I was very annoyed to hear one of the commentators today actually say, "Today the angels in heaven are  laughing at his jokes with him there, while  in Hollywood they mourn his death."

Although I fear greatly for his soul, as a Catholic we dare not say without a doubt he lost his.    Insanity perhaps!  

The latest:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/sheriff-reveals-new-details-of-robin-williams-ѕυιcιdє-181808746.html

Perhaps I'll get flamed for this, but as I read this all I could think was what a selfish, selfish man.  How is ѕυιcιdє anything but the most selfish act a person can make?

Quote from: 2Vermont

The latest:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/sheriff-reveals-new-details-of-robin-williams-ѕυιcιdє-181808746.html

Perhaps I'll get flamed for this, but as I read this all I could think was what a selfish, selfish man.  How is ѕυιcιdє anything but the most selfish act a person can make?

I thought about this too, can you imagine doing that, (act if ѕυιcιdє) to your children, even if adults, they are still your children.  

Perhaps he thought they would be better off without him, but still.  Uggh.

Scandalous and sinful people such as Robin Williams who certainly will
be greeted with horror all the people he caused to be damned into
the eternal fire, is shocked that there is a really a HELL and there is
no way back to tell his friends if they continue their sinful ways
they will be likewise be damned in Hell forever. More of them that
fall into hell more his sufferings will be increased. Just like
Martin Luther, more people he caused to be damned because of his
heresies more his sufferings will be increased.  This is an another
reason not to go along with the novus ordo new religion.
If you want to be a true Traditional Catholic, Do not have a TV, a
Radio, go to the movies, and the Broadway plays. They are full of
sins and are engines of eternal damnation.

Why are these Priests watching that Demon Box they call the TV
at their Sunday Sermons, and dare watch TV when they think
they are safe from their Parishioners.  Except a Jєωιѕн Photographer
from Chicago's most Jєωιѕн rag.

RomanCatholic1953.  I disagree with pretty well all of your statements, but it sparked a question in my head.

The church officially teaches that she cannot declare anyone to be in hell, including those who commit ѕυιcιdє.  The judgement is not up to us. Those who commit ѕυιcιdє cannot be said to be in their right mind, were they in fact exercising their free will to kill themselves.  As an example, those who want the right to end their lives at old age, would be people exercising their free will to end their lives...even then I am not sure that hell would not be so automatic.

Your beliefs around tv's etc. - technology in the modern world - seems to be a right wing born again belief.  Do you have the same beliefs about computers.. you are on the computer, and with all the porn you can get on internet, how do you explain your participation in computers (internet) yet you are opposed to TV with such great stations as Salt and Light, EWTN, etc.?  

Bruce

True, generally speaking we should leave judgment to God and pray for the faithful departed.

But, on the other hand, we shouldn't demean our religion, as if it's not necessary, by offering solid or likely hope that a notorious sinner -- who died in the ultimate despair of ѕυιcιdє -- saved his soul.

The Church seems to agree: she refuses Catholic burial to ѕυιcιdєs as well as non-Catholics. So she agrees that there are average sinners who are "trying", and then there are PUBLIC, NOTORIOUS, UNREPENTANT SINNERS.

It's one of the dogmas of Liberalism that, "We're all sinners, right? So what does it matter? Notorious sodomites, militant atheists, serial killers, and each one of us -- we are all sinners before God."

Uh, no.  At least we sinners are A) not malicious, B) repentant, and C) trying. We're not willfully tempting God by remaining sin for months and years on end. We are trying to not multiply our mortal sins into a pile as tall as the Tower of Babel.

We must keep that balance.

On the other hand, the bad thief was outside the church and Jesus brought him to heaven...it is possible to confess, cause the mortal sin of hanging started before the confession, so why wouldn't it be possible.  Many ѕυιcιdє are attempts because one can change one's mind before it's too late.

The men who killed Jesus should of gone to hell by all that was held as sacred, yet what did Our Lord do, he asked God to forgive them....despite God's commandments about murderers.  So to pray for a person who is committed ѕυιcιdє or done any of the other sins, Jesus himself would of prayerd for their forgivenes....what about the patriarchs in the Old Testament that asked God to change his mind.  What is the role of Our Lady, if it is not to interceed for us when we technically should be condemned to hell....

The position of extremists on the legal aspects of the commandments and what the church teaches forgets the overriding of love and forgiveness....God himself is not bound to the rules of His church, he can and does what he wants, so therefore to interceed for sinners, is that not we are all about...

Bruce

Quote from: MyrnaM

I was very annoyed to hear one of the commentators today actually say, "Today the angels in heaven are  laughing at his jokes with him there, while  in Hollywood they mourn his death."

Although I fear greatly for his soul, as a Catholic we dare not say without a doubt he lost his.    Insanity perhaps!  

What do you mean by "we dare not say"? If your intent is to speak for the whole, then please do not include me, speak for yourself.

This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse. It does not matter if he died a quiet death at home with John Boy, Mary Ellen, Jim Bob, Ben, Grandma and Grandpa by his side he would be in hell for eternity. He was not a Catholic, professed he was not Catholic and had 50 yrs or so to enter the Catholic Church of which he refused.

He choose murder, did not love God first and did not follow His commands and yesterday according to God's providence met his Judge who gave him his due wage....  hell.

It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. No murderers enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Well GJC I support MyrnaM's point.  Do not be too sure of your understanding of what the Catholic Church teaches about hell.  The church, in fact, has never stated that any particular person is in hell; she has proclaimed however who she knows is in heaven through canonization.

What the church does is give us rules to live by that are the best practices to work out our salvation and take back our original creation format before the fall of humanity.  I don't think that a teaching of the church around ѕυιcιdє and hell necessarily means that if you commit ѕυιcιdє you will go to hell. You and I cannot call that...all we can say is chances are that if you of free will choose to commit ѕυιcιdє then you might go to hell.

On another angle, what about our responsibility to be supportive of people who may be at risk of committing ѕυιcιdє.  We need to think about how we label,, condemn, how our arrogance in putting God in a dogmatic box; we need to be kind and supportiive of people.  

In matthew did not Jesus say that there will be certain people who go to hell; why  because they did not cloth the naked, fed the hungry, etc.  and that is the real message we need to take from the death of Robin Williams.

Bruce

What do you mean by "we dare not say"? If your intent is to speak for the whole, then please do not include me, speak for yourself.

This man is 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt in hell for eternity, tormented by remorse. It does not matter if he died a quiet death at home with John Boy, Mary Ellen, Jim Bob, Ben, Grandma and Grandpa by his side he would be in hell for eternity. He was not a Catholic, professed he was not Catholic and had 50 yrs or so to enter the Catholic Church of which he refused.

He choose murder, did not love God first and did not follow His commands and yesterday according to God's providence met his Judge who gave him his due wage....  hell.

It is illicit to have good hope for those who die outside of the Catholic Church. No murderers enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

GJC is indeed in the 1% he speaks of in his signature.  :smile:

Good post.