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Offline jvk

Re: Spelling Challenge
« Reply #80 on: December 28, 2018, 08:20:11 AM »
Yes, but I think this is a case where common usage would take precedence over correctness!  If you said 12 am, but really meant 12 noon...people would think you were confused or just made a simple mistake!  

Re: Spelling Challenge
« Reply #81 on: December 28, 2018, 09:17:38 AM »
I am with jvk on this one. I have never heard anyone say "12 am" and mean Midday or "12 pm" to mean Midnight. It's not hard to imagine folks down here would consider a person confused or crazy to use such terminology.

To be honest, Nadir, this is the first I've heard of this concept. Unless it was just forgotten, dumped knowledge. 🤔

"Very interesting! I shall do my best to forget it." - Sherlock Holmes


It's "M."!/Re: Spelling Challenge
« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2018, 01:04:04 PM »

One often sees confusion or feels confusion on this issue of how to label midday.

Yes, but it's quite surprising--and even more disappointing--to see such confusion propagated in CathInfo, where readers should be able to expect that members whose postings are intended as corrections would refer to Latin, the sacred language of Roman Catholicism, when appropriate.  As it is herein.


My reasoning tells me that 12 noon is one hour after 11 am and so should called 12am, but to be correct and avoid confusion I would say 12 am or   12 noon.

It doesn't become pm or afternoon untill   after 12 am .  12.01 pm is one minute after 12 am or   noon.

ArrrGH!  NoooOOOOOO!

Noon is exactly "MERĪDIĒ" (m. ablative-of-time), contracted from "MEDIŌ DIĒ", meaning "midday",  and properly abbreviated as "M."--no "A." and no "P."!   Awareness of this set the explicit U.S. federal standard until recently [†].

The familiar "A." abbreviates the Latin preposition "ANTE", meaning "before"; the familiar "P." abbreviates the Latin preposition "POST", meaning "after" (each preposition taking the accusative case).  Is it really necessary for me to point out that in any natural reckoning of time,  "noon" is neither "before noon", nor "after noon"?


I think this is a case where common usage would take precedence over correctness!  If you said 12 am, but really meant 12 noon ... people would think you were confused or just made a simple mistake! 

A fine example of nonsense in defense of ignorance and ambiguity!  That which is correct can be looked up in a credible prescriptive reference source.  Whereas whatever are the most common usages of the moment can't always be--perhaps to avoid propagating ignorance--and may change with each arriving generation.  Maintaining & using that which is correct is the simplest way toward preventing or eliminating confusion when attempting to convey thoughts or ideas accurately.

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Note †: The change away from straightforward Latin would fit the overt hostility to Western Civilization for which the Obama Administration was notorious (less so the Clinton Administration).

Re: Spelling Challenge
« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2018, 05:25:40 PM »
I am pleased to see you are correcting me. Thank you, Alligator for clarifying and correcting. I see now that 00.00 and 12.00 are neither a.m. nor p.m. I had not given sufficient thought to it.

Re: Spelling Challenge
« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2018, 05:32:15 PM »
Yes, but I think this is a case where common usage would take precedence over correctness!  If you said 12 am, but really meant 12 noon...people would think you were confused or just made a simple mistake!  
Common usage can be correct or incorrect.
That's like saying "everybody does does it so it must be OK". I know you wouldn't say that to your children, when it comes to doing wrong. Not that this is a moral issue. But it is always better to clear/correct in what you say than to be unclear/incorrect.