Author Topic: What we have lost Video (Read 7389 times)

Belloc · « **on:** August 05, 2009, 02:38:41 PM »

Found it on Youtube and copied/burned it......waht do you all feel about this movie (I think it was put out by Cartres group and/or J.Sharpe) :reporter:

radtrad · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2009, 09:56:38 PM »

to it on google video.

Robert

Belloc · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:42:42 AM »

Quote from: Uriel

Nice video...well done. Need to copy this link and mass email it to as many Churches as possibe.

Would love to make some copies, hand them out....some not ready to watch, some are.....one lady told me not to give her copy, it would just lead to anger........anger should lead to action, but some may just stew....... :really-mad2:

some actually get mad when confronted w/truth "well, docuмents of V2 dont say ___, so you are nutes" types :argue:

Vladimir · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2009, 01:26:31 PM »

It was a good series. I watched it a few months ago. I cried when they showed the high altar being used as a block for the parking lot.

radtrad · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2009, 01:50:01 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Uriel
Nice video...well done. Need to copy this link and mass email it to as many Churches as possibe.

Would love to make some copies, hand them out....some not ready to watch, some are.....one lady told me not to give her copy, it would just lead to anger........anger should lead to action, but some may just stew....... :really-mad2:

some actually get mad when confronted w/truth "well, docuмents of V2 dont say ___, so you are nutes" types :argue:

Or how about buying the DVD and support the producers of it!

Robert

Belloc · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2009, 02:28:13 PM »

Quote from: radtrad

Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Uriel
Nice video...well done. Need to copy this link and mass email it to as many Churches as possibe.

Would love to make some copies, hand them out....some not ready to watch, some are.....one lady told me not to give her copy, it would just lead to anger........anger should lead to action, but some may just stew....... :really-mad2:

some actually get mad when confronted w/truth "well, docuмents of V2 dont say ___, so you are nutes" types :argue:

Or how about buying the DVD and support the producers of it!

Robert

Do not have the money to buy that many copies....youtube version is not as good quality, but.....beleive me, always try to support people like that, but my Federal Reserve notes go but so far.......

Belloc · « **Reply #6 on:** August 06, 2009, 02:30:56 PM »

Quote from: radtrad

Quote from: Belloc
Quote from: Uriel
Nice video...well done. Need to copy this link and mass email it to as many Churches as possibe.

Would love to make some copies, hand them out....some not ready to watch, some are.....one lady told me not to give her copy, it would just lead to anger........anger should lead to action, but some may just stew....... :really-mad2:

some actually get mad when confronted w/truth "well, docuмents of V2 dont say ___, so you are nutes" types :argue:

Or how about buying the DVD and support the producers of it!

Robert

may get Vennari's one world religion tape though...

Arborman · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2009, 08:33:25 AM »

Thanks for sharing that video. It is very well done and thought provoking. I would like to express my thoughts.

When they show the abuses of the NO Mass, they show clown Masses, and other scandalous abuses of the Mass. I do not believe those abuses are the norm. I have just come out of the NO 8 months ago, and it was done reverently and with faith. However, the Mass itself is deficient with no offertory, changed words of consecration, standing for communion and communion in the hand and the priestesses distributing Jesus in the Eucharist. As sister Lucy said a diabolical disorientation has infected the church. Their are lots of good people in the NO but they are allowing themselves to be deceived. How unfortunate.

I am perplexed about where to go and how to practice my faith. Currently I attend the indult TLM, but have attended SSPX. In my heart I do not believe we have had a true Pope since Pius XII. But I am not sure and don't feel I am qualified to make that judgment. So I am doing the best I can to weather this crisis until things become more clear.

To Jesus thru Mary.

Vladimir · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2009, 11:33:42 AM »

Clown "Masses" were rare, but there are many every day abuses or lack of reverence (I once saw a priest pray the Novus Ordo in sweat pants and tennis shoes). The Novus Ordo is invalid almost most of the time any way though.

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2009, 12:07:10 PM »

Quote from: Vladimir

Clown "Masses" were rare, but there are many every day abuses or lack of reverence (I once saw a priest pray the Novus Ordo in sweat pants and tennis shoes). The Novus Ordo is invalid almost most of the time any way though.

NewChurch is like Prots, they have fads that come and go....the modernists are more out in open now than during my youth in 70's and 80's, at least, more clear dividing lines.

Belloc · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2009, 12:08:44 PM »

Quote from: Vladimir

It was a good series. I watched it a few months ago. I cried when they showed the high altar being used as a block for the parking lot.

Heard and burned a talk on CD by a priest taht noted he grew up in Ky. There was a monastery with a huge, breath taking stain glass of BVM..after V2, the monks nol onger held Vespers in front of it, but took sledgehammers and smashed it to bits.....just like Calvinist hordes in France,elsewhere......

Belloc · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2009, 12:12:12 PM »

Quote from: Arborman

Thanks for sharing that video. It is very well done and thought provoking. I would like to express my thoughts.

When they show the abuses of the NO Mass, they show clown Masses, and other scandalous abuses of the Mass. I do not believe those abuses are the norm. I have just come out of the NO 8 months ago, and it was done reverently and with faith. However, the Mass itself is deficient with no offertory, changed words of consecration, standing for communion and communion in the hand and the priestesses distributing Jesus in the Eucharist. As sister Lucy said a diabolical disorientation has infected the church. Their are lots of good people in the NO but they are allowing themselves to be deceived. How unfortunate.

I am perplexed about where to go and how to practice my faith. Currently I attend the indult TLM, but have attended SSPX. In my heart I do not believe we have had a true Pope since Pius XII. But I am not sure and don't feel I am qualified to make that judgment. So I am doing the best I can to weather this crisis until things become more clear.

To Jesus thru Mary.

Good thoughts, for the record, I beleive BXVI is true Pope......like King David, these are faulty men that sin and many likely go to Hell or Purgatory for long periods (some reports ar that Innocent III was and maybe stil lis, in Purgatory). John Chrysostom notes that few priests go to Heaven, majority that do go are in Purgatory for long periods,etc.....will see if I can locate quote and sources....

People can hold legit offices, but be-shall we say-less than perfect and often perosnally corrupt-example, Alexander VI......held Papacy legit, but was very corrupt personally and morally.........

Others may disagree, but that is my take for what it is worth.....

radtrad · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2009, 08:12:05 PM »

Quote from: Arborman

Thanks for sharing that video. It is very well done and thought provoking. I would like to express my thoughts.

When they show the abuses of the NO Mass, they show clown Masses, and other scandalous abuses of the Mass. I do not believe those abuses are the norm. I have just come out of the NO 8 months ago, and it was done reverently and with faith. However, the Mass itself is deficient with no offertory, changed words of consecration, standing for communion and communion in the hand and the priestesses distributing Jesus in the Eucharist.

You are absolutely right. A lot of times, so-called "Traditionalists" mess up by simply referencing the abuses by the NO services. This is the wrong tactic, but frequently used because it is so easy. Anyone can find pictures of crazy NO masses.

But you touched on the heart of the matter. Even if the NO is done as it's own rubrics calls for, it is still deficient (to use your own word). This is extremely important if the Traditionalists hope to get the mass completely back. Traditionalists should focus on this point. The NO is deficient from the get-go.

Even though you mentioned some good criticism of the NO, there are many more points of criticism that are of a greater import (Pro mulits anyone?)

Quote from: Arborman

As sister Lucy said a diabolical disorientation has infected the church. Their are lots of good people in the NO but they are allowing themselves to be deceived. How unfortunate.

I am perplexed about where to go and how to practice my faith. Currently I attend the indult TLM, but have attended SSPX. In my heart I do not believe we have had a true Pope since Pius XII. But I am not sure and don't feel I am qualified to make that judgment. So I am doing the best I can to weather this crisis until things become more clear.

To Jesus thru Mary.

Again, I completely agree with you. I am in the same predicament. I currently attend the Motu Mass, offerred by a NO priest! But I too have attended SSPX (in TN) in the past. In my heart I do not think that we have had a true Popesince Pius XII. As you state, I also do not think I am qualified to make that judgment. After all, who can truly judge the Supreme Pontiff? He is above canon law, so what does that say about our position in relation to him?!

If we have not had a legit pope since the '50s what effect does that have on other things? For instance, is the "New Catechism" binding? What about the '83 Code? What about all the new sacraments of Paul VI?... that one is really serious. If he wasn't pope, what authority did he have to change the sacraments? Holy Orders is then effected... which effects all the current priests, Bishops (like Ratzinger)... which effects us who go to NO priests!!! Argh!

I simply shrink my world. I cannot control Benedict, John Paul II, the charismatics etc. So why the anxiety? What I can control is my simply world: my family, the work I put in each day, and how I react to the world. I simply bare it. I go to mass regularly, pray the daily rosary, read as much as possible, be kind to my wife, raise my children well and hope for heaven. Those are things that I can do. Anxiety comes from worrying over things I can't control.

God will sort it out, but "How long, O Lord, shall I cry, and thou wilt not hear? shall I cry out to thee suffering violence, and thou wilt not save?"

Robert

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #13 on:** February 18, 2012, 10:30:25 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Vladimir
It was a good series. I watched it a few months ago. I cried when they showed the high altar being used as a block for the parking lot.

Heard and burned a talk on CD by a priest taht noted he grew up in Ky. There was a monastery with a huge, breath taking stain glass of BVM..after V2, the monks nol onger held Vespers in front of it, but took sledgehammers and smashed it to bits.....just like Calvinist hordes in France,elsewhere......

I do apologize for bumping an old thread, but it included a video "What We Have Lost" that I was trying to find. If I hadn't found it tonight, I was going to start a new thread asking if anyone could link to it.

Also, I don't understand why any Catholic would ever want to remove or damage or even treat cavalierly a beautiful representation of the Blessed Virgin Mary. That is a "spirit" I will never grasp but do hope to recognize so I can oppose it or at least, to paraphrase St. Francis de Sales, should aloud so as to alert the others "Here is the wolf."

I'm going to share this video with my sons and my wife as I make my transition from NO Catholic to Traditional Catholic.

songbird · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2012, 05:47:15 PM »

I know the producers of "What We Have Lost" personally and they have always made the video available for copying and distribution to anyone who has asked. It is rather dated having been first made in 1999, but the truths are timeless. The Mass was destroyed no matter how reverently it may be presented.