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Author Topic: "On the Fewness of the Saved: Teaching of the Saints" Fr. Francis-Xavier Godts  (Read 8381 times)

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Offline OABrownson1876

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I know that some of you on CI are deeply interested in the EENS debate, and, I am also aware that it is a contentious issue.  All is fair in salvation and war!  Fr. Godts has produced for us a valuable work, and he presents from our vantage point a very nice expose of the issue pre-Fr. Feeney.  Having nearly finished the book, I sense no liberalism in Fr. Godts.  There are over 900 footnotes in this 455pp. book, published by Refuge of Sinners Publishing, Inc.  Even one well-versed on the topic of EENS will find this book of great interest. Fr. Godts attacks with great force the liberal theologians, or if you will, the liberal pre-Fr.Feeney/pre-Vat II theologians. It was translated from the Latin to English by S. Daly, in France, 2017.   I am not sure if there is an online copy.  It might be available on the www.archive.org.     










Offline AnthonyPadua

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I know that some of you on CI are deeply interested in the EENS debate, and, I am also aware that it is a contentious issue.  All is fair in salvation and war!  Fr. Godts has produced for us a valuable work, and he presents from our vantage point a very nice expose of the issue pre-Fr. Feeney.  Having nearly finished the book, I sense no liberalism in Fr. Godts.  There are over 900 footnotes in this 455pp. book, published by Refuge of Sinners Publishing, Inc.  Even one well-versed on the topic of EENS will find this book of great interest. Fr. Godts attacks with great force the liberal theologians, or if you will, the liberal pre-Fr.Feeney/pre-Vat II theologians. It was translated from the Latin to English by S. Daly, in France, 2017.  I am not sure if there is an online copy.  It might be available on the www.archive.org.     
Since you've nearly finished the book. What % are we talking here saved? 0.0001%? Overall comment on the fewness?


Since you've nearly finished the book. What % are we talking here saved? 0.0001%? Overall comment on the fewness?
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The consensus of the Church Fathers and Doctors, based in Holy Writ, is that "many are called and few are chosen." Recall that a "wicked and adulterous generation" asks for signs and symbols, and that they shall not be given them. I think it's advisable to accept that "few" are chosen and then simply to work out salvation in "fear and trembling", as St. Paul recommends, but not losing sight of the unfathomable mercy of God, whose sacrifice on the cross redeemed all men, evidencing God's preparedness to accept our contrition and provide us the necessary graces as long as we humble ourselves to ask for them.
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Don't worry about percentages. 

Offline OABrownson1876

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Fr. Godts in chapter 4, "The Teaching of the Saints is Approved by the Theologians," quotes a Fr. Mauran, who says:

"Alas it must be admitted that the great majority tell us, as St. Thomas Aquinas does, that the saved are in the minority!- What a terrible doctrine.  I must admit that it has always shocked me.- Yet it is very painful to see such an opinion taught throughout the Middle Ages.  In our own days those theological treatises that are classics in a great many Major Seminaries still teach the same opinion, notably the theological manuals of Vencent and Bonal.  Cardinal Gousset also tells us that 'the majority of men are lost.'  Yet a reaction against these deplorable doctrines is becoming established in men's minds." (pg. 123)

This quote from Fr. Mauran safely summarizes Fr. Godts' position.  I think it safe to say that were Fr. Godts living today he would be of the "Rigorist" camp, which is to say that the majority of baptized, adult Catholics are damned.  Today, we as traditional Catholics, would probably modify the "Rigorist" position to read, "Only those baptized Catholics who attend the Latin Mass and condemn the New Mass, will be saved."  This is my position as a traditional Catholic.  Of course we can argue what constitutes "the Latin Mass"/"New mass", et cetera. 

Let us assume that there are 10 million Traditional Catholics in the world, which might be a high figure.  Or consider this statistic: Assuming the world population to be 7 billion, one percent of the world population would be 70 million; so assuming all Trads save their souls, this would be 1/7th of one percent of the world population.    

Offline DecemRationis

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I know that some of you on CI are deeply interested in the EENS debate, and, I am also aware that it is a contentious issue.  All is fair in salvation and war!  Fr. Godts has produced for us a valuable work, and he presents from our vantage point a very nice expose of the issue pre-Fr. Feeney.  Having nearly finished the book, I sense no liberalism in Fr. Godts.  There are over 900 footnotes in this 455pp. book, published by Refuge of Sinners Publishing, Inc.  Even one well-versed on the topic of EENS will find this book of great interest. Fr. Godts attacks with great force the liberal theologians, or if you will, the liberal pre-Fr.Feeney/pre-Vat II theologians. It was translated from the Latin to English by S. Daly, in France, 2017.  I am not sure if there is an online copy.  It might be available on the www.archive.org.     











Sounds like a definitely good read. On my reading list.