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Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Matthew on August 11, 2014, 07:40:38 PM
(CNN) -- Oscar-winning actor and comedian Robin Williams apparently took his own life at his Northern California home Monday, law enforcement officials said. Williams was 63.
"He has been battling severe depression of late," his media representative Mara Buxbaum told CNN. "This is a tragic and sudden loss. The family respectfully asks for their privacy as they grieve during this very difficult time."
Coroner investigators suspect "the death to be a ѕυιcιdє due to asphyxia," according to a statement from the Marin County, California, Sheriff's office.
Williams married graphic designer Susan Schneider in Napa Valley, California, ceremony in October 2011. Schneider sent a written statement to CNN through the representative.
 Williams' wife: I am utterly heartbroken Larry King: Williams was one-of-a-kind
"This morning, I lost my husband and my best friend, while the world lost one of its most beloved artists and beautiful human beings. I am utterly heartbroken.
"On behalf of Robin's family, we are asking for privacy during our time of profound grief. As he is remembered, it is our hope the focus will not be on Robin's death, but on the countless moments of joy and laughter he gave to millions."
Word of Williams' death stunned the entertainment community Monday.
Comedian Steve Martin tweeted, "I could not be more stunned by the loss of Robin Williams, mensch, great talent, acting partner, genuine soul."
Former CNN host Larry King said he would he remember Williams as "a genuine caring guy.  Not just a funny man, but a guy who cared about people."
Marin County deputies responded to an emergency call from Williams' home in unincorporated Tiburon, California, at 11:55 a.m., reporting "a male adult had been located unconscious and not breathing," the release from the sheriff said.
Williams was pronounced dead at 12:02 p.m., it said.
Williams was last seen alive at his home, where he lives with his wife, at about 10 a.m., the sheriff's statement said.
"An investigation into the cause, manner and circuмstances of the death is currently underway by the Investigations and Coroner Divisions of the Sheriff's Office," the sheriff's statement said.
"Coroner Division suspects the death to be a ѕυιcιdє due to asphyxia, but a comprehensive investigation must be completed before a final determination is made."
An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday, the sheriff said.
Williams made at least two trips to rehab for drug treatment, including a visit this summer, and he underwent heart surgery in 2009.
Williams, born in Chicago on July 21, 1951, studied theater at Juilliard School before taking his stand up act to nightclubs. He was cast as Mork, an alien visitor to Earth, for a 1974 episode of television's "Happy Days."
The role led to the spin-off show "Mork & Mindy," which showcased Williams' usual comic improvisation talents.
He proved his dramatic acting skills in "Good Will Hunting," a 1997 film that earned him a best supporting actor Oscar.
Williams credited the influence of Jonathan Winters' comic irreverence and quirky characters as a great influence on his comedy. The connection between the two was completed when Winters was cast as Williams' son on "Mork & Mindy."
When Winters died in 2012, Williams said he was "my idol, then he was my mentor and amazing friend." He tweeted that Winters was his "Comedy Buddha."
Williams' fans can look forward to four more movie appearances coming to theaters, including another installment in the "Night at the Museum" franchise.
The film, set for a December release, has Williams reprising the Teddy Roosevelt role he delivered in the first two comedies.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Matthew on August 11, 2014, 07:41:37 PM
R.I.P.

I wasn't very fond of him or his works.

He seemed to be very anti-religious and/or anti-Catholic, and also very pro-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

He had lots of movies with gαy or cross-dressing themes.

And remember, actors of his caliber often DIRECT or WRITE as well as star in some of their big movies.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: trickster on August 11, 2014, 07:46:28 PM
Yeah, the news of his death is very sad indeed.  Robin Williams  was the last person on earth I would of thought would kill himself.

The authorities in California are only saying ѕυιcιdє as a best guess, they need to complete their autopsy or whatever they do to confirm cause of death...but yeah it looks like ѕυιcιdє.

He will be remembered for the many hours of joy he brought us in Mork and Mindy as well as some of the other movies he put forward throughout the years.  I liked Mrs. Doubtfire ( i think that was the name) where he made a pretty cute nanny :)

It is a tragic ending to such a wonderful man who brought us joy and like his wife in her press release asked us, we should remember only the pleasure he brought to society through his craft.

I also believe it is a wake up call again to focus our attention on mental health issues and the real pain of fighting depression for a long time.

Bruce
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Matthew on August 11, 2014, 07:51:09 PM
I remember Patch Adams that had a pretty obscene part, as well as a scene where he was yelling angrily at God.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on August 11, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
Scandalous and sinful people such as Robin Williams who certainly will
be greeted with horror all the people he caused to be damned into
the eternal fire, is shocked that there is a really a HELL and there is
no way back to tell his friends if they continue their sinful ways
they will be likewise be damned in Hell forever. More of them that
fall into hell more his sufferings will be increased. Just like
Martin Luther, more people he caused to be damned because of his
heresies more his sufferings will be increased.  This is an another
reason not to go along with the novus ordo new religion.
If you want to be a true Traditional Catholic, Do not have a TV, a
Radio, go to the movies, and the Broadway plays. They are full of
sins and are engines of eternal damnation.

Why are these Priests watching that Demon Box they call the TV
at their Sunday Sermons, and dare watch TV when they think
they are safe from their Parishioners.  Except a Jєωιѕн Photographer
from Chicago's most Jєωιѕн rag.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 11, 2014, 10:47:58 PM
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on August 12, 2014, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 12, 2014, 01:22:18 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:    
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 2Vermont on August 12, 2014, 06:05:54 AM
Quote from: GJC
Quote from: poche
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:    



It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. Williams was Episcopalian, some even say he was an atheist.

Jesus said: "I hear mine and mine hear me" and gave a direct order to be on watch at all times, because he would come like a thief in the night.

So any one who is a murderer (reported), heretic, adulterer, obviously disobeyed that direct order and was not watching because he did not hear Christ Jesus and therefore was not His.

It is a sign of the times that this has to be pointed out to so many.


I would also add that he committed ѕυιcιdє.  I'm guessing it's pretty darn difficult to have a perfect act of contrition at the same time as you are committing a mortal sin.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Domitilla on August 12, 2014, 06:58:20 AM
Poche, like so many other modern Catholics, suffers from "ignorance of things divine" (Pope Pius X Encyclical:  Acerbo Nimis).  Roman Catholic Doctrine must be carefully studied and learned.  Sentimental feelings can never pass for Truth.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: ggreg on August 12, 2014, 07:32:30 AM
Is it OK to make jokes when a comedian dies?

(Surely, they of all people would not mind).
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Matthew on August 12, 2014, 08:55:59 AM
True, generally speaking we should leave judgment to God and pray for the faithful departed.

But, on the other hand, we shouldn't demean our religion, as if it's not necessary, by offering solid or likely hope that a notorious sinner -- who died in the ultimate despair of ѕυιcιdє -- saved his soul.

The Church seems to agree: she refuses Catholic burial to ѕυιcιdєs as well as non-Catholics. So she agrees that there are average sinners who are "trying", and then there are PUBLIC, NOTORIOUS, UNREPENTANT SINNERS.

It's one of the dogmas of Liberalism that, "We're all sinners, right? So what does it matter? Notorious sodomites, militant atheists, serial killers, and each one of us -- we are all sinners before God."

Uh, no.  At least we sinners are A) not malicious, B) repentant, and C) trying. We're not willfully tempting God by remaining sin for months and years on end. We are trying to not multiply our mortal sins into a pile as tall as the Tower of Babel.

We must keep that balance.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: songbird on August 12, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
Reminds me of the tune, "Tears of a clown, when there's no one around."
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: MariaCatherine on August 12, 2014, 11:47:21 AM
Why is this OK
Quote from: Matthew
R.I.P.

But not this
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:

 :confused1:
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 2Vermont on August 12, 2014, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: ggreg
Is it OK to make jokes when a comedian dies?

(Surely, they of all people would not mind).


First thing I thought of was the Family Guy episode railing on Robin Williams.  When I tried to find that online, I found this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/robin-williams-family-guy-episode-about-a-ѕυιcιdє-attempt-aired-on-bbc-three-as-news-of-actors-death-broke-9664290.html

Wow.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 2Vermont on August 12, 2014, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: MariaCatherine
Why is this OK
Quote from: Matthew
R.I.P.

But not this
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:

 :confused1:


That's a fair question.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: MyrnaM on August 12, 2014, 02:52:58 PM
I was very annoyed to hear one of the commentators today actually say, "Today the angels in heaven are  laughing at his jokes with him there, while  in Hollywood they mourn his death."

Although I fear greatly for his soul, as a Catholic we dare not say without a doubt he lost his.    Insanity perhaps!  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on August 12, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
I doubt angels would laugh at any of the many obscene jokes he told, some of which were positively blasphemous. ѕυιcιdє is a mortal sin that is difficult to repent of as you commit it. May God have mercy on his soul, and save us all from falling into the kind of despair that precedes such actions.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 2Vermont on August 12, 2014, 05:55:29 PM
The latest:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/sheriff-reveals-new-details-of-robin-williams-ѕυιcιdє-181808746.html

Perhaps I'll get flamed for this, but as I read this all I could think was what a selfish, selfish man.  How is ѕυιcιdє anything but the most selfish act a person can make?
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: MyrnaM on August 12, 2014, 06:37:04 PM
Quote from: 2Vermont
The latest:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/sheriff-reveals-new-details-of-robin-williams-ѕυιcιdє-181808746.html

Perhaps I'll get flamed for this, but as I read this all I could think was what a selfish, selfish man.  How is ѕυιcιdє anything but the most selfish act a person can make?


I thought about this too, can you imagine doing that, (act if ѕυιcιdє) to your children, even if adults, they are still your children.  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 2Vermont on August 12, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: MyrnaM
Quote from: 2Vermont
The latest:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/sheriff-reveals-new-details-of-robin-williams-ѕυιcιdє-181808746.html

Perhaps I'll get flamed for this, but as I read this all I could think was what a selfish, selfish man.  How is ѕυιcιdє anything but the most selfish act a person can make?


I thought about this too, can you imagine doing that, (act if ѕυιcιdє) to your children, even if adults, they are still your children.  


Perhaps he thought they would be better off without him, but still.  Uggh.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: BTNYC on August 12, 2014, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: GJC


This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse.


That is a subjective judgment, reserved for God alone. You and I are not permitted to pronounce judgment in such matters.

Objective matters are different. We are free to say (and ought to say): Objectively, Robin Williams was not a Catholic, and was a public sinner. Objectively, he had no chance of salvation. Those judgments are acceptable to make.

The Church Herself never pronounces judgment on subjective matters, and never declares even the worst sinners and heretics to be "100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity." Don't arrogate to yourself authority that even Holy Mother Church Herself does not have.

Stick to objective judgment and leave subjective matters to God.

Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: trickster on August 12, 2014, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Scandalous and sinful people such as Robin Williams who certainly will
be greeted with horror all the people he caused to be damned into
the eternal fire, is shocked that there is a really a HELL and there is
no way back to tell his friends if they continue their sinful ways
they will be likewise be damned in Hell forever. More of them that
fall into hell more his sufferings will be increased. Just like
Martin Luther, more people he caused to be damned because of his
heresies more his sufferings will be increased.  This is an another
reason not to go along with the novus ordo new religion.
If you want to be a true Traditional Catholic, Do not have a TV, a
Radio, go to the movies, and the Broadway plays. They are full of
sins and are engines of eternal damnation.

Why are these Priests watching that Demon Box they call the TV
at their Sunday Sermons, and dare watch TV when they think
they are safe from their Parishioners.  Except a Jєωιѕн Photographer
from Chicago's most Jєωιѕн rag.


RomanCatholic1953.  I disagree with pretty well all of your statements, but it sparked a question in my head.

The church officially teaches that she cannot declare anyone to be in hell, including those who commit ѕυιcιdє.  The judgement is not up to us. Those who commit ѕυιcιdє cannot be said to be in their right mind, were they in fact exercising their free will to kill themselves.  As an example, those who want the right to end their lives at old age, would be people exercising their free will to end their lives...even then I am not sure that hell would not be so automatic.

Your beliefs around tv's etc. - technology in the modern world - seems to be a right wing born again belief.  Do you have the same beliefs about computers.. you are on the computer, and with all the porn you can get on internet, how do you explain your participation in computers (internet) yet you are opposed to TV with such great stations as Salt and Light, EWTN, etc.?  

Bruce
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: trickster on August 12, 2014, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.


Be very careful in what you are saying RomanCatholic1953.  "Judge not that ye not be judged".   I think Poche is right on.

Bruce
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: trickster on August 12, 2014, 09:20:58 PM
Quote from: Matthew
True, generally speaking we should leave judgment to God and pray for the faithful departed.

But, on the other hand, we shouldn't demean our religion, as if it's not necessary, by offering solid or likely hope that a notorious sinner -- who died in the ultimate despair of ѕυιcιdє -- saved his soul.

The Church seems to agree: she refuses Catholic burial to ѕυιcιdєs as well as non-Catholics. So she agrees that there are average sinners who are "trying", and then there are PUBLIC, NOTORIOUS, UNREPENTANT SINNERS.

It's one of the dogmas of Liberalism that, "We're all sinners, right? So what does it matter? Notorious sodomites, militant atheists, serial killers, and each one of us -- we are all sinners before God."

Uh, no.  At least we sinners are A) not malicious, B) repentant, and C) trying. We're not willfully tempting God by remaining sin for months and years on end. We are trying to not multiply our mortal sins into a pile as tall as the Tower of Babel.

We must keep that balance.


On the other hand, the bad thief was outside the church and Jesus brought him to heaven...it is possible to confess, cause the mortal sin of hanging started before the confession, so why wouldn't it be possible.  Many ѕυιcιdє are attempts because one can change one's mind before it's too late.

The men who killed Jesus should of gone to hell by all that was held as sacred, yet what did Our Lord do, he asked God to forgive them....despite God's commandments about murderers.  So to pray for a person who is committed ѕυιcιdє or done any of the other sins, Jesus himself would of prayerd for their forgivenes....what about the patriarchs in the Old Testament that asked God to change his mind.  What is the role of Our Lady, if it is not to interceed for us when we technically should be condemned to hell....

The position of extremists on the legal aspects of the commandments and what the church teaches forgets the overriding of love and forgiveness....God himself is not bound to the rules of His church, he can and does what he wants, so therefore to interceed for sinners, is that not we are all about...

Bruce
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: trickster on August 12, 2014, 09:29:51 PM
Quote from: 2Vermont
The latest:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/sheriff-reveals-new-details-of-robin-williams-ѕυιcιdє-181808746.html

Perhaps I'll get flamed for this, but as I read this all I could think was what a selfish, selfish man.  How is ѕυιcιdє anything but the most selfish act a person can make?


That 2Vermont is a common reaction and children of parents who have left them have lots of years of resentment until they forgive.  The problem though is that mental illness, and depression in particular can fog the mind, can give the person an illusion of hopelessness and in a weak moment, death is far preferred than life.  

is that person who is the total victim of extreme depression exercising free will to end his or her life.  I don't think so, so there is room for an arguement that hell is not automatic for Robin Williams or others who have committed ѕυιcιdє.

IN addition, Robin had heart surgery which affects in a huge manner one's mental health, and with his alchoholism it all became too much...so rather than condemnation of the man - which is not my right to do  - I look at the suffering and hopelessness the man felt before he took such a drastic reaction.  

Empathy and love is not outside the Catholic conscience.  It is truly a sad situation and I would ratehr error on the side of love and forgivness and join people like Poche in praying for the man's soul.

That is my personal choice and style, and it does not effect in any way the wisdom and truth of the teaching of our church.

Bruce
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: trickster on August 12, 2014, 09:38:32 PM
Quote from: GJC
Quote from: MyrnaM
I was very annoyed to hear one of the commentators today actually say, "Today the angels in heaven are  laughing at his jokes with him there, while  in Hollywood they mourn his death."

Although I fear greatly for his soul, as a Catholic we dare not say without a doubt he lost his.    Insanity perhaps!  


What do you mean by "we dare not say"? If your intent is to speak for the whole, then please do not include me, speak for yourself.

This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse. It does not matter if he died a quiet death at home with John Boy, Mary Ellen, Jim Bob, Ben, Grandma and Grandpa by his side he would be in hell for eternity. He was not a Catholic, professed he was not Catholic and had 50 yrs or so to enter the Catholic Church of which he refused.

He choose murder, did not love God first and did not follow His commands and yesterday according to God's providence met his Judge who gave him his due wage....  hell.

It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. No murderers enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Well GJC I support MyrnaM's point.  Do not be too sure of your understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches about hell.  The church, in fact, has never stated that any particular person is in hell; she has proclaimed however who she knows is in heaven through canonization.

What the church does is give us rules to live by that are the best practices to work out our salvation and take back our original creation format before the fall of humanity.  I don't think that a teaching of the church around ѕυιcιdє and hell necessarily means that if you commit ѕυιcιdє you will go to hell. You and I cannot call that...all we can say is chances are that if you of free will choose to commit ѕυιcιdє then you might go to hell.

On another angle, what about our responsibility to be supportive of people who may be at risk of committing ѕυιcιdє.  We need to think about how we label,, condemn, how our arrogance in putting God in a dogmatic box; we need to be kind and supportiive of people.  

In matthew did not Jesus say that there will be certain people who go to hell; why  because they did not cloth the naked, fed the hungry, etc.  and that is the real message we need to take from the death of Robin Williams.

Bruce
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: MyrnaM on August 12, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
Quote from: GJC
Quote from: MyrnaM
I was very annoyed to hear one of the commentators today actually say, "Today the angels in heaven are  laughing at his jokes with him there, while  in Hollywood they mourn his death."

Although I fear greatly for his soul, as a Catholic we dare not say without a doubt he lost his.    Insanity perhaps!  


What do you mean by "we dare not say"? If your intent is to speak for the whole, then please do not include me, speak for yourself.

This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse. It does not matter if he died a quiet death at home with John Boy, Mary Ellen, Jim Bob, Ben, Grandma and Grandpa by his side he would be in hell for eternity. He was not a Catholic, professed he was not Catholic and had 50 yrs or so to enter the Catholic Church of which he refused.

He choose murder, did not love God first and did not follow His commands and yesterday according to God's providence met his Judge who gave him his due wage....  hell.

It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. No murderers enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Isn't it enough for YOU I posted I fear greatly for his soul, of which I do.

I attended Catholic school my entire life prior to the new religion, and was taught that we never pronounce anyone to be in Hell.  BTW...I always speak for myself, not the whole here,  for one reason, since Vatican II, I have noticed the unity of Faith is obscured for many Catholics.

I make no apology for my post.  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Cantarella on August 12, 2014, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: GJC

What do you mean by "we dare not say"? If your intent is to speak for the whole, then please do not include me, speak for yourself.

This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse. It does not matter if he died a quiet death at home with John Boy, Mary Ellen, Jim Bob, Ben, Grandma and Grandpa by his side he would be in hell for eternity. He was not a Catholic, professed he was not Catholic and had 50 yrs or so to enter the Catholic Church of which he refused.

He choose murder, did not love God first and did not follow His commands and yesterday according to God's providence met his Judge who gave him his due wage....  hell.

It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. No murderers enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


GJC is indeed in the 1% he speaks of in his signature.  :smile:

Good post.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Cantarella on August 12, 2014, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


Who is the faithful departed?

A Catholic knows what is it that awaits to those who challenge God's total mastery over life and death, by taking their own lives. ѕυιcιdє is a most grievous mortal sin.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 12, 2014, 10:51:21 PM
Quote from: GJC
Quote from: poche
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Quote from: poche
May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:    



It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. Williams was Episcopalian, some even say he was an atheist.

Jesus said: "I hear mine and mine hear me" and gave a direct order to be on watch at all times, because he would come like a thief in the night.

So any one who is a murderer (reported), heretic, adulterer, obviously disobeyed that direct order and was not watching because he did not hear Christ Jesus and therefore was not His.

It is a sign of the times that this has to be pointed out to so many.

When the murderer is sentenced to death the judge ends by saying, "and may God have mercy upon your soul."
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 12, 2014, 10:56:14 PM
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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:    



It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. Williams was Episcopalian, some even say he was an atheist.

Jesus said: "I hear mine and mine hear me" and gave a direct order to be on watch at all times, because he would come like a thief in the night.

So any one who is a murderer (reported), heretic, adulterer, obviously disobeyed that direct order and was not watching because he did not hear Christ Jesus and therefore was not His.

It is a sign of the times that this has to be pointed out to so many.


I would also add that he committed ѕυιcιdє.  I'm guessing it's pretty darn difficult to have a perfect act of contrition at the same time as you are committing a mortal sin.

Neither can we presume. It could be that the "comedic genius" of Robin Williams came because of a form of insanity. That could account for his "self medication" with illicit drugs. It could account for other problems also. It could also account for dimiished culpability. We just don't know what the actual condition of his soul was when he went to his particular judgement. But just in case I pray for the repose of his soul in the event that he made the act of perfect contrition that  God would accept. It is not up to us to decide.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 12, 2014, 10:58:47 PM
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Poche, like so many other modern Catholics, suffers from "ignorance of things divine" (Pope Pius X Encyclical:  Acerbo Nimis).  Roman Catholic Doctrine must be carefully studied and learned.  Sentimental feelings can never pass for Truth.


I agree that Roman Catholic doctrine must be carefully studied and learned.  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 12, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
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True, generally speaking we should leave judgment to God and pray for the faithful departed.

But, on the other hand, we shouldn't demean our religion, as if it's not necessary, by offering solid or likely hope that a notorious sinner -- who died in the ultimate despair of ѕυιcιdє -- saved his soul.

The Church seems to agree: she refuses Catholic burial to ѕυιcιdєs as well as non-Catholics. So she agrees that there are average sinners who are "trying", and then there are PUBLIC, NOTORIOUS, UNREPENTANT SINNERS.

It's one of the dogmas of Liberalism that, "We're all sinners, right? So what does it matter? Notorious sodomites, militant atheists, serial killers, and each one of us -- we are all sinners before God."

Uh, no.  At least we sinners are A) not malicious, B) repentant, and C) trying. We're not willfully tempting God by remaining sin for months and years on end. We are trying to not multiply our mortal sins into a pile as tall as the Tower of Babel.

We must keep that balance.

I am not offering solid or likely hope that any notorious sinners are saved. I do however pray for the repose of his soul in the event that he might have made an act of perfect contrition that God would have accepted because i would like others to pray for the repose of my soul when I die.  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 12, 2014, 11:02:58 PM
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I was very annoyed to hear one of the commentators today actually say, "Today the angels in heaven are  laughing at his jokes with him there, while  in Hollywood they mourn his death."

Although I fear greatly for his soul, as a Catholic we dare not say without a doubt he lost his.    Insanity perhaps!  

The commentators may say that because they are most likely not Catholic.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 12, 2014, 11:08:35 PM
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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


Who is the faithful departed?

A Catholic knows what is it that awaits to those who challenge God's total mastery over life and death, by taking their own lives. ѕυιcιdє is a most grievous mortal sin.

The faithful departed for whom I pray for is whoever is in Purgatory. May God grant them eternal rest and that much sooner enter into the joy of His presence. Amen.
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Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on August 13, 2014, 01:26:08 AM
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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.


Be very careful in what you are saying RomanCatholic1953.  "Judge not that ye not be judged".   I think Poche is right on.

Bruce


How much do you want to bet TRICKSTER, and that is the right name
for you because you are just a bag of tricks.
I will not be tricked, and maybe POCHE may have been tricked.
This notorious sinner that caused so many to be damned is now
in HELL for all eternity.
And please, I can judge this notorious sinner damned. It is my
prerogative. I can judge a man by his lifestyles, and today they are
mostly all evil.
You cannot trick me trickster.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 13, 2014, 04:38:59 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.


Be very careful in what you are saying RomanCatholic1953.  "Judge not that ye not be judged".   I think Poche is right on.

Bruce


How much do you want to bet TRICKSTER, and that is the right name
for you because you are just a bag of tricks.
I will not be tricked, and maybe POCHE may have been tricked.
This notorious sinner that caused so many to be damned is now
in HELL for all eternity.
And please, I can judge this notorious sinner damned. It is my
prerogative. I can judge a man by his lifestyles, and today they are
mostly all evil.
You cannot trick me trickster.

"The same God who said 'Thou shalt not fornicate' also said 'Thou shalt not judge'" - saying from the Fathers of the Desert.  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: MyrnaM on August 13, 2014, 11:49:55 AM
I want to say first hand I am not defending Mr.Robin Williams, all I am doing with this post is to remind interested Catholics here of a Catholic dogma.  


Reason we can not judge anyone's soul: MUST CONSIDER THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH about Mortal Sin.

This thread would be a good place to discuss these three conditions.  Of course there is much to consider in between the lines for discussion.

Three conditions for mortal sin
There are three conditions that make an act a mortal sin:
1.   An act of grave matter that is...
2.   Committed with full knowledge and...
3.   Deliberate consent.
All three conditions must be met for it to be a mortal sin. If one condition is seriously lacking, it's not mortal — it's considered a venial sin.
Grave matter
The Ten Commandments are the standard reference point for defining grave matter.
Full knowledge
For an act to be a mortal sin, we have to have full knowledge of its sinfulness. We have to know
Deliberate consent of the will
Mortal sin also requires deliberate consent. This means that you make a free choice to commit the act.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: MyrnaM on August 13, 2014, 07:24:55 PM
Egads... GJC,    another Feenyite!    :pray:
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: MyrnaM on August 13, 2014, 07:41:19 PM
No matter how you spell it still means outside the Catholic Church.  

At least you didn't deny your are one.  

One of their best known qualities is they are mean, you know what I mean?    :scared2:
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: BTNYC on August 14, 2014, 12:27:44 AM
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This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse.


That is a subjective judgment, reserved for God alone. You and I are not permitted to pronounce judgment in such matters.

Objective matters are different. We are free to say (and ought to say): Objectively, Robin Williams was not a Catholic, and was a public sinner. Objectively, he had no chance of salvation. Those judgments are acceptable to make.

The Church Herself never pronounces judgment on subjective matters, and never declares even the worst sinners and heretics to be "100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity." Don't arrogate to yourself authority that even Holy Mother Church Herself does not have.

Stick to objective judgment and leave subjective matters to God.




At this point in time it is not surprising to read some of the comments left in this thread. It is a sign of the times.

This is a perfect example of how of a bad thing can actually be a good thing, in so far as we have opportunity to pray for those that not only deceive themselves but everyone they speak to.

Your objective/subjective reasoning is human, and a clear indication that the Divinely revealed truths of God might not be true. When you speak objectively, as you say, you reduce Dogma to a theory, axiom, or a system that is in place that if subjectively not believed could equate to salvation because of good faith, good will or sincerity.

Contemplate for a moment St Francis Xavier. This man of God had two major obstacles in bringing the faith to the Japanese, the first was the language barrier, and the second was convincing these people of God's mercy.

It was hard for those pagans to understand the mercy of God when they were told that the emperors of old along with family members, relatives and friends were all in hell for eternity because the gospel had not yet reached them. It is even recorded that these Japanese asked St. Francis if by prayer that God might show mercy on those in hell, and the Saint's reply was that there was NOTHING that could be done.

Did he respond and say objectively they were lost, but subjectively we really just do not know?
Did St. Francis deceive these people into believing there was some kind of hope, like the local frauds do today? Did he lie and tell them to pray for these lost souls because they were having a hard time accepting this news? No, and the reason why he told the truth is because he is a CATHOLIC!

In bold (above) is a perfect example of the curse of modernism upon you.
You are clearly asserting that God acts independently of His Church and reduce the Dogma (EENS) to some kind of interpretation that God really reveals at judgment. St Pius X condemned this nonsense in Lamentabile.





Young Trad men tend to be very long on zeal and very short on wisdom.

You sound very young. Hopefully you are merely young and ignorant, and not old and stupid.

In the account you give above, St Francis' answer was an objective judgment. The fact that you are unable to discern that is evidence that you should probably know what you are talking about before pontificating on it. That's common sense. Look before you leap. Aim before you fire.

What you don't know could fill libraries of books - in fact, it does. Why don't you start reading some of them?

Brush up on your Thomism. Perhaps you'll come to realize the fundamental importance of making distinctions between objective and subjective; formal and material; act and potency.

Or was St Thomas Aquinas a Modernist too?


Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 14, 2014, 05:46:27 AM
It is a shame that many in Hollywood have so much but without God and
His commandments they have nothing but their demons.





Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 2Vermont on August 14, 2014, 06:51:00 AM
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No matter how you spell it still means outside the Catholic Church.  

At least you didn't deny your are one.  

One of their best known qualities is they are mean, you know what I mean?    :scared2:


I was worried that he too might be a Feeneyite.  Depending upon how he posts (he is new here), I may or may not ignore him as well.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Mathieu on August 14, 2014, 07:40:13 AM
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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:


You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
.......

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.
 :pray: :pray: :pray:    


Poche,

Thank you for posting on God’s mercy.  

Many people are unaware that the "depression" drugs that the doctors put people on today make the use of free will very impaired - anti-depressant drugs actually cause suicidal tendencies.  Whatever the case, God knows.

That being said.  I think you were right to invoke God’s mercy on this poor man. That is the spirit of a good Catholic. Many traditional Catholics today, because they are so afraid of Modernism, rather than fighting it, retreat into a bunker with their guns out.  The true fight against today’s evils is through holiness of life and a great love of God and His holy Mother - and great mercy shown to all the lost souls out there who do not have the Truth.  I think the greatest obstacle to more Catholics becoming Traditional is the great amount of hypocrisy, bitterness and gall they encounter in traditional Catholic circles.  

There is a beautiful story of Our Lady saving the Jєωιѕн mother of Herman Cohen (Fr. Augustine Marie of the Most Blessed Sacrament) linked here:
http://papastronsay.blogspot.com/2011/10/text-of-letter-prophesied-to-father.html

There is also the story of a woman’s husband who committed ѕυιcιdє, and how St. John Vianney told her that Our Lady had saved him; for those who have the official biography, The Curé d’Ars, by Abbé Trochu, on page 539 to 540.

If anyone can save someone who, for all practical purposes, seems lost, it is the Holy Virgin.  We are blessed to have her.

I think it is better to leave judgement to God.  Those out there who believe it is their “duty” to pass judgement of hell to others will receive the reward that is appropriate to their office as “judge”.  I don’t envy them.

Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 14, 2014, 07:52:01 AM
I think we shouldn't waste time over Hollywood and its sins.  
Yes , pray for those lost souls because they turned their backs to God.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 14, 2014, 07:53:36 AM
There are people including small children with cancer who bravely
Fight to live.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 14, 2014, 07:55:07 AM
Even the deaths of our soldiers dying in Middle East don't get the media coverage compared to an overpaid liberal.  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: BTNYC on August 14, 2014, 08:21:18 AM
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This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse.


That is a subjective judgment, reserved for God alone. You and I are not permitted to pronounce judgment in such matters.

Objective matters are different. We are free to say (and ought to say): Objectively, Robin Williams was not a Catholic, and was a public sinner. Objectively, he had no chance of salvation. Those judgments are acceptable to make.

The Church Herself never pronounces judgment on subjective matters, and never declares even the worst sinners and heretics to be "100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity." Don't arrogate to yourself authority that even Holy Mother Church Herself does not have.

Stick to objective judgment and leave subjective matters to God.




At this point in time it is not surprising to read some of the comments left in this thread. It is a sign of the times.

This is a perfect example of how of a bad thing can actually be a good thing, in so far as we have opportunity to pray for those that not only deceive themselves but everyone they speak to.

Your objective/subjective reasoning is human, and a clear indication that the Divinely revealed truths of God might not be true. When you speak objectively, as you say, you reduce Dogma to a theory, axiom, or a system that is in place that if subjectively not believed could equate to salvation because of good faith, good will or sincerity.

Contemplate for a moment St Francis Xavier. This man of God had two major obstacles in bringing the faith to the Japanese, the first was the language barrier, and the second was convincing these people of God's mercy.

It was hard for those pagans to understand the mercy of God when they were told that the emperors of old along with family members, relatives and friends were all in hell for eternity because the gospel had not yet reached them. It is even recorded that these Japanese asked St. Francis if by prayer that God might show mercy on those in hell, and the Saint's reply was that there was NOTHING that could be done.

Did he respond and say objectively they were lost, but subjectively we really just do not know?
Did St. Francis deceive these people into believing there was some kind of hope, like the local frauds do today? Did he lie and tell them to pray for these lost souls because they were having a hard time accepting this news? No, and the reason why he told the truth is because he is a CATHOLIC!

In bold (above) is a perfect example of the curse of modernism upon you.
You are clearly asserting that God acts independently of His Church and reduce the Dogma (EENS) to some kind of interpretation that God really reveals at judgment. St Pius X condemned this nonsense in Lamentabile.





Young Trad men tend to be very long on zeal and very short on wisdom.

You sound very young. Hopefully you are merely young and ignorant, and not old and stupid.

In the account you give above, St Francis' answer was an objective judgment. The fact that you are unable to discern that is evidence that you should probably know what you are talking about before pontificating on it. That's common sense. Look before you leap. Aim before you fire.

What you don't know could fill libraries of books - in fact, it does. Why don't you start reading some of them?

Brush up on your Thomism. Perhaps you'll come to realize the fundamental importance of making distinctions between objective and subjective; formal and material; act and potency.

Or was St Thomas Aquinas a Modernist too?





50 yrs. old.

Very short on wisdom is true, that is why I pray for it daily.

So, you wouldn't make the same comments about St Francis because even though he is crystal clear that those are in hell 100% (because the Gospel had not reached them yet) he was only speaking objectively and REALLY down deep did not believe what he was saying,  and wasn't really sure?

Please direct me to St Thomas' writing's about objective/subjective speaking.

And how Holy Mother the Church, as you say, does not have the authority to judge, but God does.  Thank you


The Church pronounces anathemas against heresy and those who promote it. The Church excommunicates unrepentant heretics. The Church defines the conditions necessary for mortal sin, reproves those who sin publicly and notoriously, and gives fair warning that those who die in mortal sin, or who die outside of the Church have no chance of salvation and are doomed to spend eternity in hell.

All of this is objective in nature. It is judgment according to what is known and certain.

The Church has never solemnly declared any single person to be certainly in hell. Not Luther, not Arius, not even Judas. The Church has never claimed the authority nor the competency to judge subjective matters; which is to say, the Church has never claimed to know interior things (intention, motivation, interior disposition) which is known to God alone. And as God alone is privy to the interior disposition of a man, it is also God alone Who has the Authority and Right to judge a soul based on those intentions and condemn him to hell.



Quote from: St. Thomas Aquinas


Article 2. Whether it is lawful to judge?

Objection 1. It would seem unlawful to judge. For nothing is punished except what is unlawful. Now those who judge are threatened with punishment, which those who judge not will escape, according to Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged." Therefore it is unlawful to judge.
 
Objection 2. Further, it is written (Romans 14:4): "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant. To his own lord he standeth or falleth." Now God is the Lord of all. Therefore to no man is it lawful to judge.
 
Objection 3. Further, no man is sinless, according to 1 John 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves." Now it is unlawful for a sinner to judge, according to Romans 2:1, "Thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art, that judgest; for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself, for thou dost the same things which thou judgest." Therefore to no man is it lawful to judge.
 
On the contrary, It is written (Deuteronomy 16:18): "Thou shalt appoint judges and magistrates in all thy gates . . . that they may judge the people with just judgment."
 
I answer that, Judgment is lawful in so far as it is an act of justice. Now it follows from what has been stated above (1, ad 1,3) that three conditions are requisite for a judgment to be an act of justice: first, that it proceed from the inclination of justice; secondly, that it come from one who is in authority; thirdly, that it be pronounced according to the right ruling of prudence. If any one of these be lacking, the judgment will be faulty and unlawful. First, when it is contrary to the rectitude of justice, and then it is called "perverted" or "unjust": secondly, when a man judges about matters wherein he has no authority, and this is called judgment "by usurpation": thirdly, when the reason lacks certainty, as when a man, without any solid motive, forms a judgment on some doubtful or hidden matter, and then it is called judgment by "suspicion" or "rash" judgment.
 
Reply to Objection 1. In these words our Lord forbids rash judgment which is about the inward intention, or other uncertain things, as Augustine states (De Serm. Dom. in Monte ii, 18). Or else He forbids judgment about Divine things, which we ought not to judge, but simply believe, since they are above us, as Hilary declares in his commentary on Matthew 5. Or again according to Chrysostom [Hom. xvii in Matth. in the Opus Imperfectum falsely ascribed to St. John of the Cross], He forbids the judgment which proceeds not from benevolence but from bitterness of heart.


Reply to Objection 2. A judge is appointed as God's servant; wherefore it is written (Deuteronomy 1:16): "Judge that which is just," and further on (Deuteronomy 1:17), "because it is the judgment of God."
 
Reply to Objection 3. Those who stand guilty of grievous sins should not judge those who are guilty of the same or lesser sins, as Chrysostom [Hom. xxiv] says on the words of Matthew 7:1, "Judge not." Above all does this hold when such sins are public, because there would be an occasion of scandal arising in the hearts of others. If however they are not public but hidden, and there be an urgent necessity for the judge to pronounce judgment, because it is his duty, he can reprove or judge with humility and fear. Hence Augustine says (De Serm. Dom. in Monte ii, 19): "If we find that we are guilty of the same sin as another man, we should groan together with him, and invite him to strive against it together with us." And yet it is not through acting thus that a man condemns himself so as to deserve to be condemned once again, but when, in condemning another, he shows himself to be equally deserving of condemnation on account of another or a like sin.
 
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 14, 2014, 08:24:28 AM
I am sick of Hollywood.   Delete the thread.  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 14, 2014, 08:25:41 AM
By the way what is his last movie?  
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on August 15, 2014, 12:44:06 AM
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.

 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: poche on August 15, 2014, 02:19:42 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.

 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html

There are some things that are known only to God. We can conjecture, but we could very easily be mistaken.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: ggreg on August 15, 2014, 08:50:44 AM
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By the way what is his last movie?  


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Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: BTNYC on August 15, 2014, 09:13:55 AM
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This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse.


That is a subjective judgment, reserved for God alone. You and I are not permitted to pronounce judgment in such matters.

Objective matters are different. We are free to say (and ought to say): Objectively, Robin Williams was not a Catholic, and was a public sinner. Objectively, he had no chance of salvation. Those judgments are acceptable to make.

The Church Herself never pronounces judgment on subjective matters, and never declares even the worst sinners and heretics to be "100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity." Don't arrogate to yourself authority that even Holy Mother Church Herself does not have.

Stick to objective judgment and leave subjective matters to God.




At this point in time it is not surprising to read some of the comments left in this thread. It is a sign of the times.

This is a perfect example of how of a bad thing can actually be a good thing, in so far as we have opportunity to pray for those that not only deceive themselves but everyone they speak to.

Your objective/subjective reasoning is human, and a clear indication that the Divinely revealed truths of God might not be true. When you speak objectively, as you say, you reduce Dogma to a theory, axiom, or a system that is in place that if subjectively not believed could equate to salvation because of good faith, good will or sincerity.

Contemplate for a moment St Francis Xavier. This man of God had two major obstacles in bringing the faith to the Japanese, the first was the language barrier, and the second was convincing these people of God's mercy.

It was hard for those pagans to understand the mercy of God when they were told that the emperors of old along with family members, relatives and friends were all in hell for eternity because the gospel had not yet reached them. It is even recorded that these Japanese asked St. Francis if by prayer that God might show mercy on those in hell, and the Saint's reply was that there was NOTHING that could be done.

Did he respond and say objectively they were lost, but subjectively we really just do not know?
Did St. Francis deceive these people into believing there was some kind of hope, like the local frauds do today? Did he lie and tell them to pray for these lost souls because they were having a hard time accepting this news? No, and the reason why he told the truth is because he is a CATHOLIC!

In bold (above) is a perfect example of the curse of modernism upon you.
You are clearly asserting that God acts independently of His Church and reduce the Dogma (EENS) to some kind of interpretation that God really reveals at judgment. St Pius X condemned this nonsense in Lamentabile.





Young Trad men tend to be very long on zeal and very short on wisdom.

You sound very young. Hopefully you are merely young and ignorant, and not old and stupid.

In the account you give above, St Francis' answer was an objective judgment. The fact that you are unable to discern that is evidence that you should probably know what you are talking about before pontificating on it. That's common sense. Look before you leap. Aim before you fire.

What you don't know could fill libraries of books - in fact, it does. Why don't you start reading some of them?

Brush up on your Thomism. Perhaps you'll come to realize the fundamental importance of making distinctions between objective and subjective; formal and material; act and potency.

Or was St Thomas Aquinas a Modernist too?





50 yrs. old.

Very short on wisdom is true, that is why I pray for it daily.

So, you wouldn't make the same comments about St Francis because even though he is crystal clear that those are in hell 100% (because the Gospel had not reached them yet) he was only speaking objectively and REALLY down deep did not believe what he was saying,  and wasn't really sure?

Please direct me to St Thomas' writing's about objective/subjective speaking.

And how Holy Mother the Church, as you say, does not have the authority to judge, but God does.  Thank you


The Church pronounces anathemas against heresy and those who promote it. The Church excommunicates unrepentant heretics. The Church defines the conditions necessary for mortal sin, reproves those who sin publicly and notoriously, and gives fair warning that those who die in mortal sin, or who die outside of the Church have no chance of salvation and are doomed to spend eternity in hell.

All of this is objective in nature. It is judgment according to what is known and certain.

The Church has never solemnly declared any single person to be certainly in hell. Not Luther, not Arius, not even Judas. The Church has never claimed the authority nor the competency to judge subjective matters; which is to say, the Church has never claimed to know interior things (intention, motivation, interior disposition) which is known to God alone. And as God alone is privy to the interior disposition of a man, it is also God alone Who has the Authority and Right to judge a soul based on those intentions and condemn him to hell.



Quote from: St. Thomas Aquinas


Article 2. Whether it is lawful to judge?

Objection 1. It would seem unlawful to judge. For nothing is punished except what is unlawful. Now those who judge are threatened with punishment, which those who judge not will escape, according to Matthew 7:1, "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged." Therefore it is unlawful to judge.
 
Objection 2. Further, it is written (Romans 14:4): "Who art thou that judgest another man's servant. To his own lord he standeth or falleth." Now God is the Lord of all. Therefore to no man is it lawful to judge.
 
Objection 3. Further, no man is sinless, according to 1 John 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves." Now it is unlawful for a sinner to judge, according to Romans 2:1, "Thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art, that judgest; for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself, for thou dost the same things which thou judgest." Therefore to no man is it lawful to judge.
 
On the contrary, It is written (Deuteronomy 16:18): "Thou shalt appoint judges and magistrates in all thy gates . . . that they may judge the people with just judgment."
 
I answer that, Judgment is lawful in so far as it is an act of justice. Now it follows from what has been stated above (1, ad 1,3) that three conditions are requisite for a judgment to be an act of justice: first, that it proceed from the inclination of justice; secondly, that it come from one who is in authority; thirdly, that it be pronounced according to the right ruling of prudence. If any one of these be lacking, the judgment will be faulty and unlawful. First, when it is contrary to the rectitude of justice, and then it is called "perverted" or "unjust": secondly, when a man judges about matters wherein he has no authority, and this is called judgment "by usurpation": thirdly, when the reason lacks certainty, as when a man, without any solid motive, forms a judgment on some doubtful or hidden matter, and then it is called judgment by "suspicion" or "rash" judgment.
 
Reply to Objection 1. In these words our Lord forbids rash judgment which is about the inward intention, or other uncertain things, as Augustine states (De Serm. Dom. in Monte ii, 18). Or else He forbids judgment about Divine things, which we ought not to judge, but simply believe, since they are above us, as Hilary declares in his commentary on Matthew 5. Or again according to Chrysostom [Hom. xvii in Matth. in the Opus Imperfectum falsely ascribed to St. John of the Cross], He forbids the judgment which proceeds not from benevolence but from bitterness of heart.


Reply to Objection 2. A judge is appointed as God's servant; wherefore it is written (Deuteronomy 1:16): "Judge that which is just," and further on (Deuteronomy 1:17), "because it is the judgment of God."
 
Reply to Objection 3. Those who stand guilty of grievous sins should not judge those who are guilty of the same or lesser sins, as Chrysostom [Hom. xxiv] says on the words of Matthew 7:1, "Judge not." Above all does this hold when such sins are public, because there would be an occasion of scandal arising in the hearts of others. If however they are not public but hidden, and there be an urgent necessity for the judge to pronounce judgment, because it is his duty, he can reprove or judge with humility and fear. Hence Augustine says (De Serm. Dom. in Monte ii, 19): "If we find that we are guilty of the same sin as another man, we should groan together with him, and invite him to strive against it together with us." And yet it is not through acting thus that a man condemns himself so as to deserve to be condemned once again, but when, in condemning another, he shows himself to be equally deserving of condemnation on account of another or a like sin.
 


Thanks for the reference to St Thomas. This is however irrelevant to this discussion.  I challenge you to read what you highlighted and contemplate. None of the three conditions are present when a person judges correctly as taught by Christ.

I would love to discuss this further somewhere else. I have no more comments in this thread about R. Williams my position is crystal clear.


Oh, I know your position is crystal clear. But it is also in contradiction to the Church's position on judgment, which is also crystal clear. Therein lies the problem.

St. Thomas Aquinas' article on the lawfulness of judgment, which clarifies the Church's official stance on the meaning of Our Lord's admonition against rash judgment, is "irrelevant" in a thread consisting of judgments about a deceased public figure? The onus is on you to prove that manifestly absurd assertion.

When someone says of any deceased person, as you did here, that he is "100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity," he renders his judgment unlawful because, as per St. Thomas, it is rash and a usurpation of judgment; rash because it presumes to know that which is hidden, namely the interior intention of the subject (which is known with certainty only by God) and it is a usurpation because it seeks to pronounce definitively on the sentence of a soul to eternal damnation, which is God's Jursdiction alone.

Consider the fact that, on the flip side, the Church never eulogizes. In a Traditional Catholic funeral Mass, the priest will preach about the Four Last Things, the dire importance of remaining in the State of Grace, and the duty to pray for the dead that God will show him Mercy. Now I'm sure most people reading these words would be scandalized if they heard a priest pronounce from the pulpit that the dear departed was "100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in heaven for eternity," no matter how holy the deceased was in life. This would immediately be recognized for what it is - a very Protestant-sounding bit of presumption... a rash judgment of usurpation. So it would be.

The problem with Traditional Catholic forums is that they often become a showcase for the competetive soul who wishes to demonstrate that he is the staunchest, "trad-est" trad in the room. Prudence and rationality are usually the first casualties in that endeavor. This is lamentably common - though forgiveable - in young men. But you and I aren't young men... If I'm too old for that sort of foolishness at 36, how much more so are you at 50?

Take a moment to consider the fact that you have debated me here with your own personal opinion. I debated you with the words of the Angelic Doctor (placing, as I do, infinitely more confidence in him than in myself).

So here's my challenge to you:

At your next Confession - or whenever your next meeting is with a Traditional priest - print out this exchange between you and me and show it to him. Then listen to what he says and gain some of that wisdom you've been praying for.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: BTNYC on August 15, 2014, 09:21:19 AM
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.


 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html


I sure don't.

He lived an evil life. He was a public sinner. It would be foolishness and error to entertain any good hope that he could be saved.

But God alone knows for certain.

Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Matthew on August 15, 2014, 09:30:09 AM
Robin Williams Acknowledged He Channeled Demonic Spirits For Comedic Power
Thursday, August 14, 2014 14:46

Fame in Hollywood often comes with a deadly price
“And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.” Mark 5:9
Everybody is currently talking about Robin Williams and his tragic ѕυιcιdє. Many are puzzled as to how a man, who made so many people laugh, could be so depressed that he would violently end his life. What people are not learning is the deeper truth about the insidious forces that tormented Robin Williams and drove him to ѕυιcιdє.
Robin Williams acknowledged that he had opened himself up to transformative demonic powers that aided him on stage. Without the aid of such demonic powers, it is likely that you would have never have heard of
Robin Williams and many other famous celebrities.

“Yeah! Literally, it’s like possession ‑ all of a sudden you’re in, and because it’s in front of a live audience, you just get this energy that just starts going…” – Robin Williams

Williams also recognized that these powers had manifested a very evil influence on stage and that there could be a hefty price to pay for their assistance. Williams told James Kaplan of US Weekly:
“Yeah! Literally, it’s like possession ‑ all of a sudden you’re in, and because it’s in front of a live audience, you just get this energy that just starts going…But there’s also that thing ‑ it is possession. In the old days you’d be burned for it…But there is something empowering about it. I mean, it is a place where you are totally ‑ it is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, where you really can become this other force. Maybe that’s why I don’t need to play evil characters [in movies], ’cause sometimes onstage you can cross that line and come back. Clubs are a weird kind of petri dish environment. I mean, that’s where people can get as dark as they can in comedy ‑ in the name of comedy, be talking about outrageous stuff and somehow come out the other side. I mean, that’s one place where you really want to push it” (Robin Williams, “Robin Williams,” by James Kaplan, US Weekly, January, 1999, p. 53).
Williams’ last statement quoted above answers the question as to why the demonic powers use entertainers. Their goal is to promote evil and darkness and increase mankind’s rebellion against God.
Williams went on to say on the heels of that admission:
“The people I’ve ad­mired ‑ Jonathan Winters, in his best days, was out. Gone. But the price he paid for it was deep”
Sadly, it seems that the price Robin Williams has now paid is just as deep as that of his idol, Jonathan Winters. In fact, in the same US Weekly Interview, James Kaplan says:
“With a gift for mimicry and improvisation that verged on demonic possession, Williams could even approach the artistry of his idol Jonathan Winters—a man whose genius took him, once or twice, over the edge into mental illness. Williams’ own version of hell has been extensively chronicled”.
Like Robin Williams, Jonathan Winters had to contend with the tormenting demonic powers he utilized for fame and fortune. “These voices are always screaming to get out,” Winters told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, further admitting “They follow me around pretty much all day and night.”
At the height of Winter’s success, he voluntarily committed himself to a psychiatric hospital for eight months. Winters would later claim that if he were not careful, the authorities would put him back in the  “zoo,” an obvious reference to the mental institution. Winters, like Williams, often fell into deep depression and struggled with heavy drinking.
While many only knew Robin Williams to be what they considered a somewhat “family friendly” actor, he was one of the most successful crude stand-up comics who ever lived. It was during his stand-up where he was most able to tap into what he calls “possession…Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde… that’s where people can get as dark as they can in comedy ‑ in the name of comedy” .
It was in Williams’ stand-up where he would go into his manic, stream-of-consciousness rants filled with vulgar language, perverse sɛҳuąƖity and the glorification of illicit drugs and drunkenness. Many people express shock after seeing Williams’ stand-up, not knowing his act was so perverse. Comedians, like many famous musicians, pay the price for their fame by becoming enslaved to the demonic forces that possess and torment them.
Jim Morrison, the frontman of America’s most successful band in the 60’s, admitted that he had to drink “to silence the constant voices of the demons” (James Riordin, “Break on Through: The Life and Death of Jim Morrison,” p. 23). The Door’s photographer, Frank Lisciandro, stated that,“Jim drank to quiet the ceaseless clamor of the demons, ghosts and spirits. He drank because there were demons and voices and spirits shouting inside of his head and he found that one of the ways to quell them was with alcohol”
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: BTNYC on August 15, 2014, 09:31:40 AM
Quote from: poche
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.

 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html

There are some things that are known only to God. We can conjecture, but we could very easily be mistaken.


Poche, as usual, you go too far in the other direction. Praying for the soul of a notorious public sinner who comitted the grave crime of ѕυιcιdє, placing his name among or alongside "all the souls of the faithful departed" skirts dangerously close to entertaining good hope for his salvation, an error condemned by Pope Pius IX.

A brief "May God have mercy on his soul" fulfills your duty of Christian Charity without giving the false and scandalous impression that this man can seriously be considered in the same breath as the faithful departed.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: 2Vermont on August 15, 2014, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: BTNYC
Quote from: poche
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.

 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html

There are some things that are known only to God. We can conjecture, but we could very easily be mistaken.


Poche, as usual, you go too far in the other direction. Praying for the soul of a notorious public sinner who comitted the grave crime of ѕυιcιdє, placing his name among or alongside "all the souls of the faithful departed" skirts dangerously close to entertaining good hope for his salvation, an error condemned by Pope Pius IX.

A brief "May God have mercy on his soul" fulfills your duty of Christian Charity without giving the false and scandalous impression that this man can seriously be considered in the same breath as the faithful departed.


I would agree with your balanced approach.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: CharlesII on August 15, 2014, 12:46:10 PM
I don't watch these programs and am not able to verify, but this seems very odd:
Quote
That's why I was shocked to learn that the "Family Guy" episode "Fatman and Robin" (featuring a ѕυιcιdє attempt and Robin Williams) aired on the BBC three minutes before his death was announced.

Keep in mind that "Family Guy" also featured some weird coincidences between the Boston Bombing and their episode of "Turban Cowboy." And the whole "Batman" meme has taken on a life of its own during recent "newsworthy events" in the last couple of years.


As the site and videos there show, there was a death in the same manner in a film Williams made, also.

null (http://jpaulson.blogspot.com/2014/08/more-predictive-programming-courtesy-of.html)



Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: CharlesII on August 15, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
Ooops, the link is at What They Don't Tell You (http://jpaulson.blogspot.com/2014/08/more-predictive-programming-courtesy-of.html)
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 16, 2014, 04:13:23 AM
And adultery.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 16, 2014, 04:31:31 AM
We should delete entire thread because of the evil associated with it.
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on August 16, 2014, 04:48:42 AM
Quote from: Matthew
Robin Williams Acknowledged He Channeled Demonic Spirits For Comedic Power
Thursday, August 14, 2014 14:46

Fame in Hollywood often comes with a deadly price
“And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.” Mark 5:9
Everybody is currently talking about Robin Williams and his tragic ѕυιcιdє. Many are puzzled as to how a man, who made so many people laugh, could be so depressed that he would violently end his life. What people are not learning is the deeper truth about the insidious forces that tormented Robin Williams and drove him to ѕυιcιdє.
Robin Williams acknowledged that he had opened himself up to transformative demonic powers that aided him on stage. Without the aid of such demonic powers, it is likely that you would have never have heard of
Robin Williams and many other famous celebrities.

“Yeah! Literally, it’s like possession ‑ all of a sudden you’re in, and because it’s in front of a live audience, you just get this energy that just starts going…” – Robin Williams

Williams also recognized that these powers had manifested a very evil influence on stage and that there could be a hefty price to pay for their assistance. Williams told James Kaplan of US Weekly:
“Yeah! Literally, it’s like possession ‑ all of a sudden you’re in, and because it’s in front of a live audience, you just get this energy that just starts going…But there’s also that thing ‑ it is possession. In the old days you’d be burned for it…But there is something empowering about it. I mean, it is a place where you are totally ‑ it is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, where you really can become this other force. Maybe that’s why I don’t need to play evil characters [in movies], ’cause sometimes onstage you can cross that line and come back. Clubs are a weird kind of petri dish environment. I mean, that’s where people can get as dark as they can in comedy ‑ in the name of comedy, be talking about outrageous stuff and somehow come out the other side. I mean, that’s one place where you really want to push it” (Robin Williams, “Robin Williams,” by James Kaplan, US Weekly, January, 1999, p. 53).
Williams’ last statement quoted above answers the question as to why the demonic powers use entertainers. Their goal is to promote evil and darkness and increase mankind’s rebellion against God.
Williams went on to say on the heels of that admission:
“The people I’ve ad­mired ‑ Jonathan Winters, in his best days, was out. Gone. But the price he paid for it was deep”
Sadly, it seems that the price Robin Williams has now paid is just as deep as that of his idol, Jonathan Winters. In fact, in the same US Weekly Interview, James Kaplan says:
“With a gift for mimicry and improvisation that verged on demonic possession, Williams could even approach the artistry of his idol Jonathan Winters—a man whose genius took him, once or twice, over the edge into mental illness. Williams’ own version of hell has been extensively chronicled”.
Like Robin Williams, Jonathan Winters had to contend with the tormenting demonic powers he utilized for fame and fortune. “These voices are always screaming to get out,” Winters told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, further admitting “They follow me around pretty much all day and night.”
At the height of Winter’s success, he voluntarily committed himself to a psychiatric hospital for eight months. Winters would later claim that if he were not careful, the authorities would put him back in the  “zoo,” an obvious reference to the mental institution. Winters, like Williams, often fell into deep depression and struggled with heavy drinking.
While many only knew Robin Williams to be what they considered a somewhat “family friendly” actor, he was one of the most successful crude stand-up comics who ever lived. It was during his stand-up where he was most able to tap into what he calls “possession…Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde… that’s where people can get as dark as they can in comedy ‑ in the name of comedy” .
It was in Williams’ stand-up where he would go into his manic, stream-of-consciousness rants filled with vulgar language, perverse sɛҳuąƖity and the glorification of illicit drugs and drunkenness. Many people express shock after seeing Williams’ stand-up, not knowing his act was so perverse. Comedians, like many famous musicians, pay the price for their fame by becoming enslaved to the demonic forces that possess and torment them.
Jim Morrison, the frontman of America’s most successful band in the 60’s, admitted that he had to drink “to silence the constant voices of the demons” (James Riordin, “Break on Through: The Life and Death of Jim Morrison,” p. 23). The Door’s photographer, Frank Lisciandro, stated that,“Jim drank to quiet the ceaseless clamor of the demons, ghosts and spirits. He drank because there were demons and voices and spirits shouting inside of his head and he found that one of the ways to quell them was with alcohol”
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 16, 2014, 04:56:59 AM
Quote from: BTNYC
Quote from: poche
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.

 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html

There are some things that are known only to God. We can conjecture, but we could very easily be mistaken.

Poche, as usual, you go too far in the other direction. Praying for the soul of a notorious public sinner who committed the grave crime of ѕυιcιdє, placing his name among or alongside "all the souls of the faithful departed" skirts dangerously close to entertaining good hope for his salvation, an error condemned by Pope Pius IX.

A brief "May God have mercy on his soul" fulfills your duty of Christian Charity without giving the false and scandalous impression that this man can seriously be considered in the same breath as the faithful departed.


How about the CMRI method of praying for the dead:  don't bother mentioning the "faithful departed" -- ever.  Just say, "Eternal rest grant unto( him/them), O Lord. May he rest in peace," or "May they rest in peace."

If you just delete the phrase "...their souls and all the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God,..." not unlike deleting the prayers for the Pope and the local bishop, and counsel your faithful that the Lutherans down the street might be saved by their ignorance, you state your foundational principle of denial of Catholic Tradition.  You can keep everything else, all the bells and whistles, just step out of line on those three things (which are three manifestations of the same thing, really), and maybe nobody will notice.  

Nobody except one lone Internet forum member who dares to notice and post it.

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Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Neil Obstat on August 16, 2014, 05:24:57 AM
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Several sources have informed me that there was a sequel to "Mrs. Doubtfire" in the works, which has been planned to have Robin Williams as the lead role, again.  However, since he had been keeping his diagnosis of Parkinson's disease private so as not to be shared with the public (for whatever reason), it seems to me that Williams might have been saying he was willing to accept the role, however, deep inside, may have been questioning his physical ability to meet everyone's expectations, due to his progressing symptoms of Parkinson's.  

Consequently, his already significant depression may have been enhanced by his fears that he would likely turn out to be a disappointment in rising to the challenge of his part in this new movie.  That is to say, perhaps he feared he would be unable to deliver everything that he would like to be able to deliver by acting in such a role.  And his own self-image may have been threatened, which frightened him, and may have made his depression worse, egging him ever closer to self-destruction, and maybe he didn't show any clues for anyone because he knew how to pretend so well, and he knew how to make it appear that he was not suicidal, or maybe he made it seem like ѕυιcιdє was somehow a laughing matter, just another among his already millions of jokes.


However, if he was really the "humanitarian" that many are saying he was, it seems to me that he missed a great opportunity to make a different kind of movie, one that would depict a famous movie star and comedian (not necessarily himself but perhaps that would work) whose life deteriorates and career declines due to the progress of this devastating disease.  Certainly, he would have been able to PRETEND that he had advanced Parkinson's long in advance of him actually becoming subject to the effects thereof.  

Such a movie could have been the crowning humanitarian effort of his life and career, one that could help family members of Parkinson's patients and perhaps therapists and doctors all over the world, to better understand the personal struggles and needs of Parkinson's patients.  And it would have been a great example of Christian humility and the grace of virtue in our lives.  However, if he really did suffer from demonic influence, the demons who pursued him would have worked hard to prevent him from making such a movie that would be helpful to people, because demons hate all people, just as they hate God, each other, and themselves.  Demons hate everything.  That's why they're in hell forever.

So then, why, other than because of demonic possession, would he have ignored this opportunity and had instead committed ѕυιcιdє?  It's not like anyone could have suggested it to him, since he hadn't been sharing the news of his disease with others.  

Only his own physician could have suggested this.  But maybe his doctor just didn't think of it.  He may have been unaware that such a prominent and worldly successful man would be likely to have suicidal tendencies.   Doctors base a lot of their judgments on statistical data and analyses.  Maybe there was insufficient study of similar cases, if there are any such cases at all.

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Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: Jehanne on August 16, 2014, 05:42:57 AM
I wonder how much his decision was influenced by this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Dreams_May_Come_(film)
Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: BTNYC on August 16, 2014, 09:44:55 AM
Quote from: GJC
Quote from: BTNYC
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.


 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html


I sure don't.

He lived an evil life. He was a public sinner. It would be foolishness and error to entertain any good hope that he could be saved.

But God alone knows for certain.



Do you belong to the novus ordo?


In good faith, I thought you were a soul in need of correction.

Now I see you're merely a troll seeking attention.

Well, feeding time's over. Thank God for the "ignore" option.


Title: Robin Williams killed himself
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on August 17, 2014, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: GJC
Quote from: BTNYC
Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
Read This:

Robin Williams Channeled evil spirits for his comedy act.

Who says he is not in hell right now.


 http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/08/robin-williams-acknowledged-he-channeled-demonic-spirits-for-comedic-power-2460332.html


I sure don't.

He lived an evil life. He was a public sinner. It would be foolishness and error to entertain any good hope that he could be saved.

But God alone knows for certain.



Do you belong to the novus ordo?


This say that I belong to the Roman Catholic Church since I
was baptized in 1953.
No Novus Ordo Catholic would ever say Robin Williams is in
hell.
Because so many Novus Ordo Catholics are already in hell,
or going to hell.
I am not a troll, I been with CI since 2009.  I never been accused
of ever being a troll.
I resent being called a troll.