Spent hours reading up to pg 50 of other thread on Malachi Martin. It's okay: I'm learning (listening to MM/Sean Hannity on YouTube as I type now, the pros/cons of MM, etc).

I got and flipped through the first 20 or so pages of Windswept House, and of course I was pretty thrilled at first to have my thoughts about John XXIII being supported! But a few things were freaking me out, and I wasn't getting much about Paul VI or Bugnini for my efforts, so I put the book down and decided to poke around here.

First, I got the book rec. from another forum, where a really awesome priest from pre-V2 days messaged me a few thoughts. He pointed me to other books, esp The Plot Against the Church; Father said he had worked for a prelate back in those days (he must be really up in the years), and he could attest to some things here and there. Anyway, I asked about Windswept House, and this priest said SOME of MM's book wasn't off-base, but he recommended other books. Still, I'd already bought Windswept, and a few nights ago, I started reading it.

First, I got spooked with the little girl and her dog. I still don't know if she's being raped or what; I'm skipping whole paragraphs right now in case it's all fiction, and instead trying to pick up on the "anti-Mass" parts. But honestly, it sounded SO LAME. Has anyone else felt that way: that the "evil priests" were too stupid to come up with some weird ceremony like that? I guess I think they worshiped themselves more than any supernatural being (ie, they were unbelievers), and simply believed that humanity could rule itself. (Satan's great lie, I know, but I don't think these types of "priests" believe Satan animates them).

Maybe the smarter ones believe in God, and believe humans can outwit God with science, but in my experience with "bad guy" priests and bishops (not much, but more than I cared for), they wouldn't know or respect the Mass enough to reverse it. They're ...pompous.

Here's how I envision "RCC Satanists": "Yo Mike, go consecrate something quick and let's get back to our boy orgy, mm'kay! Great, later toots!" Mike goes through some new mess motions with obvious boredom, hating every minute of it because he believes it's just superstitious ignorance that earns him profit and power without question. Later, maybe Mike and his boyfriend, Cardinal HornyPants, get word from Sister Feminαzι that some newb priest who actually believes the ancient faith is kicking up a firestorm, so Mike and Hornypants make some calls to some bishop they have some dirt on, and say, "Hey get rid of Fr. Righteous; we heard his parish had an ATTACHED ALTAR and that doesn't make our non-Catholic friends happy." (The 'Catholic clergy' would never understand WHY the Jєωs and Muslims would have a problem with trad faith; they're too self-involved to care.)

That's how I see these faithless invalid "priests" and clergy. But MM seems to be saying these 1960s Satanists actually wanted to overthrow +Jesus so they could install some Darth Vader-figure for reasons I can't discern.

Obv, what the V2 Fathers did to the Mass has to be a sin against the Holy Spirit, so maybe the V2 authors really did have to be devil worshipers instead of dumb conciliarists who threw the baby out with the bathwater.

Were the 1960s V2 fathers really Satanists, or just stupid?

Finally, besides the girl and the devil-worshiping, another issue I have is MM saying the 3rd Secret was just "consecrate Russia by name or else." Maybe it's possible, but I've read so much about "evil in the higher echelons" being part of the 3rd Secret that it seems like a BIG MISS on MM's part. Oh, also, where's Bugnini in Windswept House? (I got to 1978, and I think Bugnini was dead or dying around Tehran exile/hostage crises time, so I'm not expecting Paul VI or Bugnini to show up in this book now.) Did MM go over Bugnini in another book, or did he just not find Bugnini as spiritually vacant as I do?

Is Windswept worth reading, noting that I really don't like reading about child or animal torture and weird ceremonies. If it's plausible for real, I'd like to read it, but so far it seems far-fetched.

When you are finished with that, try "The Black Awakening"by Dizdar.  Your novel, which has truth, this one spells it out about mind control/ demons and how these mind control chosen one kill and commit ѕυιcιdє.  It explains the "Black Masses".  Super Soldiers/demons.

Yes, wow: I've just been stuck on this book, along with the Who's Who from traditio.com, and looking up these now-dead dudes. I haven't gotten very far, 3 more pages, due to the research, but I see MM puts in some still faithful characters alongside the Satan-spawn.

(I really should go back and read what happened to Agnes, but I half-fear I'd forget that vengeance is the Lord's.)

But before I go further, while MM hasn't yet SAID Paul VI was a willing participant, I'm getting an impression that MM is tip-toeing all around the obvious. —or is it possible that someone mind-controlled Paul VI, or that Paul VI was really a retard? (Nah, he dressed too well to be a retard.) —I can't figure Paul VI out; I try, and know Ven. Pius XII didn't seem too fond of Montini, but Montini went from bottom to Pope within a few years of Pius XII's passing. Paul VI also seemed to have a love affair with Bugnini (well, rhetorical love affair ...although Paul VI was accused of having a gαy lover once) (EWW!)

But nobody writes clearly about Paul VI and Bugnini. It was so far before my time I can't imagine how all this went down, except I know my g-ma was questioning everything well before Paul VI's "I'm the devil" statement. (Oops: I mean his "smoke of satan" statement). Before my time. And my parents wouldn't let g-ma talk about Church matters, but she left her estate to the SSPX. G-ma was serious about this stuff. (I wish I would have asked her more before she passed.)

I've also spent time looking up more on MM himself; he seems legit from what I've read, but it's the hearing (YouTube) that really makes him seem forthright. Anyone know what MM thought of BXVI? (Ratzinger)?

I'm actually about to start Windswept House.  I read Vatican first, because I thought it would give me a more comprehensive view of the narrative.  Vatican deals quite a lot with Paul VI, calling him Papa DaBrescia.  Bugnini he calls Sugnini.  I don't gather that MM was a fan of BXVI.  The few times that he mentioned him in interviews, it was to point out the job that he wasn't doing.  Of course, he didn't know that he would become pope, and he probably would have talked more about him if he had the benefit of future knowledge.

Oh man, I picked up the wrong order of the books then!

I've semi-skipped the intro (black mass) of Windswept, but one character from that time period is figuring into JPI and JPII, Cardinal Villot's protege, Cardinal Casaroli:



(I can't get the pic smaller; sorry)

He looks like the walking dead! Srsly: like John XXIII standing up and walking around St. Peter's! But anyway, this Casaroli card has some POVs about (dead in Windswept) Villot's "big plan" — I can sort of tell I missed a book (The Vatican; thanks for filling me in!)

But I got sidetracked looking up these dudes, which didn't do a lot of good. I found the "Paul VI imposter" pictures and cօռspιʀαcιҽs (the site is Ch 11 of 'The Broken Cross'; could be protestant afaik since the author just explains many Paul VI theories). MM makes Casaroli out to be the protege who wasn't prepared for the genius of JP2, but it's early; MM might go in a different direction yet.

(That the Nat. Cat. Distorter really played up Casaroli as a saint a few years back makes me think he could definitely be a bad guy, though.)

I'm only up to pg 45 still (making lots of notes in the margins), but one thing I'm a little cautious of is what appears to be some JP2-love. I have a hard time with some of JP2's actions, which MM appears to be trying to explain away as some brilliant plot to counter the Satanists. (I think JP2 was a legit claimant to St. Peter's Chair, but drop-kicked the ball). I guess the idea of JP2 counter-striking the Satanists is pretty cool, but I can't see any "glory" in a Pope "giving up" on restoring the traditional Church, if in fact JP2 yearned for the trad Church but knew it was "lost".

Again, only on pg 45; maybe MM isn't really a huge JP2 supporter. (As for Paul VI, I have a working theory that he was bipolar. Seriously bipolar. The ups and downs, the changed statements, the smoke of Satan vs manic episodes... but who knows, maybe he was poisoned. Look at what they did to the remains of Ven. Pope Pius XII! I could see it. —but if Montini wasn't crazy and knew he was poisoned, he should have fallen on the sword to offend God less. Jmho.)

I'm into Windswept. Hope these weren't spoilers for you. (Most people seem to know all this stuff, but the names are new to me.)

My husband read WindSwept House, The Final Conclave.  Some books are ok for me to follow but these were not for me.  My husband read the books to me at night. And the books kept his interest and he could follow the drama and the connections of the evil.  Wind Swept House picks up after you are mid way through and the shocking parts come.  You will hit in Wind Swept House, the part where Moscow and the Church shake hands.  It is the Church giving themselves over to the devil.  "You have no choice,so Russia says to the Church."  but we know that infil"traitors were there for a long time and the time was ripe to have the Church taken over.

My Grandmother was known to say at VatII,  "there goes the Church!"  It did not strike hard with her daughter, my mom.  Yet, my grandmother was well advised by what was coming down the tubes.  We had a Precious Blood Priest in the family.  He kept the family well informed from 1907 - 1944.  

Matthew 24 and Chapter 12 of Daniel go hand-n-hand.  The Precious Blood, the continual sacrifice will come to an end.  Tribulation to take place and we will be tried.  We are in remnant.  We are getting smaller and smaller.

I do believe that Malichi Martin knew of the 3rd secret.  He stated one time that the last apparition that Sr. Lucia saw of 1927(?) was a part of the 3rd secret.  The vision was in a chapel where Sr. Lucia was in adoration to the Blessed Sacrament.  She saw the     crucifix with the full trinity and Our Lady at the right hand of Christ standing at his crucifixion.  The words on the left side of the cross; mercies, graces (?)  I thought there  were 3 words but anyway, you have the picture.

MM was an exorcist, if I am correct.  He knew the devils and evils.  
Thank God for his books to enlighten us.  

I wish I knew what my grandmother knew. But as long as we pray for our loved ones, that is all that matters.  They pray for us too which is such a comfort.