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Offline Dulcamara

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« on: February 21, 2008, 01:39:45 PM »
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  • For those who didn't know, there is a lovely hobby at which you can have fun, be productive, and further Our Lady's cause all at once.

    Rosary making!

    There are two kinds of rosary making, for the most part. Making "string" or "cord" rosaries... popular among the missions for an inexpensive way to solve the need for rosaries in poor countries. (Also the only thing allowed in some prisons.) And then there is the kind that produces metal rosaries... that is, rosaries bound by metal parts.

    I have done this myself as a hobby when I could afford it, and loved doing it. I have actually done both kinds, but prefer the metal kind.

    Anyhow, this thread is for those who make rosaries and those who want to know more about it! Ask questions, share tips, give links to your resources and share info on beads and things you've worked with!

     A great hobby for any Catholic!
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    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2008, 01:45:42 PM »
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  • The Legion of Mary started up a Rosary Making class at our local SSPX chapel.

    I'm not sure what the turnout was, but it's good to see that there is that much interest.

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    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2008, 02:06:12 PM »
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  • Lewis and Company

    Lewis & Co. is where I buy my metal parts, and actually where I learned how to make rosaries... they used to give out a how-to sheet in the catalog, I think...

    Rosary Shop
    This is where I buy my beads.


    The reason I buy my things at two different places is because (at least at the time... it may be different now but...) Lewis & Co sells these little bags with everything you need as far as metal parts, (not the crucifix & center, but the chain and what not) for around a dollar or two if I remember correctly. Their beads, however, tend to be cheap, and their selection small.

    Rosary Shop has all kinds of beads... any kind you'd want, just about... but many of their crucifixes and centers are kinda... "modern" ... Lewis & Co has some decent crucifixes and centers. One of the two sells (or did anyhow) a very attractive pardon crucifix which I put on the rosary I always have with me.

    I just find there are things I prefer at one place over the other. But for beads, if nothing else, Rosary Shop is your place, and for  other things, Lewis is better.

    My personal favorite in beads, is this bead at the Rosary Shop, called "fossil beads." From what I understand, they are actually made of crushed bone. They come in all kinds of colors, make a very heavy/substantial rosary, and have a 'vain' look like marble. As good beads go, they're not even that expensive.

    The finish on the fossil beads does chip off, and then the dye used gets on the hands if it gets wet or if you hold it too long, BUT... while you'd think that'd ruin the rosary, it really does not. I have had a rosary made of them for a few years now, and though the finish has come off some of the beads, I use only this rosary most of the time, and... interestingly enough... it still looks good. You wouldn't think so, but because of the natural imperfections of it's color and design, when the finish comes off and the dye, what you get is a look not unlike the bead's natural imperfections, only brighter. So actually, even with lots of wear, this rosary's beads still look good, even though they've got 'light spots' now. Someone who didn't know they were once totally dark, would probably not even notice the wear, unless they looked at it very closely.

     It's my favorite bead, and I'm betting it would sell pretty well too for those who do this as a business. A beautiful rosary! Heavy and of a good size when it's done. I use 4 to 5 link chain pieces between the decades and Our Father beads, and standard eye pins for 8mm beads. I tend to use cloisonne beads for the Our Father beads for a ladies rosary... the result is quite beautiful and rich. You can make that rosary for under $20... in fact, probably for under $15... not counting shipping, including beads, metal parts, center and crucifix of regular metal, and the price of the more expensive (40 cent) cloisonne beads included.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 21, 2008, 06:19:40 PM »
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  •  In your first picture... that's an interesting style. Did you use wire, I assume? I'd never thought of doing it that way, before, but it has a unique charm to it. It's particularly interesting because, in normal wear, the first thing to suffer in a rosary's appearance is the chain links between the beads.

     Do you do all of yours like that, or do you sometimes use the old chain & eye pin method?
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    « Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 07:06:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: Four_Marks


    This is highly technical business! I'm looking forward to any segment on "Rosary repair 101".  :smile:


    >puts on best professional clerk air< "What seems to be the problem, sir?"

     Ok, seriously... you would be surprised at how easy it is to repair a rosary. Even if you're missing  chain parts, you can get them VERY cheap, or even, if you have some old broken Jєωelry from the wife or daughters laying around, you can sometimes salvage what you need from anything that has metal parts holding it together. For the chain, just try to get chain approximately the same size, count the number of links of another, whole piece of chain on your rosary, and then trim that many links off of the chain for repairs, and use that.

     What you will need, quite simply, is a pair of Jєωeler's pliers, or basically, a pliers with round, pointy tips. (Like two thin cones.) Look on Lewis & Company's page for a picture of them, and find something similar at a craft store. Some of these have a wire cutters built into them. Otherwise you may need one of those too.

     Most rosaries are made with tiny sections of very fine chain (between the Our Father beads) and what's called eye pins... basically a piece of metal that has it's ends twisted into loops. (Think a dumbbell shape.) The decades are simply beads on these eye pins joined together... there's no chain in the decades.

     If the problem is a broken chain, just find something as similar as possible, or buy some from somewhere like a craft store or one of the rosary supplies places above. A bag of all of the chain and eye pins for an entire rosary is only a couple dollars on Lewis & Company. You could do a LOT of repairs for that.

     If the loops of one or more of the eye pins have been bent, that special pliers should make it very easy to fix. If the eye pin has broken, again, just get a set from Lewis & Co or something, and get the directions how to make rosaries from Lewis & Co's catalog (I think they still have it in there), which has easy to understand pictures... Once you see it, you should understand pretty well how to fix the broken pin.

    It's a LOT less complex than it sounds, really. If you could see the instructions, you'd get it right away.

     By the way... if you break a more expensive rosary, silver or gold or the like, or even loose a fancy cap, you should be able to replace those parts from those websites too, at least with something similar. Rosary Shop, in fact, I think even sells those fancy rose beads.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 08:10:16 PM »
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  •  I haven't tried that one. Unfortunately, I have so many things to do already. My latest fad is playing Go against myself. Who knows what may be next.

    If someone here makes scapulars though, and wants to discuss it, it'd be great to have that thread here. I usually fix mine a couple times before getting a new one. When one is not well to do, one begins to see waste everywhere!
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    « Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 10:20:01 PM »
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  •  Well, maybe you could try it sometime. ^_^

     Rosaries are pretty easy to make. It just takes patience and practice. (When you start, the loop you have to make to close the eye pins for each bead can be accidentally left open or crooked... but as you get used to doing it, you figure out just how to make it.) I recommend it for anybody who has patience (all those beads...), even if they only do it for gifts or something.

     It's kind of repetitious, but some people (like me) find that sort of thing relaxing.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008, 01:24:48 PM »
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  • The fire mountain gems link is broken. You need another w in the address there! I'll check it out when you fix it, though!
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    « Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 11:18:16 PM »
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  •  Well, one of the first things one runs into when trying rosary making, are the imperfect loops... that is, when you're making the second loop of an eye pin after putting the bead on, trying to make a nice loop after it out of that strait pin.

    Practice makes perfect, but here's a couple tips... holding the ready-made loop so that it's flat (horizontal) between your fingers, after you put the bead on, use the fingers of your other hand to hold the bead against the ready-made loop, and bend the straight or open side of the pin so that it points straight down, or even so that it's bent back in a little toward the ready made side. You want to end up with the ready-made loop still straight out (not bent down), so be careful.

    Once you have your open side bent straight down, the bead isn't going anywhere. Now you can worry about making that perfect loop. You should be able to make a great loop virtually in one motion. You're going to grab the very end of the straight or open side, and aim to twist it around the tip of the pliers... basically, using the pliers tip as a 'mold' to shape it. That's probably basic, but... HERE is the pointer:

    Find the sweet spot on your rosary pliers!! Before you get started, take your pliers (presuming that yours have a perfectly round tip... no flat side on the inside), and stick the tip of one side through the already made loop of one of your eye pins. See how far down it slides? That's approximately the "sweet spot" or else it's a microscopic fraction above it. Theoretically, if you grab the open side about that far down on your pliers (or a smidge lower) you should be able to twist it up, and with virtually one smooth motion, get a perfectly molded loop that more or less matches the first.

    So what you're doing is, paying close attention to how far down that straight pin is between the tips of your pliers when you go to make your second loop. If you grab it in the right place... that is, with the pin just far enough down between the tips, but not too far, you should get a loop that is perfectly formed and about the same size as the other. It takes practice, but this is what you're looking for if you want to make virtually perfect loops.

    By bending the pin down like I said, you're cutting out the task of having to fix or bend down the loop you made in order for it to be even. If you don't bend it first, your pin will naturally end up in the shape of a lower case d laying on it's side ... flat with an upwards loop. If you bend the pin down (or even a tiny bit farther down/back than that) when you finish twisting the pin into it's second loop, that loop should line up pretty much in the center with the hole in the bead (more like a lollipop than a d). AND... if you hold the bead so the ready made loop is horizontal, the loop you form should end up vertical... thus ideal for the naturally linking pattern of the rosary.

    Grabbing the pin too far up the tip of your pliers will result in what I affectionately call a "lemon" ... a midget loop or something generally misshapen. Grabbing it too far down will make the loop too big. Also if you grab it too hard, you will mar the pin! These things become second nature with a bit of practice.

    To get it closer to one motion, rather than grabbing the tip like you want to naturally, twist your wrist so that you're grabbing it "upside down" (or opposite the natural way). That twist of your wrist turning right side up SHOULD be enough to make a complete, or near complete loop.

    OTHER TIPS:

    When you're putting the crucifix on, I find it necessary often to adjust the number of links between the Our Father bead and the crucifix, in order to get the cross to lay flat (facing the same way naturally as the centerpiece does, without turning sideways). I think it's the best form to make sure the cross naturally hangs straight forward along with the centerpiece, and not turning to the side.

    When you've finished making the whole string of decades for the main part of the rosary, hook one end to the centerpiece (with an o ring... a little metal ring) and then hook a slightly open o-ring through the other loop on the centerpiece... open just enough so it won't fall off easily, but so that you can easily hook the chain through. THEN...  hold up the rosary by the centerpiece. Let the string of beads hang completely loose in the air, without touching anything. When it stops spinning or swinging, take hold gently of the first bead from the centerpiece, and, continuing to let the string hang in open air, run your fingers straight down the string, in order to work out any kinks or twists in the chain, and to straighten the string of beads and chain completely. You can repeat once or twice if you want. For the final time, when your fingers get to the end of the string, hold the string just taut (by the centerpiece and last bead of the string), until with as little twisting as possible, you bring the end around to the centerpiece, and slip the chain (hopefully straight) through the open o-ring and close it.

    This is how you get a rosary that doesn't twist up or kink all of the time. If you have a rosary that does, you may be able to fix it by doing this. Kinks are often caused by a twist somewhere in the chain... and with nowhere to go, that twist can lock up or twist up the beads.

    In a repair, when you end up with two open ends attached to the centerpiece, you can do this by first joining the open pieces together with the repair, and then unhooking one side from the centerpiece, and following the steps above.

    ... Sometimes I wish I had a web cam... it'd be much easier to show this than explaining it!
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    « Reply #9 on: March 01, 2008, 07:07:19 PM »
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  • By the way, here is the link to "how to make rosaries" from Lewis & Co.:

    How to Make Rosaries
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    « Reply #10 on: March 01, 2008, 07:58:04 PM »
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  • I just found this site... an excellent bead resource apparently.

    Jєωelry Supply

    Haven't ordered from them yet though. -Edit- Likewise the one below it, which seems to have an incredible selection.

    Fire Mountain Gems
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  • Since I have no digital camera, I decided to scan these rosaries. Worked pretty well actually! ^_^ (Hope I didn't scratch the glass though!)




    Anyways, these are some rosaries I made. The heart one was made, I think, with parts entirely from Lewis & Company. The Turquoise one was made with a pardon crucifix I bought somewhere, and fossil beads from Rosary Shop. The centerpiece of that one was from Lewis & Co... my favorite base metal center from there. The heart one is glass beads with metal pieces. Rather light, but nice. The fossil bead rosary is VERY HEAVY! One of the things I absolutely love about the fossil beads is how heavy the rosary is. The Our Fathers are cloisonne (or however you spell it) also from Rosary Shop... they carry lots of colors of the fossil beads now.

    The color tends to come off on your hands with the fossil beads, once the finish wears/chips away. I carried mine in my pocket for a long time, and used it a lot... so this is how it looks after it's been through unusually rough use. Interestingly enough, the color on the beads looks natural, even with the light spots, because of the beads' original look. So this is a rosary that, as I think I said before, even ages/wears well.

    The middle rosary was made from beads from fusionbeads.com. These are glass beads, but the quality on this lot was very nice. I'm rather hung up on the clarity or quality of glass beads when I  buy them, and these are very clear. These are two-tone beads, I think they called them "nugget" shaped. What I liked was that the two shades of pink remind me of roses, and the shape of the bead also reminds me of a rosebud. The cross and center on this one was from Our Lady's Rosary Makers, I think... The center was, I'm pretty sure. It didn't turn out quite as nicely as I would have liked, because it ended up being rather light in weight. But it is the rosary I am using now.

    The chain is the only odd thing on these three (except for the pardon crucifix used on the fossil bead rosary, which I bought from some random religious goods site.) I have favored Lewis & Co's chain (see the heart rosary), but I tend to collect the chain from pretty much wherever. Which means some of the chain I've used has probably been from a necklace or what have you. The chain on the fossil bead rosary is very thick, and also rather heavy. I'm not certain, but I think I used the rest of it for the middle rosary.



    This one I made more with a guy in mind. (The colored center was the only kind I had so... had to make due.) These are (pressed) glass beads from fusionbeads.com, and again, what I think is a pardon crucifix from OL's Rosary Makers. The Our Fathers are from Rosary Shop, and are made of Onyx (EXPENSIVE! >_<) ... I bought them because they were the only 10 (?) mm beads in black that I could find with which to repair Chant's rosary. I had to use the originals to reconstruct the part from the cross to the medal. So I ended up with several spares, and used them on this project. Nice and heavy. And the chain was so big and so thick, I could barely cut it with my wire cutters. ^___^ I just love this chain, but it was 'scrap' from an unknown source, so I doubt if I'll ever find anything quite like it again. Just awesome.

    I just wanted to share these with those who enjoy/appreciate rosary making, as an example of what I've been doing with the craft, and also to show some of the nice things I've found on various stores online.

    By the way... if anyone has had experience working with crystal beads, I'd love to know how they turn out weight-wise with standard base metal or average gauge silver chain. I can't afford it anytime soon, but... one can always dream, right?

    I think the beads on the two-tone rosary were around $12 all by themselves for the "exotic" make. And that was without spares. Usually you want to get some extra beads if you can help it, because almost always there are defective beads, and in this industry I don't think you're going to get replacements very easily. And some beads' color changes with the lot.
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