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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2023, 05:11:12 PM »
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  • The sources are websites i've visited in the past, which quoted from books.  I don't remember the sites nor the books.  I copied these quotes long ago.  But it's all out on the web...

    Then you're in no position to be an advocate. Why do you promote what you can't give evidence for? How well did you check out the books you copied this from? Or the websites?

    Was it Dupont's work? Culleton's? They are both available on the internet. Why don't you see if you can jog your memory?

    Culleton - https://archive.org/details/TheProphetsAndOurTimes/page/n1/mode/2up

    Dupont - https://ia904706.us.archive.org/26/items/CatholicProphecy/CatholicProphecy.pdf
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

    Offline Miser Peccator

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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #31 on: June 13, 2023, 05:21:30 PM »
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  • Miser, I went to the link you posted and what I found astonished me.

    It's a discussion about a FICTIONAL book mocking the Catholic Church and exploiting Church prophecies about the Three Days Darkness.

    The narrator who is discussing the FICTIONAL book explains that the TDD is actually aliens landing on earth.

    In this context, he FALSELY claims that the Catholic prophecy says the TTD "wipes out all the Catholics" and then snarkily asks "Who will he (sic) convert?"

    Of all of the Church sources for information on the TDD, absolutely NONE of them say all Catholics are wiped out. It is the enemies of the Church who are wiped out.

    Miser, I know your heart is in the right place, but you might want to begin with trustworthy sources (which means not someone on YouTube). Had you started with any of the Blesseds who have discussed the TDD, you would have known this person on the video is way, way off base. He does not know what Catholic prophecy of numerous Blesseds and others have clearly said.

    Also anyone who relies on a FICTIONAL source to make his point is not to be trusted.

    Hmm...that's strange, because I just clicked on the link and it shows Dupont quoting Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi:




    He says that there is a problem with the plot because the Three Days will wipe out non Catholics and then the Great Monarch comes and annihilates the heretics. 

    Also a minute or two before that he shows:




    With the same plot issue.

    He later discusses how the themes of the Great Monarch and TDD also sometimes appear in works of fiction.  This is interesting because they are being put into the minds of non-Catholics as well.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #32 on: June 13, 2023, 05:28:38 PM »
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    Why do you promote what you can't give evidence for? 
    It’s on google.  Don’t be lazy. 

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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #33 on: June 13, 2023, 06:41:35 PM »
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  • Yes, OB, I think many Trads would agree that this post-V2 Conciliar Church phenomenon is the Great Apostasy, the schismatic discessio revolt spoken of in 2 Thessalonians by St. Paul.

    St. Paul speaks of this as a sign that Christ's coming is to follow. It is Christ's Second Coming that destroys this Apostasy. 2 Thessalonians 2:8. This is the divine revelation of Scripture, which cannot be contradicted.

    Where between this revolt, schism, discessio and Christ's return do you see a Great Monarch, a great era of peace and prosperity in a renewed Church? It ain't in St. Paul's timeline, and it ain't anywhere in God's revelation in Scripture.

    There is the 1,000 reign since the cross, when Christ bound Satan, and when the Church spreads the Gospel and saves the "called" ones, the elect, and then there's the revolt, the schism, the discessio, and then Christ's return.

    Other forecasts of some different Millennial reign are, in my view, akin to "Jєωιѕн fables" and "traditions of men" contrary to Scripture.

    This appears to be a minority view around here, but it needs to be expressed, and I'll keep doing so.



    When you think how ALL of the bishops and cardinals and the pope himself declared at Vatican II

    that Allah is Jesus' Father....

    thereby apostatizing from the Catholic Faith

    as antichrists (denying Christ)

    well, what else would you call it but the Great Apostasy.


    Then you consider how this makes the False Concilliar Church

    Noahide compliant...

    Noahide laws are the official laws of the United Nations.

    Those who are not compliant will be beheaded, like it says in the Book of Revelation.

    People can learn more about them at this thread starting here and read to the end:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/we-are-in-the-weimar-stage/msg887229/#msg887229
    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #34 on: June 13, 2023, 07:02:40 PM »
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  • It’s on google.  Don’t be lazy.
     Since it appears you’re either unwilling to defend your own position, or, more likely, don’t do so because the position can’t be defended with legitimate, verifiable quotes from the Fathers, I’ll consider this discussion done.

    It’s as I thought.

    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #35 on: June 13, 2023, 07:05:13 PM »
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  • Thank you, Decem, for your reply. You are always a gentleman with me, and it is greatly appreciated.

    I think you are correct, that there are many prophecies and visions in the Apocalypse that can be applied to Vatican II. I thank you for narrowing things down to Chapter 20, and also for the insights you’ve provided.

    Now, I am troubled by the tone and tenor of the forum threads that involve these issues. Clearly we are speaking about matters that pertain to the future, and possibly even contingent or conditional future events. No one knows the future. The events that shall come to pass are not the subject matter of infallible declarations. Yet there is an almost bitter zeal in many posts, even in this thread. People striving against one another, pushing their own predictions of what is going to happen in the future. People getting upset – or so it seems – because they cannot convince others that the future will go down as they hold it will go down.

    No matter how many quotes one amasses, and no matter how pristine the sources, we are in the realm of opinion and speculation. In my reading of Ratton thus far, it is clear that Saints, Doctors, churchmen and divines have come to manifold and various opinions about the meaning of the Apocalypse. There are different schools on any number of questions. Nor has the Church ruled on them.

    Why then is this a debate? Why a battle? Why a contest? Why more division? Why? Why? Why? In matters of opinion, discussion, yes. But striving in matters of opinion, especially matters pertaining to future events known only to the Mind of God, is against both charity and wisdom. It's unseemly.
    I've run out of thumbs for you, Simeon so here


    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #36 on: June 13, 2023, 07:14:16 PM »
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    Since it appears you’re either unwilling to defend your own position,
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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #37 on: June 13, 2023, 07:24:11 PM »
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  • :jester: 

    Very good. That about sums up the quality of your engagement..
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #38 on: June 15, 2023, 01:21:37 PM »
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  • Hmm...that's strange, because I just clicked on the link and it shows Dupont quoting Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi:

    Listen to the whole video and you will hear this unreliable sourse cite fiction.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

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    Re: Ratton: Commentary On Apocalypse
    « Reply #39 on: June 15, 2023, 01:26:09 PM »
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  • Listen to the whole video and you will hear this unreliable sourse cite fiction.


    Cera, did you read my post?


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    He later discusses how the themes of the Great Monarch and TDD also sometimes appear in works of fiction.  This is interesting because they are being put into the minds of non-Catholics as well.




    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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