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Offline JoanScholastica

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Something about this particular Crucifix
« on: March 16, 2008, 05:13:42 PM »
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    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2008, 06:32:55 PM »
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  • Interesting question. Wonder if anyone can answer it... It's kind of like the thing about the crucifixes, where the head is leaning to the left or to the right.
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi


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    « Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 02:28:06 AM »
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  • Most of the Cross I've encountered (as well as those in my home) are leaning to the right. Though if I'm not mistaken, the movie Passion leaned to the left. And if I'm correct, then I wonder which one's right... For sure, Mel Gibson had copied it somewhere (perhaps a reliable source as well).

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    « Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 08:39:00 AM »
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  • I'm not an expert at the different opinions on how (precisely) Jesus was crucified --

    But I think we can safely say the "discrepancy" has to do with the fact that CNN wasn't around during the Crucifixion -- neither were any other photographers, for that matter.

    I think tradition says one thing, and some private revelations might say another thing.

    You don't have to worry about it being bad or heretical, though. The crucifix you showed us (above) is perfectly acceptable.

    HOWEVER -- there IS a controversy about the crucifix used by our last pope. Apparently it is NOT a good thing at all. In fact, the "bent" or "broken" cross was used by Satanists and black magicians to depict Jesus and the crucifixion.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 12, 2008, 08:42:53 AM »
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  • Here are some pictures of John Paul II's "broken cross"

    You can probably google "broken cross" to read about the controversy surrounding it.

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    « Reply #5 on: May 12, 2008, 08:45:19 AM »
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  • I found this:

    [1] Please notice the Crucifix that Pope John Paul II is holding up to the people. Study it closely, and you will realize that it is not a Traditional Crucifix, as illustrated below. Rather, this Crucifix is known as a "Bent Cross". But, what does that mean? For the answer to that question, let us turn to a Roman Catholic author, Piers Compton, writing in his book, "The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican", Channel Islands, Neville Spearman, 1981.

    [2] This Bent Crucifix is "... a sinister symbol, used by Satanists in the sixth century, that had been revived at the time of Vatican Two. This was a bent or broken cross, on which was displayed a repulsive and distorted figure of Jesus, which the black magicians and sorcerers of the Middle Ages had made use of to represent the Biblical term 'Mark of the Beast'. Yet, not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ." (p. 72) On page 56 Compton prints a picture of the current Pope, John Paul II, holding this bent or broken cross, just as show at the right.

    [3] Therefore, Pope John Paul II is telling all the occultists the world over that he is NOT a Traditional Pope, but a Pope that is committed to carrying out the role of World Religious Leader as called for in the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr Plan. Another Roman Catholic /Jєωιѕн author, the IN-famous, slimy and spineless viper, Jesuits 'double agent' and 'priest spy' Malachi Martin [01][A must read 02][photo], makes this same claim - that Pope John Paul II is committed to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr Plan in his book: "The Keys To This Blood".

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    [4] Since a picture is worth a thousand words, the Traditional Christian Crucifix is illustrated at the right. As you can see, the wooden cross here is NOT bent in any way, top to bottom. Further, the picture of Jesus is a full figure without any kind of distortion or disfiguration. The Traditional Roman Catholic Crucifix is very different from the 'Satanic Bent Cross', shown at the right with the pope.

    [5] Dr. Martin Luther protested and objected to the Traditional Crucifix, because it holds Jesus up to continual shame, which is forbidden in Hebrews 6:6. Indeed, this is the basis upon which Dr. Martin Luther objected to the entire Mass.

    [6] As you can see, the Crucifix which Pope John Paul II is holding up to adoring crowds is NOT the Traditional Crucifix, but is the Bent, or Broken, Satanic Cross!

    [7] This Bent Crucifix was created exclusively by Satanists to depict Antichrist and his Mark of the Beast!
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    « Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 05:50:40 PM »
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  • Thanks Chant... This is truly disturbing. All I know was that I disgusted that papal Cross but I never knew that it was created by satanists. Can you give me the link?

    By the way, what does the papal Cross look like before Pope Paul VI, may I ask?

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    « Reply #7 on: May 25, 2008, 03:46:52 PM »
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    For the answer to that question, let us turn to a Roman Catholic author, Piers Compton, writing in his book, "The Broken Cross: Hidden Hand In the Vatican", Channel Islands, Neville Spearman, 1981.


    A work which I felt was highly vitriolic and which at one point gave a photograph of someone looking like the previous Pope in shorts and string vest with a lady and child, claimed to be his secret mistress and offspring. Yet, on the equally acrimonous "Tradition, Family, Property" website, the same photograph is used to illustrate John Paul II's supposed behavior amongst a group of friends as a Cardinal.

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    Another Roman Catholic /Jєωιѕн author, the IN-famous, slimy and spineless viper, Jesuits 'double agent' and 'priest spy' Malachi Martin [01][A must read 02][photo], makes this same claim - that Pope John Paul II is committed to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr Plan in his book: "The Keys To This Blood".


    More rancor, and this time directed against a priest. Not good.

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    ...not only Paul VI, but his successors, the two John-Pauls, carried that object and held it up to be revered by crowds, who had not the slightest idea that it stood for anti-Christ.


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    herefore, Pope John Paul II is telling all the occultists the world over that he is NOT a Traditional Pope, but a Pope that is committed to carrying out the role of World Religious Leader as called for in the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr Plan.


    So which is it to be? Or is the first quote merely more sarcasm?

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    Dr. Martin Luther protested and objected to the Traditional Crucifix, because it holds Jesus up to continual shame, which is forbidden in Hebrews 6:6. Indeed, this is the basis upon which Dr. Martin Luther objected to the entire Mass.


    Was this written by a Protestant then? In that case, it explains the gross irreverence towards the Priesthood.

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    « Reply #8 on: May 25, 2008, 04:07:54 PM »
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    Dr. Martin Luther protested and objected to the Traditional Crucifix, because it holds Jesus up to continual shame, which is forbidden in Hebrews 6:6. Indeed, this is the basis upon which Dr. Martin Luther objected to the entire Mass.


    Was this written by a Protestant then? In that case, it explains the gross irreverence towards the Priesthood.


    Rumbled! I've found the full article here.

    Here's a bit:

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    We Protestants have always objected to the Traditional Crucifix, because it holds Jesus Christ up to continual shame, which is forbidden in Hebrews 6:6. Indeed, this is the basis upon which we Protestants object to the entire Mass, but that is the subject of another article.



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    « Reply #9 on: May 25, 2008, 04:14:20 PM »
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  • Cutting Edge! I've come across them before. I remember one article on how vegetarianism was a secret plot to further the cause of the One-world government, although I don't remember how they justified it!

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    « Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 03:26:34 AM »
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    « Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 04:23:41 AM »
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  • Thanks Alex, that answers a few questions I had about the whole affair.

    In my investigations into Medieval religious ritual and practise I have never come across any visual representations of this cross. There are plenty of demons, disfigured crucifixes (often to demonstrate the nefarious purposes of Jєωs, oddly enough, but these appear around the Elizabethan period) and suchlike, but again, nothing like this cross.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 07:11:43 AM »
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  • Why not just say that the Vatican officials' new cross is as hideous and stupid and impious as the Vatican II New Pentecost itself?

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    « Reply #13 on: May 27, 2008, 04:42:22 PM »
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    Cutting Edge! I've come across them before. I remember one article on how vegetarianism was a secret plot to further the cause of the One-world government, although I don't remember how they justified it!


    That's highly disagreeable. Franciscan Minims are not only vegetarians but vegans as well.  

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    « Reply #14 on: May 27, 2008, 05:39:40 PM »
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  • Totally! I was using it as an example of how crazy their articles can be. I'm vegetarian myself.

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