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Offline Merry

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"...baptizing them"
« on: June 16, 2019, 01:15:49 PM »
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  • In today's Gospel for Trinity Sunday, Our Lord says:

    "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
     [Matthew 28:19]

    In Latin:  "Euntes ergo docete omnes gentes: baptizentes eos in nominee Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti." 

    Our Lord is using the verbiage, the tense, which commands the Apostles to baptize "them," "others" - to do the baptizing TO them, TO "the nations."  

    How can that mean the same, and have the same effect, as "desire baptism" or "desiring to receive baptism"?  How can baptism of desire be the same as Our Lord here ordering the Apostles to themselves do the act of baptizing others?  

    And we know He meant with water as elsewhere He said so:  "Unless a man be born again of WATER..."?  ("Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."  [John 3:5])  

    This all seemed clear at the Gospel this morning.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: "...baptizing them"
    « Reply #1 on: June 17, 2019, 12:24:27 AM »
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         There lurks a hidden destroyer who desireth dry Baptisms.
                             
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi