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  • STUNNING SCIENTIFIC DOcuмENTARY MOVIE OF IMMENSE IMPORTANCE

    Dear fellow Catholics:

    This is to inform you of a truly stunning -- and I predict even historic and paradigm changing -- blockbuster of a movie scheduled to be released later this year and possibly as early as this summer. The film, The Principle has a website found at The Principle. You may go there -- as I strongly encourage you to! -- and be placed on the mailing list for updates.

    The Principle is a highly professionally produced scientific docuмentary film which calls into very serious question the Copernican Principle which holds that the Earth does not hold any privileged place in the universe, that is to say in God's creation. The centuries long falsely established and noxious Copernican Principle is in keeping with the deceased atheist icon Carl Sagan's pronouncement that "we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people" and all of which popped into existence "billions and billions" of years ago. (Carl Sagan, "on the Significance of Man," Time, October 20, 1980, p. 61).

    The Principle sets forth very strong and stunning scientific evidence upholding the long held traditional Catholic doctrinal position of geocentrism (motionless Earth at the center of the universe). Some of the world's very top (and non-Catholic!) cosmologists in the area of astro-physics and astronomy are seen in the film giving powerful testimony to the evidence which is supportive of geocentrism.

    One should realize that the question of whether geocentrism as opposed to heliocentrism (which posits that the earth revolves around the sun) is much, much more important in its implications than simply what revolves around what. If it is true that the Earth is at the center of the universe then the the scientific world (so much of which is atheistic or agnostic) must admit (to their great chagrin!) that the Catholic Church had it right all along. They would also have to admit that someone placed the Earth at the center of the universe and that someone is spelled with a capital "S" (i.e., God!). This is precisely why this battle for the truth concerning geocentrism is so incredibly important. It is a battle not only for a huge scientific truth, but an essential and gigantic battle (war, if you will!) for the restoration of the rightful teaching authority of the Catholic Church which held that Galileo was wrong -- as well he was! -- when he tried to hold into question the Church's teaching concerning the the Earth's relationship to the Sun.

    Catholics have to a large degree rightfully held in utter disdain evolution's "frog to prince" fairytale. With the help of The Principle, they should take much greater courage in calling into rightful disrepute scientism's long held Copernican Principle.

    I leave you with a magnificent quote taken from Drs. Robert Sungenis and Robert Bennett's monumental work Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right (www.galileowasright.com): "Earth, as the center of the universe, motionless in space wherein all other celestial bodies revolve around it, would destroy, in one mortal blow, the theories of evolution, paleontology, cosmology, cosmogony, relativity, and many other modern disciplines, placing them all on the dust heap of history. If Earth is in the center of the universe, it means, with little argument from the scientific community, that someone placed it there by design.....it is not 'arrogance' that leads one to see the Earth as the center of the universe [as many an atheist and agnostic would hold]. Rather, humility guides the human soul to recognize that there is Someone much higher than we Who has esteemed Earth so much that He put it in a most unique place in the universe to be the apple of His eye. Arrogance is on the side of those who would seek to remove that Someone from our immediate purview by throwing the Earth into the remote recesses of space."

    Thank you very much for your attention to this message. Please be so kind as to consider passing it on to others. May God be with you!

    Sincerely in Christ,
    James B. Phillips, J.D.



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    Catholics have to a large degree rightfully held in utter disdain evolution's "frog to prince" fairytale. With the help of The Principle, they should take much greater courage in calling into rightful disrepute scientism's long held Copernican Principle.




    The most important single word in the whole letter (the OP) is this word that the
    CI platform underscores with a squiggly red line, "scientism," because nobody
    uses it - that is, almost nobody.  It's a GREAT WORD!  Let me introduce to you
    the man who coined this great word, in 1946.

    Scientism is all about the worship of a false god, the false god of false science.

    And the reason that the Church cannot legitimately buy into evolution or
    Galileo's heresy or his progeny's penchant for ridicule (a.k.a. blasphemy), is
    that it is a transgression against the First Commandment, "I AM THE LORD
    THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE FALSE GODS BEFORE ME."



    Another one is mathematics, the only intellectual pursuit that does not lead to
    God.  "From the spider of mathematics, good God, deliver us!"  -  Professor
    Fakhri Maluf, Boston College, 1949, words that got him EXPELLED, not unlike
    one Bishop Richard Williamson, ironically.  (see below)





    Excerpt from The Dangers of Scientism (December, 1946)

    Here are some instances to illustrate what I mean by the term “scientism”: Physicists are now being consulted, not only on the development of atomic energy, but also on the morality of dropping atomic bombs. Professional experts must now tell us, not only whether children may be exposed safely to gamma rays, but even, whether children may be exposed to sun light. Experts must decide whether mothers should be allowed to hug their babies. Einstein is teaching, on the grounds of mathematical physics, that God is not personal. Whitehead describes the attitudes of God in terms of quantum physics. Bergson builds biology into a false metaphysical religion. Bridgman moves over from the specialized field of high-pressure physics, to define democracy, investigate the foundations of morality, and pronounce on the freedom of the will!

    I propose to study in this article some aspects of scientism, this cultural disease, which I hold responsible to a large extent for the alarming number of infidels and atheists in modern universities, and for the rise of dangerous beliefs and practices, the absurdities of which could be detected by a child, but not by the involved mind of the “scientific expert” and of those who worship authority. I hope to suggest that the remedy lies in restoring philosophy to its rightful place in education. Philosophy has been called “the Queen of the Sciences”, and indeed, the realm of the sciences left without philosophy is like the kingdom in a state of anarchy. Philosophy defends the fundamental certitudes of common sense, establishes the grounds of morality, prepares the mind for revelation, and restores order in the house of science. Let the reader then be prepared to become more philosophically minded, if this article is to make its point.

    To begin with, let us observe the place of knowledge in the life of man. Knowledge is the most characteristic activity of man. A man could, without knowledge, fall down from a balcony like a fainting acrobat; but no man could, without knowledge, climb up a balcony like Romeo. When the fainting acrobat falls down, we call that an act of man, because it is a man and not a stone or a log that is falling under the pull of gravity; but when Romeo climbs up, we call that, not only an act of man, but also a human act. Knowledge must be present in every human act: in every art or profession, in humor and in prayer, in virtue and in vice. Man cannot even commit a sin without knowledge. Even man’s beatitude is defined in terms of knowledge, for “this is eternal life: that they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). If, therefore, knowledge plays such a tremendous role in the life of man, and if the consummation of this life in the beatific vision consists in the knowledge of all truth, would it not be extremely strange if God had restricted the privilege of knowing to that very small fraction of mankind who constitute the class of scholars and scientists?




    [Keep in mind: the following was authored by a professor of mathematics at Boston College, erstwhile Professor Fakhri Maluf, a.k.a. Brother Francis Maluf.]

    Mathematics and Christian Education
    by Br. Francis Maluf, M.I.C.M. February 27, 2012 [uploaded in 2012, written 1949]

    Nothing could be more distinctive of the age in which we live than the overpowering prominence of mathematics. All through the Catholic centuries, arithmetic and geometry constituted all the mathematics that an educated Christian was asked to learn. Even these two subjects were treated from a more contemplative point of view, which made them far more harmonious with other liberal studies. Arithmetic consisted in the study of the properties of numbers; geometry in the study of shapes and figures. When not overdone, and when counterbalanced by the proper correctives from the other types of knowledge, geometry and arithmetic, as they used to be taught, cultivated a few desirable virtues of the mind like clarity and precision, and sharpened the mind for the perception of harmony, rhythm, and pattern in the study of nature and of Holy Scripture. But even then, many saints and sages warned against the excessive preoccupation with such studies, and especially against the seductive clarity of mathematics; for it is not enough for the mind to be accurate and clear; we are bound to ask “accurate and clear about what?” Since in mathematics accuracy and clarity are achieved at the price of the reality and the goodness of the object, it is a danger of the mathematical mind to continue to sacrifice reality and goodness for the sake of clarity in every other field in which man must seek and find the truth.

    But in our time, education is overwhelmed by mathematics and on more than one score. For, while a contemplative interest in the properties of shapes and numbers is almost completely extinct, an illiberal and utterly inhuman form of mathematics dominates the years of learning of our boys and girls, almost completely from the very first year of the primary school to the very last year of college. In place of arithmetic and geometry, whose relation to reality is definite and understandable, there is now an indefinite confusion of branches which go by the name of mathematics, the nature of whose objects nobody understands! Such topics as topology, non-Eudidean geometry, Boolean algebra, transfinite numbers, projective geometry; not to speak of other more recognizable subjects like algebra, trigonometry, integral calculus, vector analysis and the theory of equations. These new subjects are not only more confusing but much more difficult to acquire, and therefore much less likely to leave the mind at leisure for other liberal studies. But the predominance of mathematics today is not restricted to those courses which go by its name, because mathematics, in some form or other, in matter or in method, has crept into every other corner of the curriculum. According to the modern positivistic conception, mathematics and not wisdom is considered as the prototype of science. In subjects ranging from physics to education, covering every field of human learning, there is an evident tendency to assimilate all knowledge to mathematical knowledge and to resolve all realities into mathematical formulas. This trend reaches its apex in the development of symbolic logic, in which guise mathematics invades even the field of philosophy, to distort all the basic conceptions of the mind, and to deflect all the activities of thought from attaining their fulfillment in true wisdom which consists in knowledge about God, by keeping them whirling endlessly around the nihilistic circle of sheer mathematical emptiness.

    Now in an attempt to determine the influence of mathematics on the mind of a Christian, it would be folly to ignore the fact that after twenty centuries of Christian living, it is impossible to name one single patron saint for mathematics. There are Catholics indeed who occupied themselves considerably with mathematics and as far as we know kept the faith; but I know of no mathematician whose faith burned so brilliantly as to earn him a place among the stars of sanctity. Nor is this a mere coincidence, for any one of us can look into his own mind to find that there is no other kind of human knowledge or human experience which offers less in terms of value for the Christian message than mathematics. Almost all that one needs in the way of mathematics in order to learn all of Holy Scripture and all the Doctors of the Church, does not exceed the ability to count up to a thousand and to distinguish between a vertical and a horizontal line. Whatever it is you talk about in mathematics, it is never anything you can carry over to your meditations, or employ in your prayers; it gives you no courage in your moments of despair, and no consolation in your loneliness.

    In the field of philosophy, mathematics has always been fertile grounds for sophistry. There is hardly any other intellectual interest which has contributed more to confuse men about fundamental truths regarding God, man, and the universe, than mathematics. Just to mention the names of Thales, Pythagoras, Plato, Descartes, Spinoza, Whitehead and Russell, would suffice to convince one even slightly acquainted with the history of thought about the great number of minds that were deceived by the mirage of mathematics, and misled to accept fraudulent substitutes for the saving truth. I believe that an unprejudiced consideration of the nature of mathematics and of the nature of its objects would reveal clearly that all these charges leveled against the mathematical mind are rooted in the very nature and essence of things.

    But what kind of a science is mathematics? Is it a practical science which envisages the achievement of a good, or a speculative science which envisages the attainment of truth? A practical science, like medicine or ethics, would be eliminated by the elimination of the corresponding good. For example, if men were indifferent to health and its opposite there would be no criterion for distinguishing between a right prescription and a wrong one, and consequently, medicine would cease to be a science. In a similar way, if men per absurdum were suddenly to become neutral to the attainment of happiness or its opposite, that would be the end of ethics. But what good, if ceasing, would determine the end of mathematics? None whatever, for the simple reason that mathematics prescinds from all good and all value. Mathematics talks the language of a speculative science. It utters propositions which must be either true or false. Now a proposition is true or false depending on whether it is or is not in conformity with reality. Just as a practical science envisages a good to be achieved, which good functions as the criterion for right and wrong precepts in that science, so a speculative science considers some part or aspect of reality, which stands as the measure of truth and falsehood in that science. If there were no stars there would be no astronomy; and theology would be sheer nonsense if God did not exist. But what part of reality would destroy mathematics by being eliminated? What does the mathematician talk about? Is the object of mathematics a creature or a creator? Is it a substance or an accident? Is it something actual or merely potential? Is it changing or changeless? Temporal or eternal? Material or spiritual? Tangible or intangible? If one were to compose an inventory of all the subsisting realities of the whole universe, including God, the angels, men, animals, plants and minerals, would the objects of mathematics be on this list?

    Am I asking too many questions? Well, here are a few answers whose reasons will either be supplied later, or be left to the reader to discover for himself. Mathematics is a speculative science whose value can only be in the practical order. It has no speculative value, because it does not convey any essential knowledge about any subsisting reality. It is not contemplative knowledge and therefore not essentially good for man, because it occupies the intellect with objects which the will cannot love. It is knowledge which does not proceed from understanding nor does it resolve in wisdom. It does not proceed from understanding, because the mathematical expression of any reality, never conveys any understanding of it. It may however convey the means for the control of that reality. You are not one inch closer to the penetration of the mystery of light and color when you know the number of Angstroms in each of the colors of the spectrum; nor about  the nature, cause, or purpose of gravity when you resolve its laws into mathematical formulas. And it does not resolve in wisdom, because neither is mathematics concerned with the First Cause, nor does it lead to the First Cause. The manner by which mathematics deals with its objects abstracts completely from any dependence upon God, and as a matter of fact, attributes to these objects a species of eternity and turns them into quasi divinities completely independent in themselves. This explains the autonomous nature of mathematics, according to which, left to itself, it never leads to anything non-mathematical. A mathematician might be led to think about God by an accidental non-mathematical reason, but never from the very needs of mathematics.

    As for the object of mathematics, it is not a physical entity but a mental entity; it is not real but ideal. There is nowhere in the world, outside of the mind of a mathematician, a point without dimensions, a line without width or thickness, or a square root of minus one. But these fictions of the mind are founded on reality, and their foundation consists of the accident of quantity and its properties and relations. Arithmetic is founded on discontinuous quantities or multitudes; geometry on continuous quantities or magnitudes; while algebra is founded on abstract quantity considered generically, prescinding from whether it is number or magnitude and therefore potentially capable both of an arithmetical as well as of a geometrical interpretation. Other mathematical objects, more distantly removed from this real foundation of mathematics, are rooted in these simpler elements and in the relations which hold among them. Having experienced the three dimensions of bodies in space and having represented these three dimensions by the three variables of an algebraical equation, nothing prevents the mind from creating the fiction of a space corresponding to an algebraical equation of four variables – hence four-dimensional space.

    But what do we know about this accident of quantity, on which is founded, proximately or remotely every object of mathematics? We learn from philosophy that quantity is an accident of material substances, and that in contrast with the accident of quality, quantity manifests the material and not the formal aspect of these substances. Therefore the real foundation of mathematics is found in the material aspect of material things. Further, an accident when conceived as an accident always brings you back to its substance; but in mathematics the accident of quantity is conceived as if it were a substance. Further, a material substance concretely considered, has a nature through which this substance moves to the attainment of an end, but the mathematician considers quantity as a substantialized material accident devoid of any principle of change and abstracted from any movement to attain an end. The concrete material substance manifests itself through its sensible qualities by means of which it is known, but the object of mathematics, without being a spiritual substance like an angel, prescinds from all sensible qualities and can be known only by the intellect and not by the senses. Hence we have the apparent paradox that while the only foundation for the mathematical object is the material aspect of material things, still mathematics represents its object such as matter could neither be nor be known. For matter is nothing but a principle of change, while mathematics prescinds from change; and matter can only be known through the senses while mathematics prescinds from sensibility.

    The object of mathematics is therefore an accident parading as a substance, a material reality pretending to be immaterial, an ideal entity which poses for something real. At the basis of all these antinomies is the fact that mathematics arises only when an intellectual mind, directs the light of its spiritual intelligence, not for the purpose of contemplating being, but for the purpose of controlling potency. The mathematical object is the shadow that matter cast on spirit. For when spirit knows spirit, there is not even the foundation for mathematics; when material cognition (sensation) knows material things, the objects of mathematics cannot arise; even when a spiritual being knows matter contemplatively it understands a material substance through its form and its qualities. It is only when a spiritual being concerns itself with matter and for the purpose of sheer control that mathematics finally finds its grounds.

    But how about the truth in mathematics? If the objects of mathematics are mental entities (entia rationis) what is it that determines the truth or falsehood of a mathematical proposition? What reality stands as the measure to the judgment of the mind? In the classical branches, arithmetic and geometry, the foundation in reality was close enough to preclude any statements that are not justified by the real properties of multitudes and magnitudes. But as mathematics branches out and develops into newer mathematics, and higher mathematics, and purer mathematics, that control becomes less and less until finally the mind remains its own measure. Consistency and not conformity becomes the touchstone of validity.

    Apart from mathematics, there used to be three other distinct types of knowledge: physical, logical, and ethical. All three led ultimately to God, the physical sciences under the aspect of Ultimate Cause; the logical sciences by way of the Prime Truth; and the ethical sciences by way of the Supreme Good. But in mathematics, the mind reigns supreme, lord of all it surveys. The mind finds in itself a sufficient cause for the kind of being the mathematical entity enjoys. It is the only ultimate measure for the truth of its judgments. It prescinds completely from the aspect of goodness. Of all the intellectual pursuits, mathematics alone does not lead to God.

    It is like the web of a spider, it proceeds from the very substance of the spider and ends up being its own jail. It gets more involved and more intricate the more it is extended, and finally, when the web is intricate enough, the new threads do not have to measure up to any real independent distances of walls or furniture, for when the new-thrown thread fails to meet a point of support, it sticks on another thread of the same fabric.

    From the spider of mathematics, may God deliver us.



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    Catholics have to a large degree rightfully held in utter disdain evolution's "frog to prince" fairytale. With the help of The Principle, they should take much greater courage in calling into rightful disrepute scientism's long held Copernican Principle.




    The most important single word in the whole letter (the OP) is this word that the
    CI platform underscores with a squiggly red line, "scientism," because nobody
    uses it - that is, almost nobody.  It's a GREAT WORD!  Let me introduce to you
    the man who coined this great word, in 1946.

    Scientism is all about the worship of a false god, the false god of false science.

    And the reason that the Church cannot legitimately buy into evolution or
    Galileo's heresy or his progeny's penchant for ridicule (a.k.a. blasphemy), is
    that it is a transgression against the First Commandment, "I AM THE LORD
    THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE FALSE GODS BEFORE ME."



    Another one is mathematics, the only intellectual pursuit that does not lead to
    God.  "From the spider of mathematics, good God, deliver us!"  -  Professor
    Fakhri Maluf, Boston College, 1949, words that got him EXPELLED, not unlike
    one Bishop Richard Williamson, ironically.  (see below)





    Excerpt from The Dangers of Scientism (December, 1946)

    Here are some instances to illustrate what I mean by the term “scientism”: Physicists are now being consulted, not only on the development of atomic energy, but also on the morality of dropping atomic bombs. Professional experts must now tell us, not only whether children may be exposed safely to gamma rays, but even, whether children may be exposed to sun light. Experts must decide whether mothers should be allowed to hug their babies. Einstein is teaching, on the grounds of mathematical physics, that God is not personal. Whitehead describes the attitudes of God in terms of quantum physics. Bergson builds biology into a false metaphysical religion. Bridgman moves over from the specialized field of high-pressure physics, to define democracy, investigate the foundations of morality, and pronounce on the freedom of the will!

    I propose to study in this article some aspects of scientism, this cultural disease, which I hold responsible to a large extent for the alarming number of infidels and atheists in modern universities, and for the rise of dangerous beliefs and practices, the absurdities of which could be detected by a child, but not by the involved mind of the “scientific expert” and of those who worship authority. I hope to suggest that the remedy lies in restoring philosophy to its rightful place in education. Philosophy has been called “the Queen of the Sciences”, and indeed, the realm of the sciences left without philosophy is like the kingdom in a state of anarchy. Philosophy defends the fundamental certitudes of common sense, establishes the grounds of morality, prepares the mind for revelation, and restores order in the house of science. Let the reader then be prepared to become more philosophically minded, if this article is to make its point.

    To begin with, let us observe the place of knowledge in the life of man. Knowledge is the most characteristic activity of man. A man could, without knowledge, fall down from a balcony like a fainting acrobat; but no man could, without knowledge, climb up a balcony like Romeo. When the fainting acrobat falls down, we call that an act of man, because it is a man and not a stone or a log that is falling under the pull of gravity; but when Romeo climbs up, we call that, not only an act of man, but also a human act. Knowledge must be present in every human act: in every art or profession, in humor and in prayer, in virtue and in vice. Man cannot even commit a sin without knowledge. Even man’s beatitude is defined in terms of knowledge, for “this is eternal life: that they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3). If, therefore, knowledge plays such a tremendous role in the life of man, and if the consummation of this life in the beatific vision consists in the knowledge of all truth, would it not be extremely strange if God had restricted the privilege of knowing to that very small fraction of mankind who constitute the class of scholars and scientists?




    [Keep in mind: the following was authored by a professor of mathematics at Boston College, erstwhile Professor Fakhri Maluf, a.k.a. Brother Francis Maluf.]

    Mathematics and Christian Education
    by Br. Francis Maluf, M.I.C.M. February 27, 2012 [uploaded in 2012, written 1949]

    Nothing could be more distinctive of the age in which we live than the overpowering prominence of mathematics. All through the Catholic centuries, arithmetic and geometry constituted all the mathematics that an educated Christian was asked to learn. Even these two subjects were treated from a more contemplative point of view, which made them far more harmonious with other liberal studies. Arithmetic consisted in the study of the properties of numbers; geometry in the study of shapes and figures. When not overdone, and when counterbalanced by the proper correctives from the other types of knowledge, geometry and arithmetic, as they used to be taught, cultivated a few desirable virtues of the mind like clarity and precision, and sharpened the mind for the perception of harmony, rhythm, and pattern in the study of nature and of Holy Scripture. But even then, many saints and sages warned against the excessive preoccupation with such studies, and especially against the seductive clarity of mathematics; for it is not enough for the mind to be accurate and clear; we are bound to ask “accurate and clear about what?” Since in mathematics accuracy and clarity are achieved at the price of the reality and the goodness of the object, it is a danger of the mathematical mind to continue to sacrifice reality and goodness for the sake of clarity in every other field in which man must seek and find the truth.

    But in our time, education is overwhelmed by mathematics and on more than one score. For, while a contemplative interest in the properties of shapes and numbers is almost completely extinct, an illiberal and utterly inhuman form of mathematics dominates the years of learning of our boys and girls, almost completely from the very first year of the primary school to the very last year of college. In place of arithmetic and geometry, whose relation to reality is definite and understandable, there is now an indefinite confusion of branches which go by the name of mathematics, the nature of whose objects nobody understands! Such topics as topology, non-Eudidean geometry, Boolean algebra, transfinite numbers, projective geometry; not to speak of other more recognizable subjects like algebra, trigonometry, integral calculus, vector analysis and the theory of equations. These new subjects are not only more confusing but much more difficult to acquire, and therefore much less likely to leave the mind at leisure for other liberal studies. But the predominance of mathematics today is not restricted to those courses which go by its name, because mathematics, in some form or other, in matter or in method, has crept into every other corner of the curriculum. According to the modern positivistic conception, mathematics and not wisdom is considered as the prototype of science. In subjects ranging from physics to education, covering every field of human learning, there is an evident tendency to assimilate all knowledge to mathematical knowledge and to resolve all realities into mathematical formulas. This trend reaches its apex in the development of symbolic logic, in which guise mathematics invades even the field of philosophy, to distort all the basic conceptions of the mind, and to deflect all the activities of thought from attaining their fulfillment in true wisdom which consists in knowledge about God, by keeping them whirling endlessly around the nihilistic circle of sheer mathematical emptiness.

    Now in an attempt to determine the influence of mathematics on the mind of a Christian, it would be folly to ignore the fact that after twenty centuries of Christian living, it is impossible to name one single patron saint for mathematics. There are Catholics indeed who occupied themselves considerably with mathematics and as far as we know kept the faith; but I know of no mathematician whose faith burned so brilliantly as to earn him a place among the stars of sanctity. Nor is this a mere coincidence, for any one of us can look into his own mind to find that there is no other kind of human knowledge or human experience which offers less in terms of value for the Christian message than mathematics. Almost all that one needs in the way of mathematics in order to learn all of Holy Scripture and all the Doctors of the Church, does not exceed the ability to count up to a thousand and to distinguish between a vertical and a horizontal line. Whatever it is you talk about in mathematics, it is never anything you can carry over to your meditations, or employ in your prayers; it gives you no courage in your moments of despair, and no consolation in your loneliness.

    In the field of philosophy, mathematics has always been fertile grounds for sophistry. There is hardly any other intellectual interest which has contributed more to confuse men about fundamental truths regarding God, man, and the universe, than mathematics. Just to mention the names of Thales, Pythagoras, Plato, Descartes, Spinoza, Whitehead and Russell, would suffice to convince one even slightly acquainted with the history of thought about the great number of minds that were deceived by the mirage of mathematics, and misled to accept fraudulent substitutes for the saving truth. I believe that an unprejudiced consideration of the nature of mathematics and of the nature of its objects would reveal clearly that all these charges leveled against the mathematical mind are rooted in the very nature and essence of things.

    But what kind of a science is mathematics? Is it a practical science which envisages the achievement of a good, or a speculative science which envisages the attainment of truth? A practical science, like medicine or ethics, would be eliminated by the elimination of the corresponding good. For example, if men were indifferent to health and its opposite there would be no criterion for distinguishing between a right prescription and a wrong one, and consequently, medicine would cease to be a science. In a similar way, if men per absurdum were suddenly to become neutral to the attainment of happiness or its opposite, that would be the end of ethics. But what good, if ceasing, would determine the end of mathematics? None whatever, for the simple reason that mathematics prescinds from all good and all value. Mathematics talks the language of a speculative science. It utters propositions which must be either true or false. Now a proposition is true or false depending on whether it is or is not in conformity with reality. Just as a practical science envisages a good to be achieved, which good functions as the criterion for right and wrong precepts in that science, so a speculative science considers some part or aspect of reality, which stands as the measure of truth and falsehood in that science. If there were no stars there would be no astronomy; and theology would be sheer nonsense if God did not exist. But what part of reality would destroy mathematics by being eliminated? What does the mathematician talk about? Is the object of mathematics a creature or a creator? Is it a substance or an accident? Is it something actual or merely potential? Is it changing or changeless? Temporal or eternal? Material or spiritual? Tangible or intangible? If one were to compose an inventory of all the subsisting realities of the whole universe, including God, the angels, men, animals, plants and minerals, would the objects of mathematics be on this list?

    Am I asking too many questions? Well, here are a few answers whose reasons will either be supplied later, or be left to the reader to discover for himself. Mathematics is a speculative science whose value can only be in the practical order. It has no speculative value, because it does not convey any essential knowledge about any subsisting reality. It is not contemplative knowledge and therefore not essentially good for man, because it occupies the intellect with objects which the will cannot love. It is knowledge which does not proceed from understanding nor does it resolve in wisdom. It does not proceed from understanding, because the mathematical expression of any reality, never conveys any understanding of it. It may however convey the means for the control of that reality. You are not one inch closer to the penetration of the mystery of light and color when you know the number of Angstroms in each of the colors of the spectrum; nor about  the nature, cause, or purpose of gravity when you resolve its laws into mathematical formulas. And it does not resolve in wisdom, because neither is mathematics concerned with the First Cause, nor does it lead to the First Cause. The manner by which mathematics deals with its objects abstracts completely from any dependence upon God, and as a matter of fact, attributes to these objects a species of eternity and turns them into quasi divinities completely independent in themselves. This explains the autonomous nature of mathematics, according to which, left to itself, it never leads to anything non-mathematical. A mathematician might be led to think about God by an accidental non-mathematical reason, but never from the very needs of mathematics.

    As for the object of mathematics, it is not a physical entity but a mental entity; it is not real but ideal. There is nowhere in the world, outside of the mind of a mathematician, a point without dimensions, a line without width or thickness, or a square root of minus one. But these fictions of the mind are founded on reality, and their foundation consists of the accident of quantity and its properties and relations. Arithmetic is founded on discontinuous quantities or multitudes; geometry on continuous quantities or magnitudes; while algebra is founded on abstract quantity considered generically, prescinding from whether it is number or magnitude and therefore potentially capable both of an arithmetical as well as of a geometrical interpretation. Other mathematical objects, more distantly removed from this real foundation of mathematics, are rooted in these simpler elements and in the relations which hold among them. Having experienced the three dimensions of bodies in space and having represented these three dimensions by the three variables of an algebraical equation, nothing prevents the mind from creating the fiction of a space corresponding to an algebraical equation of four variables – hence four-dimensional space.

    But what do we know about this accident of quantity, on which is founded, proximately or remotely every object of mathematics? We learn from philosophy that quantity is an accident of material substances, and that in contrast with the accident of quality, quantity manifests the material and not the formal aspect of these substances. Therefore the real foundation of mathematics is found in the material aspect of material things. Further, an accident when conceived as an accident always brings you back to its substance; but in mathematics the accident of quantity is conceived as if it were a substance. Further, a material substance concretely considered, has a nature through which this substance moves to the attainment of an end, but the mathematician considers quantity as a substantialized material accident devoid of any principle of change and abstracted from any movement to attain an end. The concrete material substance manifests itself through its sensible qualities by means of which it is known, but the object of mathematics, without being a spiritual substance like an angel, prescinds from all sensible qualities and can be known only by the intellect and not by the senses. Hence we have the apparent paradox that while the only foundation for the mathematical object is the material aspect of material things, still mathematics represents its object such as matter could neither be nor be known. For matter is nothing but a principle of change, while mathematics prescinds from change; and matter can only be known through the senses while mathematics prescinds from sensibility.

    The object of mathematics is therefore an accident parading as a substance, a material reality pretending to be immaterial, an ideal entity which poses for something real. At the basis of all these antinomies is the fact that mathematics arises only when an intellectual mind, directs the light of its spiritual intelligence, not for the purpose of contemplating being, but for the purpose of controlling potency. The mathematical object is the shadow that matter cast on spirit. For when spirit knows spirit, there is not even the foundation for mathematics; when material cognition (sensation) knows material things, the objects of mathematics cannot arise; even when a spiritual being knows matter contemplatively it understands a material substance through its form and its qualities. It is only when a spiritual being concerns itself with matter and for the purpose of sheer control that mathematics finally finds its grounds.

    But how about the truth in mathematics? If the objects of mathematics are mental entities (entia rationis) what is it that determines the truth or falsehood of a mathematical proposition? What reality stands as the measure to the judgment of the mind? In the classical branches, arithmetic and geometry, the foundation in reality was close enough to preclude any statements that are not justified by the real properties of multitudes and magnitudes. But as mathematics branches out and develops into newer mathematics, and higher mathematics, and purer mathematics, that control becomes less and less until finally the mind remains its own measure. Consistency and not conformity becomes the touchstone of validity.

    Apart from mathematics, there used to be three other distinct types of knowledge: physical, logical, and ethical. All three led ultimately to God, the physical sciences under the aspect of Ultimate Cause; the logical sciences by way of the Prime Truth; and the ethical sciences by way of the Supreme Good. But in mathematics, the mind reigns supreme, lord of all it surveys. The mind finds in itself a sufficient cause for the kind of being the mathematical entity enjoys. It is the only ultimate measure for the truth of its judgments. It prescinds completely from the aspect of goodness. Of all the intellectual pursuits, mathematics alone does not lead to God.

    It is like the web of a spider, it proceeds from the very substance of the spider and ends up being its own jail. It gets more involved and more intricate the more it is extended, and finally, when the web is intricate enough, the new threads do not have to measure up to any real independent distances of walls or furniture, for when the new-thrown thread fails to meet a point of support, it sticks on another thread of the same fabric.

    From the spider of mathematics, may God deliver us.




    Thank you very much Neil Obstat for the extremely helpful information describing and concerning scientism, something which most unfortunately is unknown by so many.  The very cogent commentary about mathematics is also extremely pertinent.

    As for the coming movie The Principle (www.the principlemovie.com) which has been over two years in the making it would be good to add the following.

    This new movie about to be released will expose the demise of the Copernican Principle. Top cosmologists, astrophysicists, philosophers and theologians explain what is happening in the world of cosmology. Max Tegmark, George Ellis, Michio Kaku, Lawrence Krauss and others discuss the "Crisis in Cosmology".

    Recent results from the Planck satellite are the final nail in the coffin. Even as mainstream scientists proclaim that all is well, and that Planck has validated their model, the detailed reports from Planck say otherwise.

    Ther "axis of evil" shines forth even brighter in Planck than previous missions (WMAP and COBE), and there is no doubt that the universe knows about us, and is pointing right to us, even as the scientists imagine they are staring out at the outer reaches of the universe and time, to a place that is not supposed to know about our typical planet in a typical solar system in a typical galaxy, etc.

    This is the most recent watershed moment for cosmology since Galileo, and The Principle Movie, in making for the last 2 years, will be released in time to usher in a new era in cosmology, where our place in the universe is no longer a typical planet in a typical solar system in a typical galaxy, etc. The CMB and a lot of other scientific evidence continuously points back to us.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 19, 2013, 11:12:00 AM »
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  • This web site may be helpful in clearing up the notions that geocentrism is tenable as a scientific view and also that it is any part of the Church's teaching:

    Geocentrism Debunked

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  • Yeah, until I read a scientific paper vetted and published in a recognized journal that says that the earth is the center of the universe I'm not gonna believe this movie.  Just because the earth isn't the center of the universe doesn't mean that God didn't give it a privileged place in the universe.  We're the only planet that can sustain human life.  I'd say that puts it in a VERY privileged place.
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    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 11:46:59 AM »
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  • There is no need to start another discussion as this is already a topic under Catholic Art & Lit

    At any rate , Science has shown that both E & S are in motion.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
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    « Reply #6 on: December 19, 2013, 11:48:57 AM »
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  • ..and I'll note yet again that people who work in these actual scientific fields should, to anyone (even a traditional Catholic) be a greater authority in these matters of nature, than 'theologians' whose degrees come from diploma mills in the Caribbean.  


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    There is no need to start another discussion as this is already a topic under Catholic Art & Lit

    At any rate , Science has shown that both E & S are in motion.


    Apologies.  I did not see the other topic.
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  • It's not any fault of yours, Joe, he means klasg4e, who is starting this topic again in hopes that no one will criticize it.  

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    ..and I'll note yet again that people who work in these actual scientific fields should, to anyone (even a traditional Catholic) be a greater authority in these matters of nature, than 'theologians' whose degrees come from diploma mills in the Caribbean.  



    Showing once again in the choice of expression your heretical disdain for Catholic theology with respect to the glories of modern science.  In your opinion there's fake "theology" vs. "actual scientific fields".  When will Matthew ban this anti-Catholic?

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  • Lad wrote: (quoting me)

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    I guess you never learned to diagram sentences, either?

    If you think a crackpot who bought a fake Phd is a legitimate theologian, buddy, you have much bigger problems than me.  Anyone forced to buy a mail-order Phd from the islands, in whatever field, is a fake.

    Maybe your biggest problem is English comprehension. Seriously, diagramming the sentences you read can be really helpful.  You instantly know which modifiers link to which objects, and suddenly a whole world of language opens up to you...


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    ..blah, blah, blah...



    Showing once again in the choice of expression your heretical disdain for Catholic theology with respect to the glories of modern science.  In your opinion there's fake "theology" vs. "actual scientific fields".  When will Matthew ban this anti-Catholic?


    So if you can't stand to see the jaundiced posts of jaundice, why do you bother quoting and answering them?  

    Certainly there is something about the biblical commission of 1909 that you have to offer.  

    There is a letter from St. Robert posted in Resistance that is not unrelated, even while it is 300 years previous.  Some things never change. Go here.


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  • You have a great catalogue of information, Neil, and you are correct about the term scientism and its usefulness. Whoever controls the terms of the debate controls the debate entirely. How hard it is, for example, to debate a liberal on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity when he can silence all argument with phrases that appeal to the emotions like, "don't you think everybody has the right to choose?" "Aren't ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs human beings like ourselves, and don't they have the same inherent dignity as we?", etc.

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    'theologians' whose degrees come from diploma mills in the Caribbean.  


    I guess you never learned to diagram sentences, either?

    If you think a crackpot who bought a fake Phd is a legitimate theologian, buddy, you have much bigger problems than me.  Anyone forced to buy a mail-order Phd from the islands, in whatever field, is a fake.

    Maybe your biggest problem is English comprehension. Seriously, diagramming the sentences you read can be really helpful.  You instantly know which modifiers link to which objects, and suddenly a whole world of language opens up to you...


    Wow. I was just talking about diagramming sentences with my wife yesterday. We were trying to remember in which grade this occurred. My point was how useless this information always was in the nature in which it was presented. They did not bother to teach us how to write or what words might actually mean. No they just had us diagram these things as a closed end intellectual pursuit unto itself. Kind of like solving a puzzle.

    It was very similar to the idea of teaching a man to read a map that has no plans to travel anywhere.

    Of course sentences could not be diagrammed until they were actually written. Could you imagine trying to create rules of grammar before sentences actually existed? I dare say that one would never have been written. Yet, the idiotic English teachers did a great job of using these rules to insure that most students were afraid to ever put pencil to paper.

    I think we can thank them and their misguided approach to the phenomena known as texting and other forms of imprecise communication. It is a type of rebellion against the language police. There is, after all, a big difference between speaking and opening your mouth and producing noises. Most seem to be unaware of it. Yet they most likely have some idea about how to diagram the sentences of others.

    In my situation, it would have been better to have me write a paragraph in which I was trying to communicate an actual idea. Then the teacher would try and discern what I was trying to say. At that point, I could start to diagram my own sentences and clean them up. But, unfortunately, it was never taught that way. What a waste.


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  • I have downloaded on my computer a staggering work (which I haven't read yet) called "The Grammar of English Grammars", and here is how it talks of these devices:

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    9. The vain pretensions of several modern simplifiers, contrivers of machines, charts, tables, diagrams, vincula, pictures, dialogues, familiar lectures, ocular analyses, tabular compendiums, inductive exercises, productive systems, intellectual methods, and various new theories, for the purpose of teaching grammar, may serve to deceive the ignorant, to amuse the visionary, and to excite the admiration of the credulous; but none of these things has any favourable relation to that improvement which may justly be boasted as having taken place within the memory of the present generation. The definitions and rules which constitute the doctrines of grammar, may be variously expressed, arranged, illustrated, and applied; and in the expression, arrangement, illustration, and application of them, there may be room for some amendment; but no contrivance can ever relieve the pupil from the necessity of committing them thoroughly to memory. The experience of all antiquity is added to our own, in confirmation of this; and the judicious teacher, though he will not shut his eyes to a real improvement, will be cautious of renouncing the practical lessons of hoary experience, for the futile notions of a vain projector.


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    Here it is: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/11615

    edit: excuse me, the book is actually called:

    THE
    GRAMMAR
    OF
    ENGLISH GRAMMARS,
    WITH
    AN INTRODUCTION
    HISTORICAL AND CRITICAL;
    THE WHOLE
    METHODICALLY ARRANGED AND AMPLY ILLUSTRATED;
    WITH
    FORMS OF CORRECTING AND OF PARSING, IMPROPRIETIES FOR CORRECTION, EXAMPLES FOR PARSING, QUESTIONS FOR EXAMINATION, EXERCISES FOR WRITING, OBSERVATIONS FOR THE ADVANCED STUDENT, DECISIONS AND PROOFS FOR THE SETTLEMENT OF DISPUTED POINTS, OCCASIONAL STRICTURES AND DEFENCES, AN EXHIBITION OF THE SEVERAL METHODS OF ANALYSIS,
    AND
    A KEY TO THE ORAL EXERCISES:
    TO WHICH ARE ADDED
    FOUR APPENDIXES,
    PERTAINING SEPARATELY TO THE FOUR PARTS OF GRAMMAR.
    BY GOOLD BROWN,
    AUTHOR OF THE INSTITUTES OF ENGLISH GRAMMAR, THE FIRST LINES OF ENGLISH GRAMMAR, ETC.

    SIXTH EDITION—REVISED AND IMPROVED.
    ENLARGED BY THE ADDITION OF A COPIOUS INDEX OF MATTERS.
    BY SAMUEL U. BERRIAN, A. M.