I like how Hietanen won't say why he posts on an SSPX forum.  :rolleyes:

So if what he says is true about all SSPX Traditional Catholics here being heretics for being in communion with the SSPX, that would make Hietanen a heretic as well for posting on an SSPX forum. So Heitanen, as long as you continue to post here you might as well label yourself as a heretic.

I don't post here to commune with you religiously or to unite myself to you in religious communion or by prayer. I post here to help people spiritually.

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I like how Hietanen won't say why he posts on an SSPX forum.  :rolleyes:

So if what he says is true about all SSPX Traditional Catholics here being heretics for being in communion with the SSPX, that would make Hietanen a heretic as well for posting on an SSPX forum. So Heitanen, as long as you continue to post here you might as well label yourself as a heretic.

I don't post here to commune with you religiously or to unite myself to you in religious communion or by prayer. I post here to help people spiritually.

Ok, here's a bit of advice for you Hietanen. Condemning people and calling them "heretics" isn't going to spiritually help them very much. So basically you are wasting your time, unless you start taking a kinder approach.

I don't think I condemn people or tell them the truth of that they in fact will go to hell for their mortal sin or heresies until they have manifested obstinacy in their sin or in their heresy. When a person defends his heresy or mortal sin, then must that person be condemned, since by condemning him, might he be struck with remorse and repent.

Jesus was very hard on the sinners, some repented, others did not. Others was he soft with, and they repented. All people are different, some listens better to calm words, others to hard rebukes.

Most people I have talked with here have not had any interest of accepting the true Catholic Faith or ceasing with their mortal sins, but have been overly obstinate in their errors. What can be said to such condemned sadly headed for Hell individuals other than the truth? Most people today sadly only care about living in mortal sin and to have pleasure, following God and his commandments, doing penance, and avoiding worldly pleasures, sinful films, bad video games, or whatever it can be, isn't in peoples interest anymore.

But what to expect? We are living in the last days after all, and the last days would be the worst of them all. Today, with all the technology that have been made available by the devil, countless of mortal sins and other pleasures, are sitting in front of man, and these things - without him understanding it because of his bad living and because he don't want to understand - draws him away from the love of God to the love of the world and of it's pleasures.

Please, read this file. I know many here simply refuse to do so since it condemns your sinful lifestyle, your sinful video games, your sinful films and series, and many other of your pleasures that you so much love to do. But if you really care of being saved and of being friend with God, you must not run away from the information that will help to save you,

http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/

Intended or not, that is annoying, umblehay.  I will respond, but not tonight.  I know it is hard to believe, but there is more to consider/discuss than "the dogma."

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I like how Hietanen won't say why he posts on an SSPX forum.  :rolleyes:

So if what he says is true about all SSPX Traditional Catholics here being heretics for being in communion with the SSPX, that would make Hietanen a heretic as well for posting on an SSPX forum. So Heitanen, as long as you continue to post here you might as well label yourself as a heretic.

I don't post here to commune with you religiously or to unite myself to you in religious communion or by prayer. I post here to help people spiritually.

Ok, here's a bit of advice for you Hietanen. Condemning people and calling them "heretics" isn't going to spiritually help them very much. So basically you are wasting your time, unless you start taking a kinder approach.

I don't think I condemn people or tell them the truth of that they in fact will go to hell for their mortal sin or heresies until they have manifested obstinacy in their sin or in their heresy. When a person defends his heresy or mortal sin, then must that person be condemned, since by condemning him, might he be struck with remorse and repent.

Jesus was very hard on the sinners, some repented, others did not. Others was he soft with, and they repented. All people are different, some listens better to calm words, others to hard rebukes.

Most people I have talked with here have not had any interest of accepting the true Catholic Faith or ceasing with their mortal sins, but have been overly obstinate in their errors. What can be said to such condemned sadly headed for Hell individuals other than the truth? Most people today sadly only care about living in mortal sin and to have pleasure, following God and his commandments, doing penance, and avoiding worldly pleasures, sinful films, bad video games, or whatever it can be, isn't in peoples interest anymore.

But what to expect? We are living in the last days after all, and the last days would be the worst of them all. Today, with all the technology that have been made available by the devil, countless of mortal sins and other pleasures, are sitting in front of man, and these things - without him understanding it because of his bad living and because he don't want to understand - draws him away from the love of God to the love of the world and of it's pleasures.

Please, read this file. I know many here simply refuse to do so since it condemns your sinful lifestyle, your sinful video games, your sinful films and series, and many other of your pleasures that you so much love to do. But if you really care of being saved and of being friend with God, you must not run away from the information that will help to save you,

http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/

Heitanen,
You are on a traditional Catholic forum!  I think most of us here are striving to live a good Catholic life!  What right do you have to call us heretics and tell us we are in mortal sin?

In my lifetime, I have met people like you.  Everything is a mortal sin (by their judgement and false misguided interpretations of Church teachings usually put forth by lay theologians who have NO mission  or authority from the Church to teach).  .  

Your guy in Sweden from the website link is one of the self appointed teachers, along with many others including  Richard Ibranyi, Diamond brothers,  and  David Landry.  
They all have a following of misguided souls that hinge on their every word. Each of these "teachers" have a slightly different twist on their false beliefs, and NONE of them would ever consult a priest before publishing their writings, as lay people are REQUIRED TO DO!
THIS IS NOT A CATHOLIC ATTITUDE!  The Catholic Church is based on authority, and altho reduced in numbers, legit authority is sill functioning in the form of priest and bishops who believe and adhere to ALL the truths the Church teaches.  They are the experts, not misquided lay people,  who have NO authority to teach in the name of the Church!
Many of the people I have met who have had the misfortune to follow these lay theologians (BTW, most have been counseled not to by priests and rejected the counsel) ended up dying "home aloners", without the last sacraments of the church, or a requiem mass .  They were put in the grave in a secular cemetary with prayers offered by a laymen  in their group.  
There is a large group of them in the Spokane/ CoeurdeAlene area of the pacific Northwest.  They inch toward death, their souls languishing for the Sacraments.  Some are former friends of mine that attended mass in years past.  To them, every one is in sin, the priests and bishops are not legit etc!  Actually they are in sin.   They sin against the Holy Ghost by believing that God has taken away all priests and authority in the church, and that THEY alone are Catholics.
My advice to you is quit posting your condemnations  on this forum.  God reserves judgement to Himself!

In the past, Matthew has not allowed people like you on the forum spouting heresies.  I think you have used this forum long enough!   :heretic:[/b]

Heitanen,
You are on a traditional Catholic forum!  I think most of us here are striving to live a good Catholic life!  What right do you have to call us heretics and tell us we are in mortal sin?

I don't call people sinners or heretics unless I have talked to them and they have admitted to their heresies or their mortal sins. You, for example, defends NFP, denies the dogma on the absolute necessity of water baptism, and you have yet to retract your erroneous statements which was wholly refuted. So, you are a mortal sinner and a heretic. This is something I know from talking to you.

A question. Do you believe that practising Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, etc, through no fault of their own, can be saved?

In my lifetime, I have met people like you.  Everything is a mortal sin (by their judgement and false misguided interpretations of Church teachings usually put forth by lay theologians who have NO mission  or authority from the Church to teach).  .  

Everything is not a mortal sin, and I have never said that. Some people go to far, indeed, but that is beyond the point.

But most people in truth, have always been mortal sinner, which is why few are saved. Most people do say that what is sinful is not sinful, and what is illicit is licit. If it weren't for the fact that people are sinful, God would not have abandoned us to this great apostasy or let the ungodly take this much control.

Many here acts as if sin does almost not even exist. Those who thinks like that are sadly deceiving themselves.


My position in todays situation, and about many things today that are sinful or not sinful, etc, is written in this article. Read it!

http://www.catholic-saints.net/spiritual/

If you just read it, you will see that most things is truly written. You won't hear these things from most of your priests, I assume.

Your guy in Sweden from the website link is one of the self appointed teachers... They all have a following of misguided souls that hinge on their every word. Each of these "teachers" have a slightly different twist on their false beliefs, and NONE of them would ever consult a priest before publishing their writings, as lay people are REQUIRED TO DO!  THIS IS NOT A CATHOLIC ATTITUDE!  

You seem to argue that we should rather follow heretical priests or bishops opinions before our own understanding, when we today have the capacity to study and learn the Catholic Faith?

If you want to be that stupid, that is up to you. I have already showed you the dogmas refuting baptism of desire, it is not hard to understand them, the problem is that you are not a Catholic, and therefore you you reject the dogmas and instead follows the opinions of heretical priests, bishops or societies.

Laypeople are required to consult the Church for publishing books, etc, in normal situations. But today, is this principle abrogated since almost no priests or bishops exists, and since we have no pope. It's just that simple, and only someone who is willingly blind would fail to see this.

The Catholic Church is based on authority, and altho reduced in numbers, legit authority is sill functioning in the form of priest and bishops who believe and adhere to ALL the truths the Church teaches.  They are the experts, not misquided lay people,  who have NO authority to teach in the name of the Church!  

Only real Catholics=non heretical people, have authority in the Church. You don't understand this, for you have no interest in studying and learning the Catholic Faith, even though you could do so.

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (#15), June 29, 1896: "it is absurd to imagine that he who is outside can command in the Church."

Therefore, it is most certain that a heretic cannot have any authority in the Catholic Church, or that he can licitly consecrate the Eucharist or give valid confession, because it is absurd to imagine that one who is outside the Church can command in the Church.

Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (# 22), June 29, 1943:"Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed."


You also affirm that every opinion from a priest or bishop is Church teaching. WRONG, not everything a Catholic priest says are Church teaching, but if he is a Catholic, then has it authority and should be followed unless it contradicts dogma.

But the priests and bishops you are referring here to is not Catholics, but heretics, and they are members of heretical societies and deny many dogmas. No wonder then that you are deceived, if you have as opinion that everything these heretics says or do is Church teaching and have authority - just because they call themselves by the name of "Catholic" and go by the name of priest... Since you have this opinion, no wonder you accept NFP, or that you deny the dogma on the absolute necessity of water baptism - for your society and priest does the same, doesn't they? What society do you belong to, Emerentiana?

So, since almost all priests and bishops today deny the salvation dogma, do you deny it as well? Tell me, do you deny the salvation dogma? Do you believe practicing Jews, Muslims, atheists, can be saved? ANSWER!

Many of the people I have met who have had the misfortune to follow these lay theologians (BTW, most have been counseled not to by priests and rejected the counsel) ended up dying "home aloners", without the last sacraments of the church, or a requiem mass .  They were put in the grave in a secular cemetary with prayers offered by a laymen  in their group.  

I know you can't understand this, but keeping the faith whole and inviolate is more important then receiving blasphemous, invalid and illicit sacraments. No heretic can licitly consecrate the Eucharist, but does so illicitly, and he sins mortally every time he confect the sacraments, because he is a heretic. Also everyone that knowingly and obstinately approach heretical priests for the sacraments, sins mortally. Heretical priests can neither give a valid confession, since they lack jurisdiction. Only Catholic priests have jurisdiction and can absolve. Heretics are not Catholics. So, you have invalid confession, and illicit Eucharist. So, what is there to go to mass for? Not for the sacraments, that's for sure!

St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Supp., Q. 38, Art. 2, Obj. 1: "The effect of absolution is nothing else but the forgiveness of sins which results from grace, and consequently a heretic cannot absolve, as neither can he confer grace in the sacraments."


So, what's important is to keep the Faith in this great apostasy, that is what matters. There have also been many instances when true Catholics couldn't go to mass when their country fell into schism or heresy. The Anglican schism is one example. But you just couldn't care, for the faith is not important for you - only an outward appearance of faith is what matters for you, a church building, a mass, a heretical priest, etc, all this do you care about - but the faith, which saves you, do you not care about! What stupidity!

TAKE IT FROM A SAINT. MAYBE YOU WILL LISTEN THEN;

St. John the Almsgiver, Patriarch of Alexandria, 7th Century AD: "Another thing the blessed man taught and insisted upon with all was never on any occasion whatsoever to associate with heretics and, above all, never to take the Holy Communion with them, 'even if', the blessed man said, 'you remain without communicating all your life, if through stress of circuмstances you cannot find a community of the catholic Church. For if, having legally married a wife in this world of the flesh, we are forbidden by God and by the laws to desert her and be united to another woman, even though we have to spend a long time separated from her in a distant country, and shall incur punishment if we violate our vows, how then shall we, who have been joined to God through the orthodox faith and the Catholic Church -- as the apostle says: 'I espoused you to one husband that I might present you as a pure virgin to Christ' (2 Cor. 11:2) -- how shall we escape from sharing in that punishment which in the world to come awaits heretics, if we defile the orthodox and holy faith by adulterous communion with heretics?"
"For 'communion', he said, 'has been so called because he who has 'communion' has things in common and agrees with those with whom he has 'communion'. Therefore I implore you earnestly, children, never to go near the oratories of the heretics in order to communicate there.'" - [Three Byzantine Saints, "The Life of Saint John the Almsgiver",Translators: Elizabeth Dawes & Norman H. Baynes, St. Vladimir's Seminary Press, Crestwood: 1977; p. 251]

There is a large group of them in the Spokane/ CoeurdeAlene area of the pacific Northwest.  They inch toward death, their souls languishing for the Sacraments.  Some are former friends of mine that attended mass in years past.  To them, every one is in sin, the priests and bishops are not legit etc!  Actually they are in sin.   They sin against the Holy Ghost by believing that God has taken away all priests and authority in the church, and that THEY alone are Catholics.
My advice to you is quit posting your condemnations  on this forum.  God reserves judgement to Himself!

Not all priests are heretics, there are some independent priests around the world who is not heretics, these priests and the faithful non-heretical laypeople are the Catholic Church. Heretics are not. Get this fact through your obstinate head now!

A similar situation have happened before, Emerentiana. If it was this bad during the Arian crisis as explained below, how bad will it be in the last great apostasy? Think about that.

“At one point in the Church’s history, only a few years before Gregory’s [nαzιanz] present preaching (+380 A.D.), perhaps the number of Catholic bishops in possession of sees, as opposed to Arian bishops in possession of sees, was no greater than something between 1% and 3% of the total.  Had doctrine been determined by popularity, today we should all be deniers of Christ and opponents of the Spirit.” (W.A. Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 2, p. 39.)

In the 4th century the Arian heresy became so widespread that the Arians (who denied the Divinity of Christ) came to occupy almost all the Catholic churches and appeared to be the legitimate hierarchy basically everywhere.

St. Ambrose (+382): “There are not enough hours in the day for me to recite even the names of all the various sects of heretics.” (The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 2, p. 158)

Things were so bad that St. Gregory nαzιanz felt compelled to say what the Catholic remnant today could very well say.

St. Gregory nαzιanz (+380): “Where are they who revile us for our poverty and pride themselves in their riches?  They who define the Church by numbers and scorn the little flock?” (“Against the Arians,” The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 2, p. 33)

This period of Church history, therefore, proves an important point for our time: If the Church's indefectible mission of teaching, governing and sanctifying required a governing (i.e., jurisdictional) bishop for the Church of Christ to be present and operative in a particular See or diocese, then one would have to say that the Church of Christ defected in all those territories where there was no governing Catholic bishop during the Arian heresy.  However, it is a fact that in the 4th century, where the faithful retained the true Catholic faith, even in those Sees where the Bishop defected to Arianism, the faithful Catholic remnant constituted the true Church of Christ; and therefore, in that remnant, the Catholic Church existed and endured in her mission to teach, govern and sanctify without a governing bishop.  This demonstrates that the Church of Christ's indefectibility and mission to teach, govern and sanctify does not require the presence of a jurisdictional bishop.

St. Athanasius: “Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition were reduced to a handful, they would be the true Church.”

1.- I can speak for Emerentiana on this one.

No you cannot, for you cannot answer many of the questions I was asking her, you are not her, and what she believe or thinks is not the same as you believe.

She does not believe that people who practice false religions can be saved. They would have to convert to Catholicism. In fact, I don't think anyone here believes that people can be saved while they are still involved in practicing false religions. And again, just because Bishop Fellay thinks that people of nearly all religions can be saved, doesn't mean the Society as a whole thinks so. Bishop Williamson doesn't seem to think that.

I think you should ask your priest if he agrees with you. You might be surprised. You should also ask the attendants at the Church you attend to, and what they believe. You will indeed be surprised. I hope I am wrong here, but sadly, I don't think I am.


You may also be surprised that your own founder disagrees with you.


Against the Heresies, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:[

1.      Page 216: “Evidently, certain distinctions must be made.  Souls can be saved in a religion other than the Catholic religion (Protestantism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.), but not by this religion.  There may be souls who, not knowing Our Lord, have by the grace of the good Lord, good interior dispositions, who submit to God...But some of these persons make an act of love which implicitly is equivalent to baptism of desire.  It is uniquely by this means that they are able to be saved.”

2.      Page 217: “One cannot say, then, that no one is saved in these religions…”

3.      Pages 217-218: “This is then what Pius IX said and what he condemned.  It is necessary to understand the formulation that was so often employed by the Fathers of the Church:  ‘Outside the Church there is no salvation.’  When we say that, it is incorrectly believed that we think that all the Protestants, all the Moslems, all the Buddhists, all those who do not publicly belong to the Catholic Church go to hell.  Now, I repeat, it is possible for someone to be saved in these religions, but they are saved by the Church, and so the formulation is true: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.  This must be preached.”

Bishop Lefebvre, Sermon at first Mass of a newly ordained priest (Geneva: 1976): “We are Catholics; we affirm our faith in the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ; we affirm our faith in the divinity of the Holy Catholic Church; we think that Jesus Christ is the sole way, the sole truth, the sole life, and that one cannot be saved outside Our Lord Jesus Christ and consequently outside His Mystical Spouse, the Holy Catholic Church.  No doubt, the graces of God are distributed outside the Catholic Church, but those who are saved, even outside the Catholic Church, are saved by the Catholic Church, by Our Lord Jesus Christ, even if they do not know it, even if they are unaware of it...”

Here Lefebvre denies the dogma word for word:

Bishop Lefebvre, Address given at Rennes, France: “If men are saved in Protestantism, Buddhism or Islam, they are saved by the Catholic Church, by the grace of Our Lord, by the prayers of those in the Church, by the blood of Our Lord as individuals, perhaps through the practice of their religion, perhaps of what they understand in their religion[/i], but not by their religion…”

Open Letter to Confused Catholics, by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre:

Pages 73: “Does this mean that no Protestant, no Muslim, no Buddhist or animist will be saved?  No, it would be a second error to think that.”

But I guess you will never admit that he is teaching heresy here.

2.- Many people here act as if almost nothing is a sin? That is absurd. You are making false accusations while at the same time failing to even realize that you have been overly-critical. It's God's place to judge souls, not yours. You're coming off as a narcicist. You can't admit to your own faults and act as if though it's your place to judge everyone and to condemn them.

No, I have talked with many of you. So I know how many of you act already.

I, and a few others on this thread, was the only people who condemned the mortally sinful practice of NFP. Thus, those who didn't condemn it, don't see it as sinful. What could be more sinful then NFP or against the natural law? If people can't see that NFP is sinful, then they are really bad off. But even some who was against NFP, didn't condemn people who practiced it. That is also sadly an infallible sign of damnation. To be silent, and refuse to condemn people who commit mortal sin, is likewise a mortal sin. Again, if we would encourage people to stop sinning, but don't do it, then we are guilty.

Pope Innocent IV, First Council of Lyons, AD 1245: "to be unwilling to disquiet evildoers is none other than to encourage them, and since he who fails to oppose a manifest crime is not without a touch of secret complicity

I also made a thread on sinful video games, many didn't care, one even encouraged the playing of sinful video games. Who opposed him, but me? Did you? No! You didn't say a word to him. If you would love him you would encourage him to stop playing these evil video games, and encourage him to stop play these evil video games.

I also spoke with many of you on the thread on 'Eating out on a Restaurant on Sunday'. I clearly proved to you that it is mortally sinful to unnecessarily break the sabbath or to be helping other people to unnecessarily break the sabbath, such as knowingly eating out on Sundays (which we have no necessity for doing) - but that still some do just because they feel to... But who cared about what I said? No one as I could see, since all opposed me.

Then we have the mortal sin of heresy to deny dogma. How many people here rejects dogma? Do you condemn people who reject a  dogma and who sadly are on their way to Hell? No! You don't say a word. If you loved them, you would encourage them to believe in the dogma, as I have encouraged you.

But for you, sadly,  you act as if mortal sin is not mortal sin - for if you really believed mortal sin was mortal sin, would you not encourage these people to stop with it? But you don't do it! And heresy, do you even believe in heresy? It sems not, for you say not a word to people who reject it. And neither have you cared to accept the dogmas I have proved to you to be true. If you believed that heresy heresy exists, then why do you deny the dogmas? To you, it seems, heresy is not heresy, mortal sin is not mortal sin - or perhaps, you might just believe, that you are safe anyway and saved, since you are good?

You are blind, pure and simple, and you will remain blind, until the day of your death, unless you wake up and convert.

3.- To you, about 95% of people in today's world are heretics. I'll admit that the actual number is high, unfortunetly, but it's not THAT high. God will decide who is saved and who is not, stop telling people where their soul will go. You aren't the judge.

I would say that more then 99% of people today living are condemned, me included. Few are saved, that's how it always have been, and you people are a fine example why that is true, but I guess you can't get it. The moment you die will you realize this truth though!

4.- Not only are you aggressive and overly-critical, but you clearly don't know how to treat a woman. You don't tell them to get something "through their obstinate head". It's especially wrong to act that way to a Traditional Catholic woman.

You say I cannot be harsh on a woman? Please, all heretics have the same bad will, and their faces are all the like, as Fourth Lateran Council affirms:

Fourth Lateran Council (1215): Canon 3, On Heresy: "We excommunicate and anathematize every heresy raising itself up against this holy, orthodox and Catholic Faith which we have expounded above. We condemn all heretics, whatever names they may go under. They have different faces indeed but their tails are tied together inasmuch as they are alike in their pride[/u]."

All heretics are condemned, all heretics are prideful, all heretics are the same, whether woman or man.

You are simply a blind man, that is why you are acting as if human respect is what matters. You don't care about the faith, but about pleasing men, you don't care about condemning sin and sinners, so that they may stop sin, but to please them and be nice to them. You are pathetic!

Most people here have every intention of pleasing God. Yet you're judging their intentions, saying that they don't want to please God. You are an extremist, Heitanen. You seem so certain that you will be saved and that nearly everyone else here will be condemned. Nobody here knows for sure where they will end up after this life, only God knows. You aren't God, stop trying to act like it. Again, please don't post here if you're going to keep this up. No one wants to read such nonsense.

If you don't like what I am writing, don't write to me.

And I don't judge peoples good intentions, I only judge and condemn clear cut heresies, sins and lies, and other things which should be corrected so that people can better themselves.

Now, most people here that I have talked with, can I with a certain fact say, have no intention of pleasing God whatsoever - you included - but rather to please other men.

If men would want to please God, then they would hate sin and hate heresy, and condemn sin and condemn heresy, and would help the sinners to convert. It's just that simple. But I haven't seen that here. I don't see people condemns obvious mortal sins or heresies, no. I rather see people, such as yourself, excusing people who commit mortal sins such as NFP! You are truly and amazingly, incredible blind. You have no clue...

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I honestly don't know how that could be annoying.  I'm asking a simple question trying to get a factual answer.

You asked the same question TWICE within a few hours' time -- and on a Saturday, which is often a busy day for people.  It is VERY likely that few people had even read the original question by the time you asked it again.  I told you I would get back to you and, before I had the chance to do so, you had already asked the same question again.  IMO, that is annoying.

It is not the question that is the problem; it is the repetition after only a short time.

As for the smart as comment about the Summa, my activity here is not more or less limited to threads about the Summa, is it?  When you fire, be sure to hit the mark.

Sorry

1.- Hietanen, I can speak for Emerentiana because I have seen enough of her posts to know what she believes.

2.- It appears that LeFebvre means the Catholic Church can save these people. It does not appear that he means these people can be saved if they remain in their own religions and don't repent.

3.- Actually you are quite wrong about the video game thread. When Jehanne said that there weren't any satanic references in Dante's Inferno, I corrected him (someone else laughed at my post, I corrected that person as well). Go back and read the thread. I didn't comment on the "Doom" video game for two reasons. For one thing I was still trying to prove that Dante's Inferno was a bad game, and I also do not know very much about Doom. I do not, however, encourage playing the game because it does seem sinful. On the thread aoubt eating out on Sundays, pretty much everyone agreed that doing unnecessary work on Sunday is breaking the Sabbath. However, it's not a sin to eat out on Sunday. Not unless you went to an immodest place like Hooters (though going there would be a sin no matter which day of the week it was). I have corrected people who deny Catholic dogma many times. You haven't posted frequently enough to see my posts. There was a person on here a while back (Classicom) who constantly rejected dogma about The Blessed Virgin Mary, and I corrected him. Don't make false accusations if you don't have enough evidence to back up your claim.

4.- Emerentiana isn't a heretic, and heretic or not it is innappropriate to act that way towards a woman. Anyway, like I said, you're an extremist. This forum is well aware of sin. There's plenty of sin out there, both venial and mortal. Blasphemy, stealing, adultery, cussing, using God's name in vein, lying, worshipping false gods, etc. And that's only to name a few. We are well aware of sin, we just don't go to the extreme like you do, condemning everyone and everything. I suggest you stop admiring your own "perfections" or whatever and don't spew nonsense here.