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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Writings of Holzhauser
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2023, 06:09:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 12, 2023, 03:44:09 PM
    No, there are many pre-V2 books who summarize the Church Fathers' predictions on the end of the world/Apocalypse.  One book I read summarized their agreement into 3 buckets:

    1.  All Church Fathers agree = infallible.
    2.  Most Church Fathers agree; those who didn't disagreed on minor details = close to infallible.
    3.  Many agree.

    If you simply take the first 2 buckets (i.e. 100% will happen and 90% probable) and start listing events, you get a timeline which VERY closely matches up with many (but not all) of the saint/mystic prophecies that Yves Dupont put in his little, purple book "The Coming Chastisement".

    If you add the 3rd bucket (i.e. the might happen, might not), the timeline becomes EXTREMELY detailed (especially since our times are so close to such events) and you can see how the Good Lord is going to clean up all this mess and restore the Church.  This is the whole reason why God gives us prophecy in the first place...for hope and spiritual peace.

    As for people who spend all their time "refuting" this or that prophecy...
    1.  They obviously haven't read the Church Fathers
    2.  They "refute" and offer no alternative prediction.
    3.  God does not send prophecies to be ignored.  Most have stood the test of time because they came from saints.

    From what I've read, this claim about the "Church Fathers" either being behind the so-called "Great Monarch" or the Three Days of Darkness" is a morass of dubious, and outright false, attributions to a few Fathers.

    As you note, your option 1 requires "all Church Fathers agree." Your option 2 requires "most." Your option 3 requires "many." As I said, the claim of Fathers subscribing to either view is at most a few, and even then, the attributions are dubious or false.

    So, go ahead and present the "evidence" that either theory is supported by even a credible claim, capable of being sourced to an original writing, of any of the Fathers - putting aside for now the requirement of either "all," or "most," or "many" of the Fathers for this to be binding or even in any degree persuasive.  Quote the Fathers.

    Below is a link of a guy who believes in both the Great Monarch and the 3 Days of Darkness. You will note a few references to Fathers, the vast majority of which have questions marks next to the claims, and some there's even a recognition that the claims are not even worthy of belief - read the comments on each one. Some of the "claims" will quote a Father believing the Antichrist coming before Christ's advent, and then assuming - since it is said that the Great Monarch comes before the Antichrist - the Father believed in the Great Monarch (see St. Irenaeus and St. Ephraim).

    https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_17.html

    :facepalm:

    It's that ridiculous.

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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #31 on: June 12, 2023, 06:15:06 PM »
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    • (As I was posting this I see that DR already questioned the claim about the Fathers...)


    Pax, do you have quotes from those Church Fathers you can share? 

    I can't seem to find them by searching around online.

    This is what is reported by Wikipedia but I know they aren't necessarily accurate:


    Last Roman Emperor, also called Last World Emperor or Emperor of the Last Days, is a figure of medieval European legend, which developed as an aspect of Christian eschatology. The legend predicts that in the end times, a last emperor would appear on earth to reestablish the Roman Empire and assume his function as biblical katechon who stalls the coming of the Antichrist. The legend first appears in the 7th-century apocalyptic text known as the Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius; that and the oracles of the Tiburtine Sibyl are its two most important sources. It developed over the centuries, becoming particularly prominent in the 15th century. The notion of Great Catholic Monarch is related to it.

    Last Roman Emperor, also called Last World Emperor or Emperor of the Last Days, is a figure of medieval European legend, which developed as an aspect of Christian eschatology. The legend predicts that in the end times, a last emperor would appear on earth to reestablish the Roman Empire and assume his function as biblical katechon who stalls the coming of the Antichrist. The legend first appears in the 7th-century apocalyptic text known as the Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius; that and the oracles of the Tiburtine Sibyl are its two most important sources. It developed over the centuries, becoming particularly prominent in the 15th century. The notion of Great Catholic Monarch is related to it.
    Foundations[edit]
    See also: Christian eschatology
    The legend is based on the Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius, which was, after the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation, "the most widespread apocalypse story in Europe".[1] The work proposes a Last Emperor who will fight against religious enemies, most notably the then-recent spread of Islam during the Early Muslim conquests:[2] he will "go forth against them [the enemies of the faith] from the Ethiopian sea and will send the sword and desolation into Ethribus their homeland, capturing their women and children living in the Land of Promise".[3] After conquering his enemies he would travel to Jerusalem and relinquish his power on the Mount of Olives.[2] The Last Emperor was further developed in the writings of Adso of Montier-en-Der, whose Libellus de Antichristo (ca. 954) was a popular biography of the Antichrist, whose coming was preceded by the rise of a Frankish ruler (the continuation of the Roman Empire); this Last Emperor would voluntarily give up his power and die, after which the Antichrist comes to power.[3] Another important impetus came from the oracles of the Tiburtine Sibyl, first recorded in Latin around the year 1000; its legend proved particularly adaptable to rulers all over Europe, containing as it did a list of emperors and kings leading up to the Last Emperor which could be revised or added to as political and dynastic circuмstances required.[2] It still had great currency in the fifteenth century.[4]
    Catholic tradition[edit]

    The concept of the Great King features prominently in mystical and folk traditions, as well as writings of people thought to have been granted gifts of prophecy or special visitations by messengers from heaven (such as angels, saints, or Christ). The Great Catholic Monarch was very popular in folklore until the 18th century Enlightenment. He reappeared in 19th century prophecy when French legitimists believed that Henri, Count of Chambord, would be the new king.

    Marie-Julie Jahenny (1850–1941), also known as the "Breton" stigmatist, prophesied that Henry V, the Count of Chambord, was the chosen King. Despite his death, one of her predictions dated 1890 declares he is yet "reserved for the great epochs", i.e. the end of time.[5]

    An 1871 book, Future Career of Napoleon, advocated Napoleon III's reign as Roman Emperor over a 'new ten-kingdomed Roman Empire'.[6]

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church speaks only of Christ as the king who is to be manifested in "the last days".[7] It speaks of this manifestation as associated by his recognition by "all Israel"[8] and preceded by the Church's ultimate trial, "a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh".[9] It makes no mention of the coming of any Great Catholic Monarch, whether French or German or of any continent.

    The French writer and Traditionalist Catholic Yves Dupont has opined that the Great Monarch will have a restorationist character and that he will restore European Catholic royalty, destroy the power of heretics and atheists, and successfully convert many Muslims and Jєωs to the Faith.[10]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Roman_Emperor



    Regarding Dupont's scholarship:

    Quotes Nostradamus who was influenced by demonic entities so he should in no way be used as a source:

    Since people are reluctant to watch the video I've made some screenshots for everyone:



    He quotes many other prophecies which don't meet the criteria established by Pope Benedict XIV.








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    3.  God does not send prophecies to be ignored.  Most have stood the test of time because they came from saints.

    Here is a pope and a saint/doctor of the Church who both warn us otherwise.


    At this time it shows the book Heroic Virtue by Pope Benedict IV
    https://youtu.be/QkbKwWyDyZg?t=2079






    and:










    From St John of the Cross:

    Although visions and locutions which come from God are true, we may be deceived about them. This is proved by quotations from Divine Scripture.

    FOR two reasons we have said that, although visions and locutions which come from God are true, and in themselves are always certain, they are not always so with respect to ourselves. One reason is the defective way in which we understand them; and the other, the variety of their causes. In the first place, it is clear that they are not always as they seem, nor do they turn out as they appear to our manner of thinking. The reason for this is that, since God is vast and boundless, He is wont, in His prophecies, locutions and revelations, to employ ways, concepts and methods of seeing things which differ greatly from such purpose and method as can normally be understood by ourselves; and these are the truer and the more certain the less they seem so to us. This we constantly see in the Scriptures. To many of the ancients many prophecies and locutions of God came not to pass as they expected, because they understood them after their own manner, in the wrong way, and quite literally. This will be clearly seen in these passages.

    ...

    In this and other ways, the words and visions of God may be true and sure and yet we may be deceived by them, through being unable to interpret them in a high and important sense, which is the sense and purpose wherein God intends them. And thus the best and surest course is to train souls in prudence so that they flee from these supernatural things, by accustoming them, as we have said, to purity of spirit in dark faith, which is the means of union.

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/privaterevelation/visions.htm


    And of course Our Lord Jesus warned us!



    Does His prophecy count?



    The video shows that a lot of the details of the Three Days of Darkness prophecies sound more like an alien invasion.

    It also shows that there are Muslim prophecies of a Great King coming.

    Now if I were the Antichrist, and I wanted to set up my kingdom and

    deceive the elect

    I would seed false prophecies about a Great Monarch with both Muslims and Catholics.

    This Great Monarch will arrive after the Great Apostasy (Vatican II)

    and after WWIII

    and after the Three Days of Darkness scares the heck out of everybody (which they have the technology to do now)

    and throw in a false apparition of Mary with some Bluebeam tech in the sky and a fake "miracle of the sun" like they've been doing in Medjugorje

    and join the whole world together as ONE.

    Yep.  That would do it alright.

    Oh, and I'd send out a famous exorcist (Fr Ripperger) to tell the elect that the demons are saying we have to get through the rough times coming and then there will be an era of peace because we can always trust prophecies from demons.  ;)





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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #32 on: June 12, 2023, 06:28:07 PM »
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    • "The legend predicts that in the end times, a last emperor would appear on earth to reestablish the Roman Empire and assume his function as biblical katechon who stalls the coming of the Antichrist."


    The biblical katechon is the papacy.

    The papacy was holding back the Antichrist until the Great Apostasy (Vatican II).


    Vigano and his demonic Crowlyan cohort Dugin are saying that Moscow is the katechon. 

    Dugin has a blogsite named "Katechon".

    Vigano is saying we have to look to Moscow because the Catholic Church has lost its faith.

    The Catholic Church is the indefectible One Holy and Catholic Apostolic Church and can

    never "lose its faith".

    It is still here and it is still indefectible

    only without a pope.



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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #33 on: June 12, 2023, 06:46:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 07, 2023, 09:05:30 PM
    I know we are all looking for stuff that makes us feel better, but

    I'm open to whatever God decides and won't be putting him into a box according to individual interpretations of private revelation,

    so I'm wondering how this fits with Sacred Scripture and Traditional Catholic teaching?










    Fitzpatrick Informer
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    "I may be reaching here, but if you substitute the New Pope/Great Monarch in the Fatima timeline with an anti-Christ, the Church would be set up for a massive deception (likely preceded by a false liberation)."


    The Fatima (private revelation) "prophetic" timeline seems more consistent with #1. Therefore, it appears to be premillennialist, if anything. If correct, this would make the Fatima timeline inconsistent with Roman Catholic amillennialist teaching.



    See full thread:
    https://twitter.com/FitzInfo/status/1624651661690957825
    I'm inclined towards amillennialism. Postmillennialism doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how we can have another apostasy after a great comeback. The life of the Church reflects the life of Christ so unless the resurrection reflects as the postmillenniam... Though I think we are nearing the crucifixion stage of the Church.
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #34 on: June 13, 2023, 09:34:55 AM »
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    • Some quotes from the Church Fathers (and other saints) which support the coming Great Monarch and the return of the Holy Roman Empire.  Then the fall of the Roman Empire, and the rise of the anti-christ.  [my comments in blue]


    St Methodius (4th cent) speaking of the a coming Great and Holy King

    "A day will come when the enemies of Christ [freemasons] will boast of having conquered the whole world.  They will say, "Christians cannot escape now!"  But a great King will arise to fight the enemies of God.  He will defeat them, and peace will be given to the world, and the Church will be freed from Her anxieties."

    ---

    St Remigius (5th cent), Bishop of France who baptized King Clovis and 3,000 followers into the Faith in 496 AD.

    "Take notice that the Kingdom of France is predestined by God for the defense of the Roman Church which is the only true Church of Christ.  This kingdom shall someday be great among the kingdoms of the earth, and shall embrace all the limits of the Roman Empire, and shall submit all other kingdoms to its own scepter."

    [France has never held this much territory under its power.  It has never embraced all the limits of the Roman Empire.  If this prophecy is true, it is yet to come.]

    ---

    St Caesar of Arles, France (6th cent), Father of the Church, according to Jurgen's "Faith of the Early Fathers".  Presided over the 2nd Council of Orange in 529 AD against Pelagianism.

    "When the entire world, and in a special way France - especially the provinces of the north, the east, and above all that of Lorraine and Champagne - shall have been laid waste by the greatest miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be comforted by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the crown of the lilies.  This prince shall extend his dominion over the total universe. 

    At the same time, by the will of God, a most holy man shall receive the Papacy, who will be most perfect in every spiritual perfection.  This Pope will have with him the great Monarch, the most virtuous man, who shall be an eminent leader of the holy line of French Kings.  This great Monarch shall assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth.  Many nations and their princes that are living in error and impiety shall be converted and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentence, penance and good works.  There will be one common law, only one faith, one baptism, one religion.

    All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope.  But after an extended period of time, fervor will cool, inquity will abound and moral corruption shall become worse than ever before, which shall bring upon mankind the last and worst persecution of anti-christ and the end of the world."

    ---

    St Epheaem (5th cent): 

    "Then the Lord from his glorious heaven shall set up His peace.  And the kingdom of the Romans [Roman Empire] shall rise in place of this latter people, and establish its dominion upon the earth, even to its ends, and there shall be no one who will resist it. 

    After iniquity shall have multiplied, and all creatures have become defiled, then Divine Justice shall appear, and shall wholly destroy the people, and coming forth from perdition, the man of iniquity [anti-christ] shall be revealed upon the earth, the Seducer of men, and the distruber of the whole earth."

    ---

    St Catald(us)  (7th cent): 

    "The Great King will wage war till he is 40 years of age.  He will assemble great armies and hurl back the tyrants out of his empire."

    ---

    Rabanus Maurus  (9th cent), the most thorough chronicler of both prophecy and Oral Tradition in Western Europe.  He was abbot of the famous Benedictine Monastery in Fulda.  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "His fame as a teacher spread all over Europe.  He was the most learned man of his age.  In scripture and patristic knowledge, he had no equal and was thoroughly conversant in canon law and liturgy."

    "Our principle Doctors [teachers of the Faith] agree in telling us, that towards the end of time one of the descendents of the kings of France shall reign over all the Roman Empire; and that he shall be the greatest of the French Monarchs and the last of his race.  After having governed well his kingdom, he shall go to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown at Mt Olivet.  This shall be the conclusion of the Roman and Christian Empire."

    ---

    St Anslem  (11th cent), Doctor of the Church 

    "Certian Doctors [esteemed teachers of the Faith] truly say, that one of the kings of the Frankish Empire shall possess it in its entirety, which King shall live in the last time and shall be the greatest and last of kings.  Who after he shall have happily governed his Kingdom, shall come to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown on Mt Olivet.  He shall be the last and consummate Emperor of the Roman and Christian Empire.

    And immediately thereupon [after he lays down his scepter/crown], according to the sentence of Paul, they [esteemed teachers of the Faith] say antichrist will come."

    ---

    St Thomas a'Becket (12th cent)

    "A knight shall come from the West.  He shall capture Milan, Lombardy and the three Crowns [Italy].  He shall then sail to Cyprus and Famagoste and land at Jaffa [the oldest part of Tel Aviv, Israel], and reach Christ's grave, where he will fight.  Wars and wonders shall befall until the people believe in Christ toward the end of the world."

    ---

    St Hildegard (12th cent)

    ...There are so many prophecies from St Hildegard that you can look them up yourself.


    William D'Otrante (13th cent), an abbot of a monastery in Southern Italy

    "The Great Monarch and the great pope will preceed anti-christ.  The nations will be at war for 4 years and a great part of the world will be destroyed.  The pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of Redemption on his forehead.  The Great Monarch will come to restore peace and the Pope will share the victory.  Peace will reign on earth."

    ---

    John of Vatiguerro (13th cent)

    "Spoilation, pillaging and devastation of that most famous city which is the capital and mistress of France [Paris] will take place when the Church and the world are grievously troubled.  The Pope will change his residence and the Church will not be defended for 25 months or more, because during all that time, there will be no Pope in Rome, no emperor and no ruler in France.  But, after this, a young captive Prince shall recover the Crown of the Lilies and shall extend his dominion all over the world."

    ---

    St Vicent Ferrer (14th cent), known as the "Angel of Judgement" spoken of in the Apocalypse.

    "Armies from the East, West and North will fight together in Italy and the Eagle [Great Monarch] shall capture the false king, and all things shall be made obedient unto him, and there shall be a new reformation in the world."

    ---


    Concerning the Fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ...


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    St Cyril of Jerusalem (4th cent):  Speaking of the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ

    "Since the true Christ is to come a second time, the adversary makes use of the expectation of the simple, and especially of those of the circuмcision [the joos]; and he brings in a certain man who is a magician, and who is quite expert in sorceries and enchantments of beguiling craftiness.  This one shall seize the power of the Roman Empire, and shall falsely style himself Christ.  By the name of Christ he shall deceive the joos, who are expecting the Annointed and he shall seduce the gentiles by his magical illusions.

    This aforementioned anti-christ is to come when the times of the Roman Empire have been fulfilled and the end of the world is drawing near.  There shall rise up together ten kings of the Romans, reigning in different parts, perhaps, but all reigning at the same time.  After these there shall be an eleventh, the anti-christ, who by the evil power of magic [false miracles] shall seize upon the Roman Power.  Of the kings who reigned before him, 3 shall be humble and the remaining 7 he shall have as subjects under him [see book of Daniel].  He shall desplay against all men and especially against Christians, a spirit that is murderous and most cruel, merciless and wily.  For three years and six months only shall he be the perpetrator of such things.

    Now these things we teach not of our own ingenuity...that this kingdom is that of the Romans has been the tradition of the Church's interpreters..."

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    St John Chrysostom (4th cent): 

    "In the same way as those kingdoms which existed before the Roman Empire were destroyed (the Babylonian by the Persian, the Persian by the Greek, the Greek by the Roman), so will the Roman Empire be destroyed by anti-christ.  This will happen when the Roman Empire shall have been divided into 10 kingdoms [after the Holy Monarch dies]."

    ---

    St Jerome (4th cent)...in his commentary on the Book of Daniel:

    "Therefore, let us state what all the Ecclesiastical writers [omnes scriptores ecclesiastici] have passed down [tradiderunt]: At the consummation of the world, when the Kingdom of the Romans has been destroyed, when ten kings shall have divided the territory of the Romans between themselves, an eleventh shall rise to a small kingdom, who when he shall have overcome three of the ten kings, i.e. the kingdom of the Egyptians, of the Africans and of the Ethiopians and consequently as we learn more manifestly - whom he shall have killed, the other seven kings shall submit their necks to the victor [the eleventh king].

    Who is the eleventh king?  St Jerome explains:

    "Nor do we think him to be the Devil or a demon, as some others do, but one of mankind in whom satan shall dwell totally...his mouth uttering great boasts, for he is the man of sin, the son of perdition, such that he will seat himself in the Temple as if he were God.  [Here Jerome is directly quoting from St Paul's description of the anti-christ in 2nd Thessalonians, 2:15]

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    There are many, many, many more where this came from.
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #35 on: June 13, 2023, 09:42:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 13, 2023, 09:34:55 AM
    Some quotes from the Church Fathers (and other saints) which support the coming Great Monarch and the return of the Holy Roman Empire.  Then the fall of the Roman Empire, and the rise of the anti-christ.  [my comments in blue]


    St Methodius (4th cent) speaking of the a coming Great and Holy King

    "A day will come when the enemies of Christ [freemasons] will boast of having conquered the whole world.  They will say, "Christians cannot escape now!"  But a great King will arise to fight the enemies of God.  He will defeat them, and peace will be given to the world, and the Church will be freed from Her anxieties."

    ---

    St Remigius (5th cent), Bishop of France who baptized King Clovis and 3,000 followers into the Faith in 496 AD.

    "Take notice that the Kingdom of France is predestined by God for the defense of the Roman Church which is the only true Church of Christ.  This kingdom shall someday be great among the kingdoms of the earth, and shall embrace all the limits of the Roman Empire, and shall submit all other kingdoms to its own scepter."

    [France has never held this much territory under its power.  It has never embraced all the limits of the Roman Empire.  If this prophecy is true, it is yet to come.]

    ---

    St Caesar of Arles, France (6th cent), Father of the Church, according to Jurgen's "Faith of the Early Fathers".  Presided over the 2nd Council of Orange in 529 AD against Pelagianism.

    "When the entire world, and in a special way France - especially the provinces of the north, the east, and above all that of Lorraine and Champagne - shall have been laid waste by the greatest miseries and trials, then the provinces shall be comforted by a prince who had been exiled in his youth, and who shall recover the crown of the lilies.  This prince shall extend his dominion over the total universe.

    At the same time, by the will of God, a most holy man shall receive the Papacy, who will be most perfect in every spiritual perfection.  This Pope will have with him the great Monarch, the most virtuous man, who shall be an eminent leader of the holy line of French Kings.  This great Monarch shall assist the Pope in the reformation of the whole earth.  Many nations and their princes that are living in error and impiety shall be converted and an admirable peace shall reign among men during many years, because the wrath of God shall be appeased through their repentence, penance and good works.  There will be one common law, only one faith, one baptism, one religion.

    All nations shall recognize the Holy See of Rome, and shall pay homage to the Pope.  But after an extended period of time, fervor will cool, inquity will abound and moral corruption shall become worse than ever before, which shall bring upon mankind the last and worst persecution of anti-christ and the end of the world."

    ---

    St Epheaem (5th cent):

    "Then the Lord from his glorious heaven shall set up His peace.  And the kingdom of the Romans [Roman Empire] shall rise in place of this latter people, and establish its dominion upon the earth, even to its ends, and there shall be no one who will resist it.

    After iniquity shall have multiplied, and all creatures have become defiled, then Divine Justice shall appear, and shall wholly destroy the people, and coming forth from perdition, the man of iniquity [anti-christ] shall be revealed upon the earth, the Seducer of men, and the distruber of the whole earth."

    ---

    St Catald(us)  (7th cent):

    "The Great King will wage war till he is 40 years of age.  He will assemble great armies and hurl back the tyrants out of his empire."

    ---

    Rabanus Maurus  (9th cent), the most thorough chronicler of both prophecy and Oral Tradition in Western Europe.  He was abbot of the famous Benedictine Monastery in Fulda.  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, "His fame as a teacher spread all over Europe.  He was the most learned man of his age.  In scripture and patristic knowledge, he had no equal and was thoroughly conversant in canon law and liturgy."

    "Our principle Doctors [teachers of the Faith] agree in telling us, that towards the end of time one of the descendents of the kings of France shall reign over all the Roman Empire; and that he shall be the greatest of the French Monarchs and the last of his race.  After having governed well his kingdom, he shall go to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown at Mt Olivet.  This shall be the conclusion of the Roman and Christian Empire."

    ---

    St Anslem  (11th cent), Doctor of the Church

    "Certian Doctors [esteemed teachers of the Faith] truly say, that one of the kings of the Frankish Empire shall possess it in its entirety, which King shall live in the last time and shall be the greatest and last of kings.  Who after he shall have happily governed his Kingdom, shall come to Jerusalem and lay down his scepter and crown on Mt Olivet.  He shall be the last and consummate Emperor of the Roman and Christian Empire.

    And immediately thereupon [after he lays down his scepter/crown], according to the sentence of Paul, they [esteemed teachers of the Faith] say antichrist will come."

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    St Thomas a'Becket (12th cent)

    "A knight shall come from the West.  He shall capture Milan, Lombardy and the three Crowns [Italy].  He shall then sail to Cyprus and Famagoste and land at Jaffa [the oldest part of Tel Aviv, Israel], and reach Christ's grave, where he will fight.  Wars and wonders shall befall until the people believe in Christ toward the end of the world."

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    St Hildegard (12th cent)

    ...There are so many prophecies from St Hildegard that you can look them up yourself.


    William D'Otrante (13th cent), an abbot of a monastery in Southern Italy

    "The Great Monarch and the great pope will preceed anti-christ.  The nations will be at war for 4 years and a great part of the world will be destroyed.  The pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of Redemption on his forehead.  The Great Monarch will come to restore peace and the Pope will share the victory.  Peace will reign on earth."

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    John of Vatiguerro (13th cent)

    "Spoilation, pillaging and devastation of that most famous city which is the capital and mistress of France [Paris] will take place when the Church and the world are grievously troubled.  The Pope will change his residence and the Church will not be defended for 25 months or more, because during all that time, there will be no Pope in Rome, no emperor and no ruler in France.  But, after this, a young captive Prince shall recover the Crown of the Lilies and shall extend his dominion all over the world."

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    St Vicent Ferrer (14th cent), known as the "Angel of Judgement" spoken of in the Apocalypse.

    "Armies from the East, West and North will fight together in Italy and the Eagle [Great Monarch] shall capture the false king, and all things shall be made obedient unto him, and there shall be a new reformation in the world."

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    Concerning the Fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ...


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    St Cyril of Jerusalem (4th cent):  Speaking of the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of the anti-christ

    "Since the true Christ is to come a second time, the adversary makes use of the expectation of the simple, and especially of those of the circuмcision [the joos]; and he brings in a certain man who is a magician, and who is quite expert in sorceries and enchantments of beguiling craftiness.  This one shall seize the power of the Roman Empire, and shall falsely style himself Christ.  By the name of Christ he shall deceive the joos, who are expecting the Annointed and he shall seduce the gentiles by his magical illusions.

    This aforementioned anti-christ is to come when the times of the Roman Empire have been fulfilled and the end of the world is drawing near.  There shall rise up together ten kings of the Romans, reigning in different parts, perhaps, but all reigning at the same time.  After these there shall be an eleventh, the anti-christ, who by the evil power of magic [false miracles] shall seize upon the Roman Power.  Of the kings who reigned before him, 3 shall be humble and the remaining 7 he shall have as subjects under him [see book of Daniel].  He shall desplay against all men and especially against Christians, a spirit that is murderous and most cruel, merciless and wily.  For three years and six months only shall he be the perpetrator of such things.

    Now these things we teach not of our own ingenuity...that this kingdom is that of the Romans has been the tradition of the Church's interpreters..."

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    St John Chrysostom (4th cent):

    "In the same way as those kingdoms which existed before the Roman Empire were destroyed (the Babylonian by the Persian, the Persian by the Greek, the Greek by the Roman), so will the Roman Empire be destroyed by anti-christ.  This will happen when the Roman Empire shall have been divided into 10 kingdoms [after the Holy Monarch dies]."

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    St Jerome (4th cent)...in his commentary on the Book of Daniel:

    "Therefore, let us state what all the Ecclesiastical writers [omnes scriptores ecclesiastici] have passed down [tradiderunt]: At the consummation of the world, when the Kingdom of the Romans has been destroyed, when ten kings shall have divided the territory of the Romans between themselves, an eleventh shall rise to a small kingdom, who when he shall have overcome three of the ten kings, i.e. the kingdom of the Egyptians, of the Africans and of the Ethiopians and consequently as we learn more manifestly - whom he shall have killed, the other seven kings shall submit their necks to the victor [the eleventh king].

    Who is the eleventh king?  St Jerome explains:

    "Nor do we think him to be the Devil or a demon, as some others do, but one of mankind in whom satan shall dwell totally...his mouth uttering great boasts, for he is the man of sin, the son of perdition, such that he will seat himself in the Temple as if he were God.  [Here Jerome is directly quoting from St Paul's description of the anti-christ in 2nd Thessalonians, 2:15]

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    There are many, many, many more where this came from.

    As it stands, this is just hot air without any attribution. 

    Where are these quotes coming from? There is no link to a source. 
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    As it stands, this is just hot air without any attribution. 

    Where are these quotes coming from? There is no link to a source. 
    Wow.  Are you even Catholic?  You're insane.
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #37 on: June 13, 2023, 09:46:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 13, 2023, 09:45:18 AM
    Wow.  Are you even Catholic?  You're insane.

    That's not a source, but evasive nonsense.

    Where's the link?
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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    « Reply #38 on: June 13, 2023, 09:48:40 AM »
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    • Go 'fact check' yourself.  Go read catholic books on prophecy.  Google this stuff.  These quotes have been around for centuries.
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 13, 2023, 09:48:40 AM
    Go 'fact check' yourself.  Go read catholic books on prophecy.  Google this stuff.  These quotes have been around for centuries.

    Right. You can't back it up.

    It's hogwash, wives' tales, "Jєωιѕн (Catholic) fables." I thought so. And you just repeat it because "so and so said," who got it from "so and so who said" . . .


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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 13, 2023, 09:48:40 AM
    Go 'fact check' yourself.  Go read catholic books on prophecy.  Google this stuff.  These quotes have been around for centuries.

    You obviously got the quotes from somewhere. You won't even share that?
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    • If I give you a website, you'll challenge it's authenticity.  If I give you a book, you'll do the same.  You and Miser are serial-doubters.  No proof is good enough.
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 13, 2023, 10:08:36 AM
    If I give you a website, you'll challenge it's authenticity.  If I give you a book, you'll do the same.  You and Miser are serial-doubters.  No proof is good enough.
    :laugh1::laugh2::jester:

    Ah . . . I ain't seen any proof. 
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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    « Reply #43 on: June 13, 2023, 10:12:39 AM »
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    • A quote from a saint isn't proof?  Go search the saint and see how many different sites have this quote?  That's your proof.  Especially if it's from a pre-V2 book with an imprimatur. 

    Do the work.  It seems you want everything handed to you on a silver platter.
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 13, 2023, 10:08:36 AM
    If I give you a website, you'll challenge it's authenticity.  If I give you a book, you'll do the same.  You and Miser are serial-doubters.  No proof is good enough.

    That's what "trying the spirits" is - testing claimed authenticity against the authentic.

    It's no wonder that V2 and the Conciliar religion was bought by so many. 
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.
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