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Re: Writings of Holzhauser
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2023, 01:28:32 PM »
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    • RODOLPHUS GEKNER: Some time after the Pope shall be no more.

    I wonder if they will actually try to abolish the papacy at their synod on synodality. 

    I wish they would. Then it would be clearer, at least to a few more. 
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #16 on: June 11, 2023, 02:15:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Simeon on June 08, 2023, 10:35:28 AM
    Thank you, Miser, for reading my soul. Do I owe you anything? :laugh1:

    Are you suggesting I throw in with some alt news idiot, and leave an upstanding and thinking priest of the past, whose writings have been investigated by the Church, behind?

    Come now. Instead of reading twit-er, why don't you crack some Catholic sources?


    Hmm...I'm not sure what you mean by "reading your soul"??:confused:

    Perhaps you misunderstood, but I might not have worded the post very well.

    I wasn't making a comment about your position but rather stated mine which is undecided on the matter.

    I wasn't intending to challenge you or your point of view but to make an inquiry on the matter.

    It's not a matter of comparing some guy on Twitter vs Holzhauser,

    it's comparing the Amilienilaist teaching of the Catholic Church

    vs Holzhauser et others including Fatima who seem to have a different timeline.

    How can that be reconciled?

    Often people have an attitude that one shall not question private revelation but I prefer to look at all sides and not assume I know the meaning.

    This is following the guidance of Doctor of the Church St John of the Cross which can be read in a short docuмent here:

    On the Danger of Visions
    By St. John of the Cross
    Taken from The Ascent of Mount Carmel, Chapter 19.
    Although visions and locutions which come from God are true, we may be deceived about them. This is proved by quotations from Divine Scripture.
    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/privaterevelation/visions.htm





    I think it's worth considering that Sacred Scripture says we may be fooled by an "era of peace"

    "For when they shall say, peace and security; then shall sudden destruction come upon them, as the pains upon her that is with child, and they shall not escape." 1Thess 5:3




    With regards to the timeline discrepancy, I'm only starting to investigate this.  I was hoping somebody could clarify how the timelines can be reconciled.


    The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches have long held amillennial positions, as has the Roman Catholic Church, which generally embraces an Augustinian eschatology and which has deemed that premillennialism "cannot safely be taught."[17]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism#:~:text=The%20Eastern%20and%20Oriental%20Orthodox,denominations%20such%20as%20the%20Lutheran%2C
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #17 on: June 11, 2023, 03:48:28 PM »
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #18 on: June 11, 2023, 05:15:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2023, 02:15:09 PM

    Hmm...I'm not sure what you mean by "reading your soul"??:confused:

    Perhaps you misunderstood, but I might not have worded the post very well.

    I wasn't making a comment about your position but rather stated mine which is undecided on the matter.

    I wasn't intending to challenge you or your point of view but to make an inquiry on the matter.

    You mentioned something about "people" looking up prophecies to make themselves feel better. 

    In fact, I simply asked for reading material; and precisely because I am thinking deeply about Sr. Wilhelmina, and want to consider her case in light of certain well known Catholic prophecies. 

    I have not stated a position. I started the thread in order to see if folk could supply me with mental fodder.  

    But do feel free to use this thread to post your point of view on Catholic prophecy. It is a public thoroughfare, is it not?
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #19 on: June 11, 2023, 05:25:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Simeon on June 11, 2023, 05:15:02 PM
    You mentioned something about "people" looking up prophecies to make themselves feel better.

    In fact, I simply asked for reading material; and precisely because I am thinking deeply about Sr. Wilhelmina, and want to consider her case in light of certain well known Catholic prophecies.

    I have not stated a position. I started the thread in order to see if folk could supply me with mental fodder. 

    But do feel free to use this thread to post your point of view on Catholic prophecy. It is a public thoroughfare, is it not?


    People often do use false prophecies (not you necessarily), such as Divine Mercy and Medjugorje etc. to make themselves feel better and these end times prophecies are no different.

    My point of view is that we should look at the evidence and not spread the false prophecies discussed in this thread.

    If somebody shows evidence they are not false prophecies I'd love to see it and will gladly change my mind.

    I also asked a question about the timeline which I'd like to understand better.

    I just want to know the truth and don't want to be deceived because Sacred Scripture warned us:

    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #20 on: June 11, 2023, 05:36:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2023, 05:25:00 PM

    People often do use false prophecies (not you necessarily), such as Divine Mercy and Medjugorje etc. to make themselves feel better and these end times prophecies are no different.

    My point of view is that we should look at the evidence and not spread false prophecies.

    If somebody shows evidence they are not false prophecies I'd love to see it and will gladly change my mind.

    I also asked a question about the timeline which I'd like to understand better.

    I just want to know the truth and don't want to be deceived because Sacred Scripture warned us:

    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Would you qualify yourself as a person providing reliable evidence on the question of false prophecies? 

    I'm mostly familiar with you posting youtube videos and twitter threads. On the evidentiary spectrum, such sources fall into the amoeba category. 

    Have you provided theological or learned materials for people to consider? Perhaps materials written before the false council and with imprimaturs? Can you post some of that kind of evidence in this thread? 

    Obviously if you are outing bad actors of the present time, you will have to rely on current sources. There you must be a detective; and internet foraging skills a must. 

    But the prophecies most often considered by Catholics are old, and have been examined by the pre-conciliar Church. Catholics are free to consider them for any number of reasons, of which "making themselves feel good" is less often the case than you may believe. 
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #21 on: June 11, 2023, 05:50:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Simeon on June 11, 2023, 05:36:16 PM
    Would you qualify yourself as a person providing reliable evidence on the question of false prophecies?

    I'm mostly familiar with you posting youtube videos and twitter threads. On the evidentiary spectrum, such sources fall into the amoeba category.

    Have you provided theological or learned materials for people to consider? Perhaps materials written before the false council and with imprimaturs? Can you post some of that kind of evidence in this thread?

    Obviously if you are outing bad actors of the present time, you will have to rely on current sources. There you must be a detective; and internet foraging skills a must.

    But the prophecies most often considered by Catholics are old, and have been examined by the pre-conciliar Church. Catholics are free to consider them for any number of reasons, of which "making themselves feel good" is less often the case than you may believe.


    Well, if you take a look at the video you will see the following sources:

    Pope Benedict IV Heroic Virtue Vollume 3
    Edward Healy Thompson's book on Blessed Anna Maria Taigi
    Yves Dupont, the coming Chastisement
    Pseudo Methodias

    and about a dozen other First Source docuмents.

    When a reference doesn't check out he researched further to find the original source.

    He shows the quotes from the books and reads them like a well made docuмentary.

    It's hardly the scholarship of an amoeba.

    Don't you want to know the truth?

    I do.

    Why attack the people telling the truth?

    We should all be getting mad at the people spreading lies and false prophecies, not at the truth tellers calling out the wolves,

    and we should do our best to put an end to lies being spread..


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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #22 on: June 11, 2023, 06:35:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2023, 05:50:15 PM

    Well, if you take a look at the video you will see the following sources:

    Pope Benedict IV Heroic Virtue Vollume 3
    Edward Healy Thompson's book on Blessed Anna Maria Taigi
    Yves Dupont, the coming Chastisement
    Pseudo Methodias
    Miser, I'm always open to new information, but the video's main point against Blessed Anna Maria Taigi was that she said the beeswax candles had to be 100% beeswax. How can we beleive this person when nowhere does he explain when the Church supposedly began to allow 51% beeswax. Nor does he cite any Church prohibition of writing holy words on a tiny piece of paper and ingesting it.In regard to the sources cited, none of themsay anything at all about Blessed Anna Maria Taigi.

    Pope Benedict IV who wrote  Heroic Virtue Vollume 3 lived in the 8th to 9th Century.

    Edward Healy Thompson's book on Blessed Anna Maria Taigi was completely suportive of her.

    Yves Dupont, who wrote the coming Chastisement said nothing about her.

    Pseudo Methodias's book was written in the 7th Century.


    So my question is why the animosity toward her and the other Blesseds who speak of the Three Days Darkness?
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #23 on: June 11, 2023, 08:11:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on June 11, 2023, 06:35:44 PM
    Miser, I'm always open to new information, but the video's main point against Blessed Anna Maria Taigi was that she said the beeswax candles had to be 100% beeswax. How can we beleive this person when nowhere does he explain when the Church supposedly began to allow 51% beeswax. Nor does he cite any Church prohibition of writing holy words on a tiny piece of paper and ingesting it.In regard to the sources cited, none of themsay anything at all about Blessed Anna Maria Taigi.

    Pope Benedict IV who wrote  Heroic Virtue Vollume 3 lived in the 8th to 9th Century.

    Edward Healy Thompson's book on Blessed Anna Maria Taigi was completely suportive of her.

    Yves Dupont, who wrote the coming Chastisement said nothing about her.

    Pseudo Methodias's book was written in the 7th Century.


    So my question is why the animosity toward her and the other Blesseds who speak of the Three Days Darkness?
    Thanks for responding by addressing the evidence, Cera.  This is the kind of discussion I have been trying to promote so that we can examine the evidence closely and get to the bottom of it.

    I have no animosity towards any Blessed or Saint unless asking questions about disputed prophecies that may be falsely attributed to them is animosity.  Is it a sin to ask questions when there is contradictory evidence?

    Asking questions and closely examining evidence to determine if lies about precious Blesseds and Saints which are being spread does not show animosity towards these Holy ones.  No.  It is an act of charity towards them.  I'm sure they would not want lies spread about themselves!  Would you want lies spread about you after you die?

    If I post information about the problems with the Divine Mercy apparitions is that showing animosity towards the great Saint Faustina?  No.  It shows I care about the truth.  Shouldn't everyone?

    We live in a time of great deception.  Most trads I know do not dispute that the Concilliar Church paraded a fake Sr Lucy around and published a fake third secret and performed fake consecrations of Russia.  Yet they get all in a huff if you ask questions about Fatima, its timeline, and other end times prophecies that have very questionable elements.  Why? :confused:

    Anyway, the video is 2 hours and 40 minutes long and there are many, many examples of discrepancies about these prophecies. 

    In fact, it is so full of evidence and sources it takes watching it a few times to take it all in.

    His main point regarding the 3 Days is not about the beeswax candles.  I'm not sure how you would think that if you watched the video??:confused:

    At this timestamp he explains how the oldest book about her prophecies is from 1873, 36 years after her death. 

    https://youtu.be/QkbKwWyDyZg?t=484

    This video, which I have posted at CI before, also shows how the prophecy about the Three Days and attribution to AMT was not docuмented until many years after her death as well:



    At this timestamp the video discusses the need for deeper research regarding prophecies attributed to her which are all from second hand sources:
    https://youtu.be/QkbKwWyDyZg?t=460




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    Yves Dupont, who wrote the coming Chastisement said nothing about her.

    The video shows at this timestamp (57:11) that Dupont does actually discuss AMT and explains that the Great Monarch doesn't make sense

    because he is going to convert the world after the Three Days of Darkness

    wipes out all the non-Catholics.

    Who will he convert?

    https://youtu.be/QkbKwWyDyZg?t=3431



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    Pope Benedict IV who wrote  Heroic Virtue Vollume 3 lived in the 8th to 9th Century.
    Yes, that's true.  He wrote about how to determine if a prophecy is accurate.  The video uses his writings as criteria for evaluating these prophecies.

    Did you watch the video?


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    Pseudo Methodias's book was written in the 7th Century.
    Yes, it was probably the original source for the Great Monarch story but that written docuмent is known as PSEUDO for a reason.  It's explained here:


    https://youtu.be/QkbKwWyDyZg?t=3487



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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #24 on: June 11, 2023, 08:41:10 PM »
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    • The guy who runs the channel which has a playlist of videos debunking Three Days of Darkness makes this claim:


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    In any case. It wasn't approved by the pre Conciliar Church, so it must be ignored.




    Is this true?


    At this timestamp he goes into evidence from Newspapers showing how two Bishops in 1872 refuted the Three Days prophecy being attributed to AMT:


    https://youtu.be/6cD13JC25Xc?list=PLB9wsq--mkdMZy7lapuLUI0F6qwbUrRVO&t=335






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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #25 on: June 12, 2023, 08:48:58 AM »
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    • Miser, when you "examine" these prophecies, your approach has many flaws, which is why your posts get attacked.
    1.  You post things from anti-Trad, and partially-anti-catholic sources.  Why would anyone trust these people to find truth?
    2.  You post "rebuttals" to 1 or 2 prophecies, meanwhile you ignore the 10-20+ OTHER prophecies (from different time periods) which all agree on the message.
    3.  You don't realize that many prophecies concerning the "3 Days" and the Holy King are mentioned by the Church Fathers going back to the 200s.
    4.  Such prophecies were widely accepted in pre-V2 days...or at least not questioned.

    You need to pray more, to find the truth.  The "sources" you are using are wrong and a waste of time.  Our Lady will answer your questions if you are patient.
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #26 on: June 12, 2023, 01:30:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 12, 2023, 08:48:58 AM
    Miser, when you "examine" these prophecies, your approach has many flaws, which is why your posts get attacked.



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    1.  You post things from anti-Trad, and partially-anti-catholic sources.  Why would anyone trust these people to find truth?


    The producer of this 2 hour and 40 minute video is a Traditional Catholic (Sede)



    The producer of this playlist of videos attends the SSPX and is great proponent of the spirituality of St John of the Cross.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9wsq--mkdMZy7lapuLUI0F6qwbUrRVO


    They are Traditional Catholics who love the Church and clearly love the saints and want the lies about them to stop.  They have done an amazing amount of exhaustive research!



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    2.  You post "rebuttals" to 1 or 2 prophecies, meanwhile you ignore the 10-20+ OTHER prophecies (from different time periods) which all agree on the message.

    The almost 3 hour video goes into the history of the prophecies and their spurious origins.  Did you watch the video?  Can you provide counter evidence to his claims?  I'm open to learning more about it from you and would really like to know the truth.

    I think it would give more credit to the true prophecies if you would sort out which ones are credible and which ones are false but it doesn't seem like you are willing to consider that

    any of them might be false.

    Also, as St John of the Cross warned, there are many ways of discerning prophecies and we may be deceived by them even if they are 100% true.  Why are you certain you can discern them when he warned us we shouldn't be?           




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    3.  You don't realize that many prophecies concerning the "3 Days" and the Holy King are mentioned by the Church Fathers going back to the 200s.
    The video shows they go back to the book The Apocalypse of Pseudo Methodius and claims it is not a reliable source.  Can you refute his claim?



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    4.  Such prophecies were widely accepted in pre-V2 days...or at least not questioned.

    Not true.  As I posted above this video shows proof that Bishops were speaking out against the Three Days being attributed to Anna Maria Taigi:






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    You need to pray more, to find the truth.  The "sources" you are using are wrong and a waste of time.  Our Lady will answer your questions if you are patient.


    Well, you are right about that.  I do need to pray more.  We all do. We are in a time of great deception. I am asking Our Lady to show me the truth.

    I'm also asking people on this forum to help with discerning the evidence but they would have to actually look at it first. :)

    Blessed Anna Maria Taigi, pray for us!  Help us to find the truth.  Help us to put an end to the lies.

    Come Holy Ghost, be our guide!


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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #27 on: June 12, 2023, 01:41:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 11, 2023, 08:11:54 PM
      No.  It shows I care about the truth.  Shouldn't everyone?

    We live in a time of great deception.  Most trads I know do not dispute that the Concilliar Church paraded a fake Sr Lucy around and published a fake third secret and performed fake consecrations of Russia.  Yet they get all in a huff if you ask questions about Fatima, its timeline, and other end times prophecies that have very questionable elements.  Why? :confused:


    https://youtu.be/QkbKwWyDyZg?t=3487

    It does appear to me that you care very much about the truth, Miser. Very much so. Thank you. 

    As to the "why?" I take that as mostly rhetorical. It's like the MAGA crowd and the anti-Trump crowd. If the "conspiracy" or spin breaks their way and supports their cause, they accept it, and it doesn't so much matter about evidence. Likewise, it's dismissed if it doesn't break their way, without consideration of the evidence. 

    Ultimately, we know that everyone that is of the truth hears His voice. John 18:37.

    Keep plugging away, Miser. God bless. 
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #28 on: June 12, 2023, 03:44:09 PM »
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    The video shows they go back to the book The Apocalypse of Pseudo Methodius and claims it is not a reliable source.
    No, there are many pre-V2 books who summarize the Church Fathers' predictions on the end of the world/Apocalypse.  One book I read summarized their agreement into 3 buckets:

    1.  All Church Fathers agree = infallible.
    2.  Most Church Fathers agree; those who didn't disagreed on minor details = close to infallible.
    3.  Many agree.

    If you simply take the first 2 buckets (i.e. 100% will happen and 90% probable) and start listing events, you get a timeline which VERY closely matches up with many (but not all) of the saint/mystic prophecies that Yves Dupont put in his little, purple book "The Coming Chastisement".

    If you add the 3rd bucket (i.e. the might happen, might not), the timeline becomes EXTREMELY detailed (especially since our times are so close to such events) and you can see how the Good Lord is going to clean up all this mess and restore the Church.  This is the whole reason why God gives us prophecy in the first place...for hope and spiritual peace.

    As for people who spend all their time "refuting" this or that prophecy...
    1.  They obviously haven't read the Church Fathers
    2.  They "refute" and offer no alternative prediction.
    3.  God does not send prophecies to be ignored.  Most have stood the test of time because they came from saints.
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    Re: Writings of Holzhauser
    « Reply #29 on: June 12, 2023, 03:49:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on June 12, 2023, 01:41:00 PM
    It does appear to me that you care very much about the truth, Miser. Very much so. Thank you.

    As to the "why?" I take that as mostly rhetorical. It's like the MAGA crowd and the anti-Trump crowd. If the "conspiracy" or spin breaks their way and supports their cause, they accept it, and it doesn't so much matter about evidence. Likewise, it's dismissed if it doesn't break their way, without consideration of the evidence.

    Ultimately, we know that everyone that is of the truth hears His voice. John 18:37.

    Keep plugging away, Miser. God bless.
    Thanks DR.  That's very kind of you!
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