterium.

Belloc · « **Reply #29 on:** October 08, 2009, 07:49:45 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Needless to say, we shall continue to disagree on this point, unless YOU change your mind. I, however, will not turn my back on God's revealed truth.

Pompous as usual.....you have turned your back-have yet to hear when/where/how you received water baptism, where you fulfill your duties in regards to confession, Eucharist,etc...

Functional Protestant........you have your own truth and interpretation.....all others are wrong and have to change...

I do not always agree w/Stevus, but on this one......

ALso, Feeney is long dead and molding in the grave.....how about we pray for him, ourselves,our neighbors and move along......... :jumping2:

CM, I offer prayers for you a lot BTW......