Author Topic: Quick question. (Read 4212 times)

parentsfortruth · « **on:** August 13, 2010, 09:40:37 PM »

Took a break for a while. Haven't really read through threads here quite yet, but I'm probably going to.

I have a question that maybe one of you can find out.

There are a couple churches that are being cited for having "all seeing eyes" on top of them... and I was wondering what the Catholic symbolism could be, since most people know what the all seeing eye is. What does this mean? It's on a Catholic Church in Budapest.

See that eye at the top with the triangle? I looked at other websites, and that is, indeed, an eye. But what does it mean? It's not already (I mean, it's -somewhat modern- but really would they allow this at that time so blatantly already?) an Illuminati symbol is it?

Thanks for answering.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2010, 10:11:44 PM »

:rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah: :rahrah:

Glad to see you're back, and so is everyone else.

There is one of those eyes in a former Catholic church near my home..interior, in the cupula.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #2 on:** August 13, 2010, 10:14:33 PM »

I might be all wrong, so hopefully someone else will chime in, but I recently read that the Masons took that symbols from the Catholics. Catholics had it first to represent the All seeing Eye of God.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2010, 10:17:55 PM »

I did some more research. The "all seeing eye" was actually originally a CATHOLIC symbol, first used by Saint Thomas Aquinas, as the Eye of Providence. It was hijacked and used as a symbol for the Freemasons and Illuminati as a mockery of God.

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #4 on:** August 14, 2010, 04:02:13 AM »

So I guess there's no need to worry about that particular Catholic Church! Unless, it was created with a Masonic theme behind.

Dulcamara · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2010, 02:21:18 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

I did some more research. The "all seeing eye" was actually originally a CATHOLIC symbol, first used by Saint Thomas Aquinas, as the Eye of Providence. It was hijacked and used as a symbol for the Freemasons and Illuminati as a mockery of God.

Yes... I wish more people knew this, because there are "docuмentaries" or books out there claiming that there were such people in the church, or insinuating that the church is virtually one with such organizations, BECAUSE OF THOSE SYMBOLS... not realizing that the Church had them first.

I saw one of those videos once, and it was just galling, but that is exactly the sense that they seem to be pushing... to slander and disgrace the Church, and make it look utterly evil. Which is what they are also doing in Hollywood, and in video games, very much... trying to get people to believe that the Church is really an evil organization, or has ties with such organizations. It's such a universally adopted (and insidious) theme in history books and media that there can be no questions of the origins of the attack. ( :devil2:)

Which is why all of us need to know this, and make sure others know this... that these symbols were, in fact, ours first, not proof of any connection with evil groups who have since stolen them.

Trinity · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2010, 03:19:10 PM »

How I wish more of this debunking of faith destructive scandal were going on. They can make it up out of whole cloth or half truths, it doesn't matter. Some souls are lost. And even if it is the whole truth, what good is there in telling it? I guarantee there will be harm in it. More people than you may think are turning away from the Church over this; more people lost.

We are supposed to set our light on a lampstand so people may see the good we do and give praise to the Father. Has anyone here ever really considered what sort of Catholic PR this is?

Thank you for this thread. I see some light!!!!

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2010, 08:40:56 PM »

Come to think of it, I wonder why the Evangelists told us that Judas betrayed Jesus? I mean, it is such a bummer and bad example, dude! Personally, I would rather not know about Fr. Blimpsnort's sins, even if it is clear they have a terrible impact upon the lives of his flock and people the world over...Hey, we all have our faults, ya know?!

Trinity, your message is still a distortion. Sometimes it is better/necessary to speak. Sometimes it is better/necessary to remain silent. The Saints knew this. Common sense and experience tell us this. Your position, as found in the post above, is exactly the attitude that enabled all sorts of clerical abuse for untold decades and enables/runs interference for the present-day cover-ups, too.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2010, 10:32:02 PM »

I am a bit confused by Trinity's post, but the "thank you for this thread" suggests that she thinks this an opportunity where one should speak up.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2010, 11:11:50 PM »

Promote the good; ignore the bad...yadda, yadda.

PR is what wins people, not actual holiness and the beauty of truth and goodness. Make sure we look good before the outside world, no matter what the cost. Who cares how much damage the good Padre does, or how widespread the effects. Shut up...sweep it under the rug even if it is all true -- yes, even then -- as harm will follow if it is made known.

Man, the psychopaths and other scuм who like to work people over must LOVE having such devoted enablers on the scene! Talk about a cake walk!

It is all textbook stuff, really.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2010, 11:28:54 PM »

My point was that resuming your battle after that post makes you look a bit like a crazed man reading into this particular post something that is perhaps only vaguely there. Sure, most of the readership here is regular enough to follow the patterns, but in this particular spot highlighting the subtleties in her post really only serves to derail the OP's topic.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #11 on:** August 24, 2010, 12:15:39 AM »

Copy that, Mater. IMO, the OP topic was short and sweet and has been cleared up already.

That said...concedo. Thank you for sharing your take :)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2010, 01:08:51 AM »

FWIW, that bad guys co-opt symbols from good guys, and then act as if they "owned" them all along, etc., is hardly a "faith destroying scandal" -- it is par for the course. Has anyone lost his faith or his soul because the Illuminati hijacked the All-Seeing Eye? Um, no. I do not think anyone has even lost so much as one moment's sleep over such a thing.

Think what you will, but the main thrust of Trinity's post really had little to nothing to with the OP -- until the words of gratitude you quoted. That is precisely why it caused you confusion, Jennifer. That said, again I thank you for sharing your perspective.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2010, 01:17:15 AM »

Quote from: Dulcamara

Which is what they are also doing in Hollywood, and in video games, very much... trying to get people to believe that the Church is really an evil organization, or has ties with such organizations.

Well, it does not help when there is a Masonic Lodge (called P2) in Vatican City and countless clerics ARE working for the enemy. The history of the Vatican Bank, etc., does not help, either. Like it or lump it, there is so much filth among the ranks that it is totally understandable that outsiders now equate such with the Church herself.

Look at the state of things? Can you blame people for believing certain less-than-flattering ideas when what they see is, in fact, ugly beyond comprehension?

I am not here to excuse the lies, but to say I can see why so many believe at least some of them in 2010 -- especially when the ugly truth where those who (claim to) represent Holy Church cannot actually be gainsaid.

BTW, the undeniable scandals, especially when they are enabled and covered up for decades, are what erode and destroy peoples' faith -- NOT the exposing of them.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #14 on:** August 24, 2010, 01:23:24 AM »

Incidentally, it goes both ways. The Church has often made wise use of pre-existing pagan feast days or temples, for example. God Himself has arranged things so such a superimposition, if you will, was possible. I see it as grace building on nature in a way that is rather tangible.