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Offline Charles

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« on: September 17, 2010, 03:32:18 PM »
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  • Hi, I'm new here, and I'm a songwriter. I don't sing well enough to be in a choir, nor does my Latin skills permit it. I don't play an instrument suitable for Mass either.

    So to my fellow musicians and especially songwriters, how do you approach writing as a trad ? I'm fairly good at lyrics, but since I've returned to the Church, I struggle to decide what I can write about. Obviously, I can't write about anything that glorifies promiscuity or so forth, nor do I want to.

    So besides the obvious no no's, what are acceptable genres can we embrace without raising an eyebrow ? What styles of songs are considered appropriate for trads ?

    Is there an untapped niche or genre for trads ? I know some of it will be opinion, but I'm all ears.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2010, 04:03:13 PM »
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  • Moderator, I may have posted this in the wrong forum, if so please move it. Thanks,
    Charles


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    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 04:28:51 PM »
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  • Anything that is beautiful.

    What type of music though? That determines much.



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    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 04:57:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    Anything that is beautiful.

    What type of music though? That determines much.


    Hi Vladimir, good meeting you. Mostly rootsy/folky stuff is what I do as far as writing songs to sing myself.


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    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 08:16:48 PM »
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  • Oh, as far as that's concerned I think the rule is to keep it so that you wouldn't be embarassed to sing it to someone of the opposite gender, a religious or priest, etc.

    Depending on your skill with composition you may consider looking into composing music for the Church.




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    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2010, 10:36:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    Oh, as far as that's concerned I think the rule is to keep it so that you wouldn't be embarassed to sing it to someone of the opposite gender, a religious or priest, etc.

    Depending on your skill with composition you may consider looking into composing music for the Church.


    Ok, thanks for that, makes sense. I suppose I should have known that as far as subject matter.

    I'm not up to the level of composing though. Perhaps if I had started younger.

    J+M+J

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    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2010, 06:49:25 PM »
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  • An artistic advise:

    The more "universal" your lyrics are the more appeal it will have. Some song written hundreds of year before still very beautiful...some song written today is meaningless.



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    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 01:02:14 AM »
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  • My mind seldom gets enough rest to be creative and write stuff -- but I do enjoy poetry and writing lyrics.

    I'm heavy into singing, though. I sing in the choir every Sunday (though the choir is only 3 people now plus an organist. My voice is the only young one, and by far the loudest!)

    I think when it comes to music, you should just avoid glorifying anything shameful, and try to create pieces with objective beauty.

    I like all kids of *real* music. It has to have a coherent (catchy) melody and/or harmony, and some kind of substance as far as lyrics go. The lyrics don't necessarily have to make sense -- they can be cryptic or strange -- as long as the rest of the song is good.

    My taste is very eclectic. Besides Chant and Catholic hymns, I also like country, folk music (e.g., Irish), some classical, some good pop music (mostly from the 90's), some Japanese pop (again, mostly from 90's) -- plus a few things here or there. I rather like the sound of certain Ska songs (I guess I like horns, and the fact that much Ska music is upbeat). I just like music that sounds good.

    I agree with Vladimir -- anything universally true will resonate with the greatest number of listeners.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 02:22:01 AM »
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  • I have a song going through my head right now, but it's in korean... and apparently that's the most expensive language to learn, if you can find books at all.  :facepalm: But I'd probably buy the entire drama that song is in, if I could, just to get it though.  :laugh1:

    Now, if you like instrumental stuff on the other hand, this Italian guy, Fabrizio Paterlini, is pretty good. And you can get his best album right here, legally, for free. And I mean absolutely legally. Just don't dive into the trash heap it's hosted by if you don't want to see pornographic album covers by trashy "artists". (Which is why I put the direct link to the download instead of the site it's on.)

    Maya Fillipic is also pretty good instrumental. (Same deal as above, this link.)
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    « Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 08:55:10 PM »
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  • Hi Matthew, Dulcamara, any composition for choirs or such is out of my "zone" I'm in.

    I really have to stick with what I do well, or at least what I think I do well.

    I love the old ballads and such. If it can be done on acoustic instruments, I'd probably like it. Here is a short one I wrote to give you an idea... the words are spelled like they would be pronounced and sung in the Appalachian Mountains

    Whittlin Joe

    Joe was the last, of the Tillford boys
    learned to whittle from uncle Lee Roy
    mamma curses Leroy every day
    'cause Joe’s just a whittlin his life away

    (chorus 1)

    whittlin Joe
    how’s your day
    are you gonna whittle
    your life away
    there’s girls in the hills
    of marryin’ age
    but you keep on whittlin
    the time away

    brother Ed married a pretty young girl
    her sister turned around and married brother Earl
    they got a pretty cousin named Darla Mae
    Joe’s on the front porch whittlin a cane

    (repeat chorus 1)

    Darla Mae walked up, took his knife away
    said “Joe listen up, ‘cause today’s the day
    I’m a getting lonely, up on that hill
    if you don’t marry me, I know a boy who will”

    "oh if you don't marry me
    I know a boy who will"

    (chorus 2)

    whittlin Joe
    sent her away
    guess he’s gonna whittle
    his life away
    there’s girls in these hills
    of marryin’ age
    but he keeps whittlin
    his time away

    tag

    reckon he'll whittle his life away

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    « Reply #10 on: September 23, 2010, 10:41:52 PM »
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  • Music can be for personal enjoyment as well. Music intended for public performance or liturgical use is a whole different field with more "rules" than just having fun to wind down in the evening!




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    « Reply #11 on: September 26, 2010, 10:36:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charles
    Hi Matthew, Dulcamara, any composition for choirs or such is out of my "zone" I'm in.

    I really have to stick with what I do well, or at least what I think I do well.

    I love the old ballads and such. If it can be done on acoustic instruments, I'd probably like it. Here is a short one I wrote to give you an idea... the words are spelled like they would be pronounced and sung in the Appalachian Mountains

    Whittlin Joe

    Joe was the last, of the Tillford boys
    learned to whittle from uncle Lee Roy
    mamma curses Leroy every day
    'cause Joe’s just a whittlin his life away

    (chorus 1)

    whittlin Joe
    how’s your day
    are you gonna whittle
    your life away
    there’s girls in the hills
    of marryin’ age
    but you keep on whittlin
    the time away

    brother Ed married a pretty young girl
    her sister turned around and married brother Earl
    they got a pretty cousin named Darla Mae
    Joe’s on the front porch whittlin a cane

    (repeat chorus 1)

    Darla Mae walked up, took his knife away
    said “Joe listen up, ‘cause today’s the day
    I’m a getting lonely, up on that hill
    if you don’t marry me, I know a boy who will”

    "oh if you don't marry me
    I know a boy who will"

    (chorus 2)

    whittlin Joe
    sent her away
    guess he’s gonna whittle
    his life away
    there’s girls in these hills
    of marryin’ age
    but he keeps whittlin
    his time away

    tag

    reckon he'll whittle his life away


    It's like a folk song. Though I'm not much in to that, thanks for sharing! Nice!

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    « Reply #12 on: September 26, 2010, 10:59:17 PM »
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    Hi, I'm new here, and I'm a songwriter. I don't sing well enough to be in a choir, nor does my Latin skills permit it. I don't play an instrument suitable for Mass either.

    So to my fellow musicians and especially songwriters, how do you approach writing as a trad ? I'm fairly good at lyrics, but since I've returned to the Church, I struggle to decide what I can write about. Obviously, I can't write about anything that glorifies promiscuity or so forth, nor do I want to.

    So besides the obvious no no's, what are acceptable genres can we embrace without raising an eyebrow ? What styles of songs are considered appropriate for trads ?

    Is there an untapped niche or genre for trads ? I know some of it will be opinion, but I'm all ears.


    Have U considered instrumental music?
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    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2010, 05:48:16 PM »
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  • Thanks Joan, it's just a bluegrass music type ditty.

    Roscoe, no I just don't have any interest in it right now. Not my forte.