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Offline andysloan

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« on: November 29, 2013, 12:35:09 PM »
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    Jeremias (Jeremiah) 10:14


    "Every man is become a fool for knowledge, every artist is confounded in his graven idol: for what he hath cast is false, and there is no spirit in them."



      "From the moment that art ceases to be food that feeds the best minds,
      the artist can use his talents to perform all the tricks of the
      intellectual charlatan. Most people can today no longer expect to receive
      consolation and exaltation from art. The 'refined,' the rich, the
      professional 'do-nothings', the distillers of quintessence desire only
      the peculiar, the sensational, the eccentric, the scandalous in today's
      art.

      I myself, since the advent of Cubism, have fed these fellows what they
      wanted and satisfied these critics with all the ridiculous ideas that
      have passed through my mind. The less they understood them, the more they
      admired me. Through amusing myself with all these absurd farces, I became
      celebrated, and very rapidly. For a painter, celebrity means sales and
      consequent affluence. Today, as you know, I am celebrated, I am rich.

      But when I am alone, I do not have the effrontery to consider myself an
      artist at all, not in the grand old meaning of the word: Giotto, Titian,
      Rembrandt, Goya were great painters. I am only a public clown - a
      mountebank. I have understood my time and have exploited the imbecility,
      the vanity, the greed of my contemporaries. It is a bitter confession,
      this confession of mine, more painful than it may seem. But at least and
      at last it does have the merit of being honest."


    Pablo Picasso - 1952


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    « Reply #1 on: December 01, 2013, 12:01:09 AM »
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  • It is too bad, but it seems this confession isn't genuine. Apparently it comes from a fictional interview with Picasso, written by Giovani Papini.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 02, 2013, 08:34:35 PM »
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  • Hi Graham,

    Thanks for pointing this out. However, in my subsequent research, I can find no definitive proof either way.


    I note from the Guardian newspaper the following.


    "is widely thought by art experts to have been fabricated by an Italian journalist and critic, Giovanni Papini, in the early 1950s."


    But there is no clear evidence I can find to support this view. However, neither is there certitude of its authenticity, so it can no longer be attributed.


    But what can be said, is that is a good summary of the truth of "modern art" and artists.

       

    Psalms 61:10


    "But vain are the sons of men, the sons of men are liars in the balances: that by vanity they may together deceive."


    An interesting article.

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/c025_ModernArt_6.htm


    God bless.



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    « Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 10:14:06 AM »
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  • Maybe Papini made up the quotation attributed to Picasso but he certainly understood Picasso and his admirers. 

    Thank you for the quotation Andysloan and for the link to the TIA article. The book Life Of Christ  (here) by Giovani Papini is available to read online. He was a powerful writer whose own story of conversion to the Catholic faith is worth looking into.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 12:44:20 PM »
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  • To Memento,

    Thanks. I wouldn't be surprised if it was genuine. It has a confessional quality and a form that I reckon would be hard to fake. Whatever, the truth, it certainly is on the mark. How many of these "modern artists" honestly believe their works fall within a sound definition of true art? Money and fame take the precedence.

       

    Matthew 23:27

    "Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men' s bones, and of all filthiness."


    Much deceit at work!


    God bless.!



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    « Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 12:47:02 PM »
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    « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 04:02:13 PM »
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  • You got it Greg!


    Romans 1:21-22

    "Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

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    « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2013, 04:14:13 PM »
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  • There was a show on British TV about 30 years ago called Beadle's About, which generally speaking was a lot of cheesy rubbish where they played silly and inane pranks on people.  It's important to understand that this was really cheesy underclass TV that the artistic classes and intellectual liberals would utterly distain.

    But in one episode, which I will never forget, they stopped members of the public in the street and gave them household everyday items like keys, bicycles, floor mops, pipe cleaners and a bunch of paint and canvases and told them to just have fun and make art.

    So the members of the public simply messed around and made stupid paintings right there in the street in five or ten minutes.

    But then the TV production company hired a posh London gallery and had a Dutch actor pretend to be the artist and they invited the glitterati of the art world along to see what they would say about the paintings.

    As you might imagine, the glitterati waxed lyrical about how they could see the influence of his upbringing in the Flemish landscape, (because someone had ridden a bicycle over the painting).  Anyway the TV company had the intellectually bullshit on for a good five minutes, because it was really hilarious to watch them, then Jeremy Beadle walked out and they began to understand that they had been had.

    They were literally ready to explode with anger.  I wish I could find that episode on YouTube.  It was a keeper.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 03, 2013, 04:46:50 PM »
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  • The toddlers' finger paintings look better than the so-called "modern art". I bet the "artists" laugh themselves silly that they can actually find fools who are willing to buy their rubbish.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 04:52:09 PM »
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  • I think most of the artists don't think their art is rubbish.

    In much the same way that most Churchmen think that Vatican II is part of the "unfolding of tradition" or some such crap.  The new mass is the modern art of the Liturgical world.

    People are good at lying to themselves.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 03, 2013, 05:16:10 PM »
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  • I hadn't thought of it that way Greg but it rings true. It's rather chilling to reflect upon the fact that we live in a society wherein criminal insanity or something very near it is the norm & the few that are sane can only look on in horror as it sinks ever deeper into the abyss.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 03, 2013, 05:27:34 PM »
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  • Dear Cuthbert,

    You certainly have high quality endorsement of your observation!


    St. Antony of Egypt (251-356)
    "Men will surrender to the spirit of the age. They will say that if they had lived in our day, faith would be simple and easy. But in their day, they will say, things are complex; the Church must be brought up to date and made meaningful to the day's problems. When the Church and the World are one, then those days are at hand. Because our Divine Master placed a barrier between His things and the things of the world."

    "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying: 'You are mad; you are not like us.'"


    God bless!

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    « Reply #12 on: December 03, 2013, 05:30:34 PM »
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  • To Greg,


    If you are short of a few bob, you could always put the contents of your garage on the steps of the Tate Modern and watch the bids come in!

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    « Reply #13 on: December 03, 2013, 08:18:44 PM »
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  • I've no doubt Picasso knew exactly what he was doing. He was often accused of intellectual theft, especially in the case of Georges Braque.

    Nevertheless, the salient point in all this is the citation (above) re. art critics. They can make markets and the madder they are, the more the artists within their circle profit.

    It's really just one more commercial enterprise, little different from industry or politics. And yet, here and there, fine artists still manage to crank out works for future generations to appreciate which occasionally get noticed in the present generation, as well.

    Final point: Picasso actually was a very good draughtsman. The stylized Modernism was what was selling, though, and so...

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    « Reply #14 on: December 03, 2013, 11:23:07 PM »
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  • Modernist Art.


    Cardinal Marx consecrates modernist bird cage- he must think its an altar.





    http://networkedblogs.com/RiUax


    Just like their heads, vacuous!