• The Dogmatic Council of Trent
"By which words, a description of the Justification of the impious is indicated,-as being a translation, from that state wherein man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace, and of the adoption of the sons of God, through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Saviour. And this translation, since the promulgation of the Gospel, cannot be effected, without the laver of regeneration, or the desire thereof, as it is written; unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God" Council of Trent, Sixth Session, Fourth Chapter, A description is introduced of the Justification of the impious, and of the Manner thereof under the law of grace.
• The 1917 Code of Canon Law
“Baptism, the door and foundation of the Sacraments, in fact or at least in desire necessary unto salvation for all, is not validly conferred except through the ablution of true and natural water with the prescribed form of words.” (Canon 737)
“Those who have died without baptism are not to be given ecclesiastical burial. Catechumens who die without baptism through no fault of their own are to be counted among the baptized.” (Canon 1239) 1917 Code of Canon Law
• Pope Pius X, Catechism of Christian Doctrine
"A person outside the Church by his own fault, and who dies without perfect contrition, will not be saved. But he who finds himself outside without fault of his own, and who lives a good life, can be saved by the love called charity, which unites unto God, and in a spiritual way also to the Church, that is, to the soul of the Church." Pope St. Pius X, Catechism of Christian Doctrine
• Catechism of Pope St. Pius X
"17 Q: Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
A: The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire." Catechism of Pope St. Pius X, The Sacraments - Baptism, Necessity of Baptism and Obligations of the Baptized
• Baltimore Catechism
Q.157 How many kinds of baptism are there?
A. There are three kinds of baptism: baptism of water, of desire, and of blood.
Q. 159 What is baptism of desrire?
A. Baptism of desire is an ardent wish to receive baptism, and to do all that God has ordained for our salvation.
Q. 160 What is baptism of blood?
A. Baptism of blood is the shedding of one’s blood for the faith of Christ.
Q.161 Is baptism of desire or blood sufficient to produce the effects of baptism of water?
A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive baptism of water.
• St. Thomas Aquinas, Suma Theologica
"The sacrament of Baptism is said to be necessary for salvation in so far as man cannot be saved without, at least, Baptism of desire; "which, with God, counts for the deed. (Augustine, Enarr. in Ps. 57)" St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Whether a man can be saved without Baptism?
• St. Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church reinforces the same teachings of the Council of Trent that Dimond tries to undermine.
“Baptism, therefore, coming from the Greek word that means ablution or immersion in water, is distinguished into Baptism of water [“fluminis”], of desire [“flaminis” = wind] and of blood.
We shall speak below of Baptism of water, which was very probably instituted before the Passion of Christ the Lord, when Christ was baptised by John. But Baptism of Desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things, accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true Baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called “of wind” [“flaminis”] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost who is called a wind [“flamen”]. Now it is de fide that men are also saved by Baptism of Desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, de presbytero non baptizato and of the Council of Trent, Session VI, Chapter 4, where it is said that no one can be saved “without the laver of regeneration or the desire or it”.
Baptism of Blood is the shedding of one’s blood, i.e. death, suffered for the Faith or for some other Christian virtue. Now this baptism is comparable to true Baptism because, like true Baptism, it remits both guilt and punishment as it were ex opera operato. I say as it were because martyrdom does not act by as strict a causality [non ita stricte] as the sacraments, but by a certain privilege on account of its resemblance to the passion of Christ. Hence martyrdom avails also for infants seeing that the Church venerates the Holy Innocents as true martyrs. This is why Suarez rightly teaches that the opposing view [i.e. the view that infants are not able to benefit from Baptism of Blood – translator] is at least temerarious. In adults, however, acceptance of martyrdom is required, at least habitually from a supernatural motive,” (Moral Theology, Bk. 6, nn.95-7.)
• Pope Pius IX, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore
"Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments." Encyclical On Promotion of False Doctrines (Quanto Conficiamur Moerore) by Pope Pius IX, 1863
• Moral Theology, Fr Heribert Jone
No. 470 “Baptism of water is necessary for the attainment of salvation as an indispensable means for reaching that end. Only in exceptional cases can the Baptism of desire or of blood take its place.”
• Dr. Ludwig Ott in his Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma
“In case of emergency, Baptism by water can be replaced by Baptism of Desire or Baptism of Blood.” (p.356)
• Denzinger Sources of Catholic Dogma
1. Baptism of Desire (an unbaptized priest) *
388 [From the letter "Apostolicam Sedem" to the Bishop of Cremona, of uncertain time]
To your inquiry we respond thus: We assert without hesitation (on the authority of the holy Fathers Augustine and Ambrose) that the priest whom you indicated (in your letter) had died without the water of baptism, because he persevered in the faith of holy mother the Church and in the confession of the name of Christ, was freed from original sin and attained the joy of the heavenly fatherland. Read (brother) in the eighth book of Augustine's "City of God" * where among other things it is written, "Baptism is ministered invisibly to one whom not contempt of religion but death excludes." Read again the book also of the blessed Ambrose concerning the death of Valentinian * where he says the same thing. Therefore, to questions concerning the dead, you should hold the opinions of the learned Fathers' and in your church you should join in prayers and you should have sacrifices offered to God for the priest mentioned.
CELESTINE II 1143-1144 Lucius II 1144-1145
2. The Minister of Baptism and the Baptism of Spirit*
[From the letter "Debitum pastoralis officii" to Berthold,
the Bishop of Metz, August 28, 1206]
413 - You have, to be sure, intimated that a certain Jєω, when at the point of death, since he lived only among Jєωs, immersed himself in water while saying: "I baptize myself in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen."
We respond that, since there should be a distinction between the one baptizing and the one baptized, as is clearly gathered from the words of the Lord, when he says to the Apostles: "Go baptize all nations in the name etc." [cf. Matt. 28:19], the Jєω mentioned must be baptized again by another, that it may be shown that he who is baptized is one person, and he who baptizes another. . . . If, however, such a one had died immediately, he would have rushed to his heavenly home without delay because of the faith of the sacrament, although not because of the sacrament of faith.
• St. Cyril of Jerusalem
“If a person has not been baptised he cannot be saved, always excepting martyrs, who receive the Kingdom without water. Our Saviour who redeemed the world through the Cross, sent forth blood and water from his pierced side; so that in time of peace men might be saved by water, and in time of persecution by their own blood.”
• St. Ambrose
St. Ambrose said regarding the Emperor Valentinian, who died as a catechumen before St. Ambrose could baptise him, “Will he not then receive the grace which he desired and obtain what he asked for? Did he not court unpopularity on the very day before his death, by putting Christ before men on the question of the pagan temples? If he had the spirit of Christ, did he not receive the Grace of Christ? If the martyrs are cleansed in their blood, then so is he in his good will and piety.”
• St. Cyprian
According to St. Cyprian, the catechumens who suffer martyrdom receive “the glorious and most sublime blood-Baptism”
• St. Emerentiana the catechumen Martyr.
This innocent virgin was baptised in her own blood through martyrdom as a catechumen and she is infallibly listed among the Saints of Heaven. Canonisation is infallible and the Roman Breviary in which she is listed is regarded without error since it is part of the promulgated Liturgy of the Church.
• St. Alban the catechumen Martyr.
St. Alban was martyred after he had studied about the Christian Faith and after he had renounced paganism but before he had the chance to be Baptised with water. The account is given by St. Bede who is not only a canonised Saint but a Doctor of the Church meaning his account and writings have been subjected to double scrutiny by the Church.
Is not canonisation infallible and does it not mean the person is in Heaven and how could this be so if the person was not baptised?
Through their erroneous deceitful teachings, Dimond and his cronies, have rejected the infallible pronunciations of the Church and condemned these Saints to Hell as they were not baptised with water.
So in conclusion we can see that Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood are true Catholic doctrine taught by The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, The Catechism of St. Pius X, The Baltimore Catechism, The 1917 Code of Canon Law, Pius IX, Doctors of the Church including St. Alphonsus Liguori, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Ambrose, St. John Chrysostom, St. Bede, St. Catherine of Siena, Saint Augustine, Saints including St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Cyprian, St. Gregory of nαzιanzen, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, also the fact that we have Catechumen Saints, and many other Dogmatic writings all point to the truth of Baptism of desire and of blood.
One can’t help but notice the rashness in Peter Dimond’s labelling of all those who disagree with him in some way as heretics. That would mean that the above list all taught heresies. Could this be so? Or could Dimond be the heretic himself?
When one pictures Peter Dimond, one cannot help but see some self appointed bloviating “prophet” of doom :geezer:with a mild to serious case of Tourettes syndrome bursting forth with the “heretic, heretic” cry at irregular intervals. :cussing:
He could be seen in Traditional circles as the boy who cried wolf only he is the man who cried heretic and by the time he finds the discernment to see the real heretic it may be too late.
Now I ask, who is Peter Dimond to question Dogmatic teachings, Doctors and Saints as if he were some authority?
I will leave it to the honest truth seeking reader as to who they put their Faith in. Do we trust the teachings of Holy Saints who we know without a doubt are with Our Lord in Heaven or do we trust a fallible pitiable and deceitful man who disregards with such ease, the Doctors and Saints.
It is clear by his writings that he has as much regard for the Doctors and Saints as Martin Luther had for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
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