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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2017, 11:04:46 PM »
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    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Samuel.  


    Right now I am reading the First Book of Kings.


    right now I am reading the First Book of Chronicles.

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    « Reply #31 on: January 11, 2017, 02:17:53 AM »
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  • Currently I am reading The Conception, the first volume of the Celestial City of God by Venerable Maria de Agreda.  


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    « Reply #32 on: January 11, 2017, 02:18:58 AM »
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  • Currently I am reading The Conception, the first volume of the Celestial City of God by Venerable Maria de Agreda.  

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    « Reply #33 on: January 20, 2017, 11:42:52 PM »
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    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Samuel.  


    Right now I am reading the First Book of Kings.


    right now I am reading the First Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Chronicles.

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    « Reply #34 on: January 23, 2017, 06:33:11 PM »
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  • I am reading Father De Smet.  Very good!  He is mentioned chronicles of Lewis and Clark.  I enjoy reading the details of the times, travels and such.


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    « Reply #35 on: January 25, 2017, 12:00:12 AM »
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    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Samuel.  


    Right now I am reading the First Book of Kings.


    right now I am reading the First Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Book of Ezra.

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    « Reply #36 on: January 27, 2017, 12:14:30 AM »
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    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Samuel.  


    Right now I am reading the First Book of Kings.


    right now I am reading the First Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Book of Ezra.


    Now I am reading from the Book of Nehemiah.

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    « Reply #37 on: January 31, 2017, 11:24:52 PM »
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    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Samuel.  


    Right now I am reading the First Book of Kings.


    right now I am reading the First Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Book of Ezra.


    Now I am reading from the Book of Nehemiah.


    Now I am reading from the Book of Tobit.


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    « Reply #38 on: February 08, 2017, 02:05:59 AM »
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    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Samuel.  


    Right now I am reading the First Book of Kings.


    right now I am reading the First Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Second Book of Chronicles.


    Right now I am reading the Book of Ezra.


    Now I am reading from the Book of Nehemiah.


    Now I am reading from the Book of Tobit.


    right now I am reading the Book of Judith.

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    « Reply #39 on: February 13, 2017, 07:46:27 PM »
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    I am reading Father De Smet.  Very good!  He is mentioned chronicles of Lewis and Clark.  I enjoy reading the details of the times, travels and such.

    Fr. de Smet is considered the Missionary of the American Northwest. He claimed the Flathead Indians were impressively virtuous, and so they have gained the reputation of being the most virtuous of all the naive Americans.  Various stories of visitors to their region have come away with curiously (and often subtly supportive) if not vague examples of their moral propriety and cultural generosity.  It seems to me that the Flathead Indians do not garner much folklore or prominence in Western movies because they don't make very shocking examples of cruelty and barbarism as do some of the other tribes such as Aztecs, Apache, Hurons and Iroquois. The latter got their name from the sound of their battle cry, for example.

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    « Reply #40 on: February 13, 2017, 08:09:31 PM »
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    I am into the "Glories of Mary", Tradition and the Church, and The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, by Muller.

    Such a good book! I do have a copy.


    When St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori was convalescing, one of the religious came daily to read from The Glories of Mary to him as he rest in bed. He was very attentive to the readings and eventually exclaimed how well written the book is. He inquired as to who the author might have been.

    The religious replied, "Why Father, it is a book you wrote yourself. You are the author."

    "Funny, I don't recall having written it."

    Remember Saint Alphonsus was first a Lawyer, then a priest!   :judge:

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    « Reply #41 on: February 13, 2017, 08:53:08 PM »
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    I noticed  a book, "The Lions of Munster" by Fr. Daniel Utrecht, a Tan publisher book.  The priest  (?) is from Toronto Ontario.  Question do we know anything about Fr. Utrecht.  Will this book be ok to read?  I just hate getting books that appear to be ok and turn out to be on the side of Vatican II.

    I have one of those books, The Stolen Church by Fr. Virtue.  he took diary parts of a Russian priest in prison during the 40s?.  Published about 1978 and Fr. Virtue was not so full of Virtue.  Three years later he was up for molesting a boy or so.
    But the book was 2/3 's his words and 1/3 the diary and he ended the book in support of Vat. II.  

    I find Fulton Sheen is like that.  He never put "Fr." in his name, when he was "Fr."
    He would tell you all you wanted to know about communism and by chapter 6 he would give the "solution", pick the right candidate!  Not the Precious Blood of sacraments, no, pick a man!?  I was so disgusted I felt like throwing the book out.
    He writes well as a psychiatrist would but the solutions.  Come to find out he may have been a communist "sleeper".  Wouldn't surprise me!

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    « Reply #42 on: February 13, 2017, 09:23:11 PM »
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  • I've been reading Fr. Martin von Cochem's Die heilige Messe fur die Weltleute (TAN 1997 reprint in English is re-titled The Incredible Catholic Mass, 453pp. paperback, 10 copies $5 ea.). It was written in 1702 which is 74 years before America was born.

    There are a number of striking things about this fine book on the Sacrifice of the Mass, many of which exemplify most clearly the difference between the TLM and the Newmass.  However, the editor, Thomas A. Nelson, attempts to make it seem that all these things somehow apply to the Newmass as well as they do "to any Mass."

    One of its most instructive attributes in my opinion is Fr. von Cochem's habit of exemplification with stories from history, from other authors he has read. (I count approximately 40 such stories in the book, which were not indexed -- until I indexed them!) The first such story "hits the ground running" with this retelling of an incident from Cesar of Heisterbach, from the 12th century, who wrote about the pernicious Albigenses who appeared in France in those days.

    Note: while the following incident was first recorded over 500 years before it was retold here, it has only been 315 years since, and therefore we have some 200 more years to go to get to the same point of time between authors as had Fr. von Cochem experienced himself.  IOW Fr. von Cochem was just as much in the middle of the spiritually radioactive fallout from the Lutheran revolt as we are today, and just about as far removed from the start of the Albigensian heresy as we today are from the start of Luther's blasphemies.

    Quote from: Fr. Martin von Cochem

    At the commencement of the twelfth century, the impious Albigenses appeared in France; among other disgraceful tenets, they held marriage to be an unlawful state and encouraged profligacy. They did, it is true, take no exception to the celebration of solemn High Mass in the presence of a large assembly of people, but they would not tolerate Low Mass, at which but few persons assisted. In fact, they prohibited them, under pain of fines and imprisonment. In connection with these heretics, Casar of Heisterbach, who lived about the same time, relates the following incident:

    Although the Albigenses had forbidden priests, under heavy penalties, from saying Low Mass, a certain pious priest would not allow himself to be deterred by so unjust a prohibition from saying Mass privately. When this became known, he was arrested and brought before the council, who said to him:  "Information has reached us that, in defiance of our prohibition, you have said a Low Mass and committed a grave offense; we have therefore caused you to be brought before us to answer for yourself whether it is so."

    The priest instantly replied without any sign of fear: "I will answer in the words of the holy Apostles, who said, when it was inquired of them before the Jewish Council whether they had violated the law by preaching in the name of Christ, 'We ought to obey Christ rather than men'. (Acts 5:29). For this reason, therefore, in spite of your unjust prohibition, I said Mass to the honor of God and of His blessed Mother." The judges, greatly infuriated by this bold reply, condemned the pious priest to have his tongue torn out in the presence of all the people.

    The priest suffered this cruel sentence with the utmost patience; he went straight to the church his mouth yet bleeding, and kneeling humbly before the altar at which he had said Mass, poured out his complaint to the Mother of God. Being unable any longer to speak with his tongue, he raised his heart to her with all the more fervor, entreating her that his tongue might be restored to him. So urgent was his supplication that the Blessed Mother of God appeared to him and with her own hand replaced his tongue in his mouth, saying that it was given back to him for the sake of the honor he had paid to God the Lord and to her by saying Mass, and exhorting him diligently to make use of it in that manner for the future.

    After returning heartfelt thanks to his benefactress, the priest returned to the assembled people and showed them that his tongue had been given back to him, thus putting to confusion the obstinate heretics and all who had displayed hostility to the Holy Mass.

    The words of the blessed Father Cesar, in the preface to the little book whence this story is taken, allow of no doubt as to its truth. "I take God to witness," he says, "that I have inserted nothing in this work but what I have seen with my own eyes or heard from the lips of men who would sooner die than utter a falsehood." Wherefore this true story ought to convince all who think otherwise that the Holy Mass is especially pleasing to the most high God.


    Fr. Martin von Cochem (author of dozens of such books most of which have never been translated from the original German) follows this amazing story with writing from his own experience living in Germany among many Lutherans, explaining the sad plight of those heretics who so vehemently opposed the Mass no less than did the perfidious Albigenses of 5 centuries before.  Keep in mind, while the Albigenses had not endured intact during those 5 centuries, the Lutherans have managed to do so during the 5 centuries preceeding our own time, and continue unaffected especially by the current Catholic hierarchy.  What he writes here is strangely just as relevant today as it was in his time, 315 years ago:

    Quote from: Fr. Martin von Cochem

    From the days of the Apostles until the present time, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass has had no more vehement opponent than the unhappy Martin Luther, who not only attacked, but denounced this divine mystery. He did not do this of himself, nor when he first apostatized, but at a later period, and at the instigation of the devil. In fact the deluded man himself acknowledges in his writings that his teaching comes from the devil, and only at the suggestion of the evil one has he abolished the Mass as "an act of idolatry," although he must have known full well that the devil is the hater of all that is good and teaches mankind naught but what is evil.  Besides, Luther might have considered that, if the Mass were idolatrous, the devil would not oppose it, much less desire that it should be done away with;  on the contrary, he would promote it and praise it because the more Masses were said, the more acts of idolatry would be committed and the greater dishonor would be done to the most high God.

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    « Reply #43 on: February 13, 2017, 09:59:04 PM »
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    I noticed  a book, "The Lions of Munster" by Fr. Daniel Utrecht, a Tan publisher book.  The priest  (?) is from Toronto Ontario.  Question do we know anything about Fr. Utrecht.  Will this book be ok to read?  I just hate getting books that appear to be ok and turn out to be on the side of Vatican II.

    I have one of those books, The Stolen Church by Fr. Virtue.  he took diary parts of a Russian priest in prison during the 40s?.  Published about 1978 and Fr. Virtue was not so full of Virtue.  Three years later he was up for molesting a boy or so.
    But the book was 2/3 's his words and 1/3 the diary and he ended the book in support of Vat. II.  

    I find Fulton Sheen is like that.  He never put "Fr." in his name, when he was "Fr."
    He would tell you all you wanted to know about communism and by chapter 6 he would give the "solution", pick the right candidate!  Not the Precious Blood of sacraments, no, pick a man!?  I was so disgusted I felt like throwing the book out.
    He writes well as a psychiatrist would but the solutions.  Come to find out he may have been a communist "sleeper".  Wouldn't surprise me!

    I've never heard of Fr. Virtue or Fr. Daniel Utrecht. Sorry.  There are so many great authors you shouldn't waste your time on questionable ones.

    If it's a TAN book it might be okay, but KEEP IN MIND, that TAN has been taken over by Protestants so who knows what to expect anymore!!!![/i]

    If you have any TAN books published before 2004, you can find a title list in the back pages, so use that to check whether any prospective books were dated before the Prots took over the farm.

    Another one to be cautious with is Malachi Martin. He was quite progressive and tried to appeal to modern sensibilities, but in so doing a lot of what he wrote was frankly salacious and scandalous.  I was unable to finish Hostage to the Devil, and I never tried to read Windswept House.  I managed to read Jesuits and one other of his books, though. When the author gets into too much lurid detail about impurity and demonic themes it serves to me more toward distraction and inclination toward sin, so I have to steer clear.

    My impression of Bishop Sheen is mixed.  He had a very popular TV show before Vat.II, but he went whole hog in favor of the revolution -- at least for a while. There are severe criticisms of how he governed his flock. One woman related the story of how she had seen him alone on a passenger train near the end of his life, and she spoke to him, when he confessed to her that he regretted not having stood up for the Traditional Church and the Mass of Ages, but that it was too late. Apparently when he started to make waves in Newchurch, he was quickly marginalized, and died a broken man. I read a recent report that says two different locales are arguing over possession of his remains, and neither one of them is the place where he said he wanted to be buried in his will.

    If you have not read The Glories of Mary, perhaps it's time!  Another great book by Liguori is Preparation for Death, which is right on time for Lent this year! Reading that book put a whole new focus on life for me.  A recurring theme in it is that of final perseverance. He explains that the grace for final perseverance is something that no one can merit in this life, but that we can get pretty close to achieving its merit by supplication, but it takes a lifetime of constancy once you make the decision to pursue this goal.

    This ties in with something I read in the Raccolta, where it has indulgences after each prayer.  After the Angele dei prayer (Angel of God, my guardian dear...), it says that by praying this prayer DAILY for the rest of you life you can merit (provided you meet the standard prerequisites) a plenary indulgence at the moment of death. But there are fine points to be aware of, such as the necessity to relinquish all attachment to sin before you can be eligible for any plenary indulgence.

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    « Reply #44 on: February 13, 2017, 11:40:16 PM »
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    I noticed  a book, "The Lions of Munster" by Fr. Daniel Utrecht, a Tan publisher book.  The priest  (?) is from Toronto Ontario.  Question do we know anything about Fr. Utrecht.  Will this book be ok to read?  I just hate getting books that appear to be ok and turn out to be on the side of Vatican II.



    About the Author
    Father Daniel Utrecht is a priest of the Oratory of St Philip Neri, Toronto. He is a graduate of the University of Dallas (B.A., Philosophy), and the University of Toronto (Ph.D., philosophy). He joined the Oratory in 1980 and was ordained to the priesthood in 1985. Father teaches in St Philip's Seminary, directed by the Fathers of the Oratory, and is Pastor of St Vincent de Paul Church in Toronto. Previous publications include a translation of a biography of St Philip Neri, Philip Neri: The Fire of Joy by Paul Türks.

    His topic is pre-Vat 2 so it is probably safe to read it.

    I am presently reading Stories and Miracles of Our Lady of Good Success by Marian Therese Horvath, truly a book for our time.

     

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