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Offline John Grace

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« on: June 04, 2011, 06:06:39 AM »
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  • The weekly column of Bishop Richard Williamson
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    ELEISON  COMMENTS  CCIII  (June 4, 2001) : READING  PAGANS

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    Some Catholic eyebrows may have been raised a while ago when "Eleison Comments" (EC 188) recommended the reading of the pagan Greeks to get a handle on the universe's moral framework. Why not rather read Catholic authors ?  But the same great realities of life, suffering and death were faced by the Greek tragedians as are faced by the Catholic Doctors :-- why, as it seems, are we born on this earth, only to suffer and die, and by death be separated from everything we have learned to love ? The question is basic, and can be agonizing.

     

    The Catholic answer is clear and complete : an infinitely good God gives to each of us life, free-will and time enough, if we make the right use of the suffering exactly dosed by his Providence (Mt.X, 29-31), for us to choose to spend our eternity rather with him in Heaven than without him in Hell. The Greek answer is incomplete, but not wholly wide of the mark. Instead of God the Father, they have a Father-god, Zeus, and instead of Providence they have Fate (Moira).

     

    Now whereas for Catholics Providence is inseparable from God, the Greeks separate Zeus from Fate so that they sometimes clash.  That follows from the Greeks having a too human concept of their gods. Nevertheless they do conceive of Zeus as more or less benignly directing the universe and of Fate as being unchangeable, as is Providence within the true God (Summa Ia, 23, 8; 116,3), so that they are not wholly wrong. Moreover they have more respect for their mythical gods, and for the moral order guarded by them, than do a host of modern writers, who have no respect for any god at all, and who set out to negate any trace of a moral order.

     

    But the Greeks have one advantage even over Catholic writers. When they present great truths, these are drawn from raw life and not just - so to speak - out of the Catechism. The same holds true for any non-Catholic witness to truths taught by the Church. Just as today's тαℓмυdic Jєωs, precisely because they reject Jesus Christ, render a special witness to him by guarding jealously in their ѕуηαgσgυєs the Hebrew text of that Old Testament which speaks of Our Lord from beginning to end, so the ancient Greeks give special witness to God and his Providence when, independently of the Catechism, they demonstrate the world's moral order in action. In this way they prove that such natural truths are accessible not only to believers, rather they belong to the very fabric of life as lived by everyone, if only it is sanely understood.

     

    Another advantage of the ancient classics in particular is that having preceded Christ, there cannot be in them a trace of that apostasy which mars, more or less, even pious writers coming out of  Christendom after the Middle Ages. Natural truths are presented by the ancients with a certain innocence and freshness which can no longer be recovered. The waters are too muddied.

     

    In fact it was the Church's monasteries which ensured the survival of the manuscripts of the ancient classics in medieval times. Count on the true Catholic Church to save them once more in modern times from the new barbarians, liberals !  Wherever the so-called "scholarship" of the liberals prevails today, it turns all classics to dust.                                                                      

     

                                                                                                                  Kyrie eleison



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    « Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 08:44:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Richard Williamson
    In fact it was the Church's monasteries which ensured the survival of the manuscripts of the ancient classics in medieval times. Count on the true Catholic Church to save them once more in modern times from the new barbarians, liberals !  Wherever the so-called "scholarship" of the liberals prevails today, it turns all classics to dust.


    This is very true! Only Catholic scholars are to preserve the true intellectual heritage of Christendom, since the academic and social engineers who posit and implement pedagogical modules that are as vacuous and irrelevant as they are impious and offensive, do not have the competence to perform this very important task.

    I generally agree with Bishop Williamson's comments here. However, in my opinion, only certain types of Catholic readers ought to be advised to read Classical literature, because there are some elements found therein that may perturb tranquility of mind. Those who are called to the intellectual and academic life (especially if they are to teach others in the competence of teachers, professors, tutors, etc.) are to embark on the reading of Classical literature (if it is pertinent to their goals) with a very clear understanding of the teachings of Holy Mother Church upon the subjects which the ancients treated in their discourses, treatises, works of art, &c., and (of course) with the consistent cultivation of the interior life and all that it entails (prayer, mortification, temperance, etc.). The latter is indispensable because (to complete the idea I first mentioned in this reply) the only way to cultivate a truly intellectual atmosphere is by the virtue of studiousness, which entails the practice of temperance, as St. Thomas Aquinas taught. Since many modern day "academicians" and "scholars" fail to practice temperance, they cannot attain to the virtue of studiousness and hence will ineluctably be doomed to pronounce the gibberish that has brought about the present anti-culture.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 05, 2011, 02:31:32 AM »
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  • I perfectly agree with the two authors above.
    But another part of the equation should also not be overlooked, namely the influence the Classical writers had on the holy authors of Christian times. Without any doubt, the early doctors of the Church expected their readers to have at least some knowledge of the literature of their time. How could one, for example, really appreciate St. Augustine without knowing Vergil and Cicero? Every page of his works is riddled with their poetry and prose. Not even mentioning the profound power of Hortensius which played such a big part in the conversion of this great Western Doctor.

    Maybe the influence of the Classics is the most profound in earlier times, but it is still very much visible in later ones. It is for example told that St. Gertrude the Great "from being a grammarian became a theologian" - still, her excellent training in the writings of old had a lasting influence. And how could one even understand the meaning of some of her writings without even recognizing all those allegories?
    Yes, education was even demanded from the most humble nuns, so much disregarded in these aspects in modern days.  

    Of course I also have to agree that one has to be carefully prepared for those studies. Without some leadership, that could be quite dangerous. Tertullian speaks of the "catechist of demons", a tutor who knows what to use and what to disregard. And pagan authors should certainly not substitute the Christian ones as done in the Renaissance, as the prothonotary apostolic Jean-Joseph Gaume puts very rightly in his "Le Ver rongeur des sociétés modernes ou le Paganisme dans l'Education" and in his prolonged struggle with the liberal Bishop of Orléans, Mgr. Dupanloup.
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus