Author Topic: Robin Williams killed himself (Read 8542 times)

poche · « **Reply #30 on:** August 12, 2014, 10:51:21 PM »

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.

It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. Williams was Episcopalian, some even say he was an atheist.

Jesus said: "I hear mine and mine hear me" and gave a direct order to be on watch at all times, because he would come like a thief in the night.

So any one who is a murderer (reported), heretic, adulterer, obviously disobeyed that direct order and was not watching because he did not hear Christ Jesus and therefore was not His.

It is a sign of the times that this has to be pointed out to so many.

When the murderer is sentenced to death the judge ends by saying, "and may God have mercy upon your soul."

poche · « **Reply #31 on:** August 12, 2014, 10:56:14 PM »

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.

It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. Williams was Episcopalian, some even say he was an atheist.

Jesus said: "I hear mine and mine hear me" and gave a direct order to be on watch at all times, because he would come like a thief in the night.

So any one who is a murderer (reported), heretic, adulterer, obviously disobeyed that direct order and was not watching because he did not hear Christ Jesus and therefore was not His.

It is a sign of the times that this has to be pointed out to so many.

I would also add that he committed ѕυιcιdє. I'm guessing it's pretty darn difficult to have a perfect act of contrition at the same time as you are committing a mortal sin.

Neither can we presume. It could be that the "comedic genius" of Robin Williams came because of a form of insanity. That could account for his "self medication" with illicit drugs. It could account for other problems also. It could also account for dimiished culpability. We just don't know what the actual condition of his soul was when he went to his particular judgement. But just in case I pray for the repose of his soul in the event that he made the act of perfect contrition that God would accept. It is not up to us to decide.

poche · « **Reply #32 on:** August 12, 2014, 10:58:47 PM »

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Poche, like so many other modern Catholics, suffers from "ignorance of things divine" (Pope Pius X Encyclical: Acerbo Nimis). Roman Catholic Doctrine must be carefully studied and learned. Sentimental feelings can never pass for Truth.

I agree that Roman Catholic doctrine must be carefully studied and learned.

poche · « **Reply #33 on:** August 12, 2014, 11:01:41 PM »

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True, generally speaking we should leave judgment to God and pray for the faithful departed.

But, on the other hand, we shouldn't demean our religion, as if it's not necessary, by offering solid or likely hope that a notorious sinner -- who died in the ultimate despair of ѕυιcιdє -- saved his soul.

The Church seems to agree: she refuses Catholic burial to ѕυιcιdєs as well as non-Catholics. So she agrees that there are average sinners who are "trying", and then there are PUBLIC, NOTORIOUS, UNREPENTANT SINNERS.

It's one of the dogmas of Liberalism that, "We're all sinners, right? So what does it matter? Notorious sodomites, militant atheists, serial killers, and each one of us -- we are all sinners before God."

Uh, no. At least we sinners are A) not malicious, B) repentant, and C) trying. We're not willfully tempting God by remaining sin for months and years on end. We are trying to not multiply our mortal sins into a pile as tall as the Tower of Babel.

We must keep that balance.

I am not offering solid or likely hope that any notorious sinners are saved. I do however pray for the repose of his soul in the event that he might have made an act of perfect contrition that God would have accepted because i would like others to pray for the repose of my soul when I die.

poche · « **Reply #34 on:** August 12, 2014, 11:02:58 PM »

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I was very annoyed to hear one of the commentators today actually say, "Today the angels in heaven are laughing at his jokes with him there, while in Hollywood they mourn his death."

Although I fear greatly for his soul, as a Catholic we dare not say without a doubt he lost his. Insanity perhaps!

The commentators may say that because they are most likely not Catholic.

poche · « **Reply #35 on:** August 12, 2014, 11:08:35 PM »

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

Who is the faithful departed?

A Catholic knows what is it that awaits to those who challenge God's total mastery over life and death, by taking their own lives. ѕυιcιdє is a most grievous mortal sin.

The faithful departed for whom I pray for is whoever is in Purgatory. May God grant them eternal rest and that much sooner enter into the joy of His presence. Amen.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 13, 2014, 01:26:08 AM »

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

Be very careful in what you are saying RomanCatholic1953. "Judge not that ye not be judged". I think Poche is right on.

Bruce

How much do you want to bet TRICKSTER, and that is the right name
for you because you are just a bag of tricks.
I will not be tricked, and maybe POCHE may have been tricked.
This notorious sinner that caused so many to be damned is now
in HELL for all eternity.
And please, I can judge this notorious sinner damned. It is my
prerogative. I can judge a man by his lifestyles, and today they are
mostly all evil.
You cannot trick me trickster.

poche · « **Reply #37 on:** August 13, 2014, 04:38:59 AM »

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
in hell fire wishing now that could have lived in a cloistered
Monastery where he would have done penance with the lash
24/7.
Many Catholics whom meant their maker today now wish the same
thing. The only thing, they are in a deeper part of hell. Whole lot
lower than the late Robin Williams RIP.

Be very careful in what you are saying RomanCatholic1953. "Judge not that ye not be judged". I think Poche is right on.

Bruce

How much do you want to bet TRICKSTER, and that is the right name
for you because you are just a bag of tricks.
I will not be tricked, and maybe POCHE may have been tricked.
This notorious sinner that caused so many to be damned is now
in HELL for all eternity.
And please, I can judge this notorious sinner damned. It is my
prerogative. I can judge a man by his lifestyles, and today they are
mostly all evil.
You cannot trick me trickster.

"The same God who said 'Thou shalt not fornicate' also said 'Thou shalt not judge'" - saying from the Fathers of the Desert.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #38 on:** August 13, 2014, 11:49:55 AM »

I want to say first hand I am not defending Mr.Robin Williams, all I am doing with this post is to remind interested Catholics here of a Catholic dogma.

Reason we can not judge anyone's soul: MUST CONSIDER THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH about Mortal Sin.

This thread would be a good place to discuss these three conditions. Of course there is much to consider in between the lines for discussion.

Three conditions for mortal sin
There are three conditions that make an act a mortal sin:
1.   An act of grave matter that is...
2.   Committed with full knowledge and...
3.   Deliberate consent.
All three conditions must be met for it to be a mortal sin. If one condition is seriously lacking, it's not mortal — it's considered a venial sin.
Grave matter
The Ten Commandments are the standard reference point for defining grave matter.
Full knowledge
For an act to be a mortal sin, we have to have full knowledge of its sinfulness. We have to know
Deliberate consent of the will
Mortal sin also requires deliberate consent. This means that you make a free choice to commit the act.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #39 on:** August 13, 2014, 07:24:55 PM »

Egads... GJC, another Feenyite!

MyrnaM · « **Reply #40 on:** August 13, 2014, 07:41:19 PM »

No matter how you spell it still means outside the Catholic Church.

At least you didn't deny your are one.

One of their best known qualities is they are mean, you know what I mean? :scared2:

BTNYC · « **Reply #41 on:** August 14, 2014, 12:27:44 AM »

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This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse.

That is a subjective judgment, reserved for God alone. You and I are not permitted to pronounce judgment in such matters.

Objective matters are different. We are free to say (and ought to say): Objectively, Robin Williams was not a Catholic, and was a public sinner. Objectively, he had no chance of salvation. Those judgments are acceptable to make.

The Church Herself never pronounces judgment on subjective matters, and never declares even the worst sinners and heretics to be "100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity." Don't arrogate to yourself authority that even Holy Mother Church Herself does not have.

Stick to objective judgment and leave subjective matters to God.

At this point in time it is not surprising to read some of the comments left in this thread. It is a sign of the times.

This is a perfect example of how of a bad thing can actually be a good thing, in so far as we have opportunity to pray for those that not only deceive themselves but everyone they speak to.

Your objective/subjective reasoning is human, and a clear indication that the Divinely revealed truths of God might not be true. When you speak objectively, as you say, you reduce Dogma to a theory, axiom, or a system that is in place that if subjectively not believed could equate to salvation because of good faith, good will or sincerity.

Contemplate for a moment St Francis Xavier. This man of God had two major obstacles in bringing the faith to the Japanese, the first was the language barrier, and the second was convincing these people of God's mercy.

It was hard for those pagans to understand the mercy of God when they were told that the emperors of old along with family members, relatives and friends were all in hell for eternity because the gospel had not yet reached them. It is even recorded that these Japanese asked St. Francis if by prayer that God might show mercy on those in hell, and the Saint's reply was that there was NOTHING that could be done.

Did he respond and say objectively they were lost, but subjectively we really just do not know? Did St. Francis deceive these people into believing there was some kind of hope, like the local frauds do today? Did he lie and tell them to pray for these lost souls because they were having a hard time accepting this news? No, and the reason why he told the truth is because he is a CATHOLIC!

In bold (above) is a perfect example of the curse of modernism upon you.
You are clearly asserting that God acts independently of His Church and reduce the Dogma (EENS) to some kind of interpretation that God really reveals at judgment. St Pius X condemned this nonsense in Lamentabile.

Young Trad men tend to be very long on zeal and very short on wisdom.

You sound very young. Hopefully you are merely young and ignorant, and not old and stupid.

In the account you give above, St Francis' answer was an objective judgment. The fact that you are unable to discern that is evidence that you should probably know what you are talking about before pontificating on it. That's common sense. Look before you leap. Aim before you fire.

What you don't know could fill libraries of books - in fact, it does. Why don't you start reading some of them?

Brush up on your Thomism. Perhaps you'll come to realize the fundamental importance of making distinctions between objective and subjective; formal and material; act and potency.

Or was St Thomas Aquinas a Modernist too?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #42 on:** August 14, 2014, 05:46:27 AM »

It is a shame that many in Hollywood have so much but without God and
His commandments they have nothing but their demons.

2Vermont · « **Reply #43 on:** August 14, 2014, 06:51:00 AM »

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No matter how you spell it still means outside the Catholic Church.

At least you didn't deny your are one.

One of their best known qualities is they are mean, you know what I mean? :scared2:

I was worried that he too might be a Feeneyite. Depending upon how he posts (he is new here), I may or may not ignore him as well.

Mathieu · « **Reply #44 on:** August 14, 2014, 07:40:13 AM »

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May his soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.

You are correct POCHE. Pray for a notorious sinner soul who is already
.......

We are all sinners. We do not know how our sins appear before God. We do not know if in the last moments of his life there was a ray of light that pierced the darkness within and caused this person to make an act of perfect contrition. Therefore I pray for the repose of his soul in the hope that if he is suffering in Purgatory that god will give him the repose and the mercy that I would like for myself when I go before my own judgement.

Poche,

Thank you for posting on God’s mercy.

Many people are unaware that the "depression" drugs that the doctors put people on today make the use of free will very impaired - anti-depressant drugs actually cause suicidal tendencies. Whatever the case, God knows.

That being said. I think you were right to invoke God’s mercy on this poor man. That is the spirit of a good Catholic. Many traditional Catholics today, because they are so afraid of Modernism, rather than fighting it, retreat into a bunker with their guns out. The true fight against today’s evils is through holiness of life and a great love of God and His holy Mother - and great mercy shown to all the lost souls out there who do not have the Truth. I think the greatest obstacle to more Catholics becoming Traditional is the great amount of hypocrisy, bitterness and gall they encounter in traditional Catholic circles.

There is a beautiful story of Our Lady saving the Jєωιѕн mother of Herman Cohen (Fr. Augustine Marie of the Most Blessed Sacrament) linked here:
http://papastronsay.blogspot.com/2011/10/text-of-letter-prophesied-to-father.html

There is also the story of a woman’s husband who committed ѕυιcιdє, and how St. John Vianney told her that Our Lady had saved him; for those who have the official biography, The Curé d’Ars, by Abbé Trochu, on page 539 to 540.

If anyone can save someone who, for all practical purposes, seems lost, it is the Holy Virgin. We are blessed to have her.

I think it is better to leave judgement to God. Those out there who believe it is their “duty” to pass judgement of hell to others will receive the reward that is appropriate to their office as “judge”. I don’t envy them.