Author Topic: 1949 Letter from Holy Office Correcting Feeneyite Error (Read 20935 times)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:46:58 PM »

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St. Thomas was wrong. His doctrine is now quite heretical in light of the Councils of Vienne, Florence, et alli.

Yes it couldn't be that Vienne and Florence understood Aquinas' teaching on the matter (representing the mind of the Church) and meant their narrowly defined statements to be read in the context of Aquinas and other Fathers.

It must mean that the Popes and Bishops of these Councils simply did a 180, threw Aquinas and the Fathers in the trash can and ripped off an entirely new meaning to EENS condemning absolutely all non water Baptized Catholics to Hellfire for eternity.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #21 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:35:36 PM »

Thanks for screwing up the thread in more ways than one, roscoe. :cheers: :whistleblower:

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #22 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:36:23 PM »

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Thanks for screwing up the thread in more ways than one, roscoe. :cheers: :whistleblower:

Sorry. This is addressed to Classicom, not roscoe.

CM · « **Reply #23 on:** October 03, 2009, 05:30:14 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Quote from: Catholic Martyr
St. Thomas was wrong. His doctrine is now quite heretical in light of the Councils of Vienne, Florence, et alli.

Yes it couldn't be that Vienne and Florence understood Aquinas' teaching on the matter (representing the mind of the Church) and meant their narrowly defined statements to be read in the context of Aquinas and other Fathers.

It must mean that the Popes and Bishops of these Councils simply did a 180, threw Aquinas and the Fathers in the trash can and ripped off an entirely new meaning to EENS condemning absolutely all non water Baptized Catholics to Hellfire for eternity.

You think that the Council Fathers intentions are what matter? No. The declaration of the decree itself is all that matters, since it came out exactly as God intended it to, being infallible.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:10:09 PM »

You don't take the text of the Council in a vacuum and then plaster whatever meaning you want to it.

This is Luther's approach to the Bible,

Rather you have to look at the mindset of the Church and Council Fathers to see what they intended in the text and it is CLEAR that they in no way meant absolute necessity of water baptism for salvation.