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Strange Christian Art
« on: April 24, 2022, 02:16:22 PM »
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    • A few videos from this channel showcasing and speculating about the very strange artwork of Medieval Christianity. Quite entertaining, especially if you like manuscript drolleries and Hieronymous Bosch






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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #1 on: April 24, 2022, 04:04:38 PM »
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    • Here's a 3-minute research/observation.

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    His bio says he's a Christian, Dutch surrealist and an anti-clerical.  These are red flags.

    E. Michael Jones, whatever you think him, does offer scholarly insight on the Jєωs.  In his lectures he covers Dutch Jєωry and it's a fascinating history, where they tried to monopolize the global mercantile system, including slavery until they were crushed.

    Going forward, at the end of 2021, another whacked-out Dutch "artist" Paul Verhoven, wrote & produced a blaphemous movie titled "Benedatta".
    It's a lesbian flick that attacks Our Lady in the most pornographic way.

    In Jones scathing review of the movie he added that while Verhoven may not be a genetic Jєω, from his Dutch origins... he might as well be.

    Dare I extrapolate... that the artists Verhoven and Bosch.... are men of the same cloth.

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #2 on: April 24, 2022, 04:59:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 24, 2022, 04:04:38 PM
    Here's a 3-minute research/observation.

    Link

    His bio says he's a Christian, Dutch surrealist and an anti-clerical.  These are red flags.

    E. Michael Jones, whatever you think him, does offer scholarly insight on the Jєωs.  In his lectures he covers Dutch Jєωry and it's a fascinating history, where they tried to monopolize the global mercantile system, including slavery until they were crushed.

    Going forward, at the end of 2021, another whacked-out Dutch "artist" Paul Verhoven, wrote & produced a blaphemous movie titled "Benedatta".
    It's a lesbian flick that attacks Our Lady in the most pornographic way.

    In Jones scathing review of the movie he added that while Verhoven may not be a genetic Jєω, from his Dutch origins... he might as well be.

    Dare I extrapolate... that the artists Verhoven and Bosch.... are men of the same cloth.
    Verhoven and Bosch are two different men in two different time periods. I can appreciate the art of one over the art of the other.
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #3 on: April 24, 2022, 05:21:18 PM »
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    • One could easily argue that Bosch was the grandfather of modern surrealism, which is anti-Christian and deviant art.

    Surrealism In a revolution against a society ruled by rational thought, the Surrealists tapped into the “superior reality” of the subconscious.

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #4 on: April 24, 2022, 05:58:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 24, 2022, 05:21:18 PM
    One could easily argue that Bosch was the grandfather of modern surrealism, which is anti-Christian and deviant art.

    Surrealism In a revolution against a society ruled by rational thought, the Surrealists tapped into the “superior reality” of the subconscious.
    You could easily argue that everyone and their brother in history is an occultist and a Satanist too... Might as well condemn all the monks who utilized drolleries in illuminated manuscripts into the surrealist motif since those are just as "deviant" as his works (see video 2)

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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #5 on: April 24, 2022, 06:20:11 PM »
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    • Yeah, pay no heed to Mad monks... they're harmless ;)


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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #6 on: April 24, 2022, 06:33:26 PM »
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    • I only looked at half of video 2. The presenter makes a strange arrogant claim that We are fortunate today that all kinds of knowledge is readily available to us!!

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #7 on: April 24, 2022, 06:46:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 24, 2022, 06:33:26 PM
    I only looked at half of video 2. The presenter makes a strange arrogant claim that We are fortunate today that all kinds of knowledge is readily available to us!!
    Oh yes, the presenter is openly secular. So he certainly thinks highly of the post-Enlightenment world :laugh1:
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    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #8 on: April 24, 2022, 06:47:50 PM »
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    • Having watched half no 5, I am puzzled as to how you could define this as Christian art.
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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #9 on: April 24, 2022, 06:56:18 PM »
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    • I watched the second video and found it really fascinating. The narrator doesn't seem religious, but he discusses the subject respectfully. The art is from the middle ages, so it's the work of Catholic monks. I wish people had more awareness of the medieval world in general, and I think this video helps to that end.
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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #10 on: April 24, 2022, 07:37:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 24, 2022, 06:47:50 PM
    Having watched half no 5, I am puzzled as to how you could define this as Christian art.
    The three headed Jesus one? Or do you mean the doodles video? The doodles one isn't actually part of his Strange Christian Art series, I just included it because it was related to illuminated drolleries
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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #11 on: April 24, 2022, 07:39:59 PM »
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    • The doodles one. 
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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #12 on: April 24, 2022, 09:03:04 PM »
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    • Interactive exhibit of Hieronymus Bosch's "Garden of Earthly Delights", very cool.

    https://archief.ntr.nl/tuinderlusten/en.html
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    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #13 on: April 24, 2022, 09:23:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 24, 2022, 05:21:18 PM
    One could easily argue that Bosch was the grandfather of modern surrealism, which is anti-Christian and deviant art.

    Surrealism In a revolution against a society ruled by rational thought, the Surrealists tapped into the “superior reality” of the subconscious.

    Sometimes surrealism shows the inner reality…

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    Re: Strange Christian Art
    « Reply #14 on: April 24, 2022, 09:29:58 PM »
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    • The Trinity, Flemish School, c. 1500




    Russian icon of the Old Testament Trinity, Andrey Rublev c.1400
    The Three Persons have the same face, emphasizing their unity.

    Other versions of Rublev’s depictions raise questions about an anti-filioque interpretation.
    https://fitzinfo.net/2022/02/08/soviet-artist-smuggles-heretic-into-vatican-with-help-of-pope/


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