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Offline jim111

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« on: May 02, 2013, 11:59:43 PM »
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    • I think pictures of Mary breast feeding are OK, but i feel nude art is an unnecessary temptation to sin.
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    Offline Kephapaulos

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    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 12:34:56 AM »
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    • Yes, I've wondered myself what the best understanding of this is. I've gotten different answers from priests. I do know that a Pope ordered that the human figures in the Last Judgment of Michelangelo Buonarroti be clothed. Later on, though, the clothing was removed in a restoration process.
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    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 12:49:02 AM »
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    • Yes.  I'm especially horrified by the normalization of these so called "Life Drawing" classes, in which models come in and pose nude for the students to draw them.  Absolutely absurd and yes, evil.
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    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 03:33:32 PM »
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    • I've never been fond of "nude art" myself, I always thought it was immoral.
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    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 03:36:49 PM »
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    • What about the nudity in the Sistine Chapel? I remember an old poster who was banned, Ladislaus; he said that he thought the Sistine Chapel should be sandblasted. I agreed with him.
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    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 03:51:02 PM »
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    • Art school was so long ago--I read a book called something like Nudis Veritatis.  The thinking was that in sacred art the nudity symbolised purity.  (art school discouraged purity, to put it mildly)

    I know there are any number of beautiful paintings of Adam and Eve, The Expulsion...they could only cause temptation in the most perverted person.  Then there are all of the putti and a good number of Holy Infants...The Expulsion I have in my mind's eye is heart-wrending, I think by a German.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 04:36:40 PM »
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    What about the nudity in the Sistine Chapel? I remember an old poster who was banned, Ladislaus; he said that he thought the Sistine Chapel should be sandblasted. I agreed with him.


    Yeah, the nudity at least needs to be covered up in those paintings.
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    Offline Angel9

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    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 05:19:16 PM »
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    • Frankely, I dont see why people cant paint some nice appropiate paintings.  It could lead to mortal sin, and it is not necessary. If people do paint Adam and Eve in the garden they could put some animal furs on them.  Nudity is bad.
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    « Reply #8 on: May 30, 2013, 07:11:08 AM »
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    What about the nudity in the Sistine Chapel? I remember an old poster who was banned, Ladislaus; he said that he thought the Sistine Chapel should be sandblasted. I agreed with him.


    Absolutely. The emphasis on nudity in Renaissance art was the result of the massive pagan "Classical" revival which took place in Europe during the Renaissance period. Much Christian art from that time period is corrupted with Pagan themes and aesthetics.
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    « Reply #9 on: June 01, 2013, 06:09:06 AM »
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    • I am really kind of shocked how many here think nude art work is evil??? I know there are some pieces that art not sɛҳuąƖly indifferent (and thus not art but porn) but the Sistine Chapel is amazing depiction of the Last Judgment! The many pieces of Madonna and Child (Why would you approve these and not the Last Judgment?), the other pieces of the four last things. It is the artists attempt to give us a looking into the depths of eternity where we will stand before God with absolutely nothing but out merits. Other nude pieces show the crowing of creation. The body is amazingly beautiful. If the rare percentage of people that fall into sin over such a thing, should avoid it themselves! Not create a puritan society. And this is not just a modernist view but many of your favorite popes and saints felt the same way. St. Pius the X didn't sandblast the Sistine Chapel. And thank God he didn't.
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    « Reply #10 on: June 01, 2013, 06:28:45 AM »
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    I am really kind of shocked how many here think nude art work is evil??? I know there are some pieces that art not sɛҳuąƖly indifferent (and thus not art but porn) but the Sistine Chapel is amazing depiction of the Last Judgment! The many pieces of Madonna and Child (Why would you approve these and not the Last Judgment?), the other pieces of the four last things. It is the artists attempt to give us a looking into the depths of eternity where we will stand before God with absolutely nothing but out merits. Other nude pieces show the crowing of creation. The body is amazingly beautiful. If the rare percentage of people that fall into sin over such a thing, should avoid it themselves! Not create a puritan society. And this is not just a modernist view but many of your favorite popes and saints felt the same way. St. Pius the X didn't sandblast the Sistine Chapel. And thank God he didn't.


    I don't think nudity is neccessarily evil, but why is everybody naked in the Sistine Chapel? Why are they striking erotic poses? Why did so many Renaissance artists insist on painting Biblical figures totally nude for no reason?

    Ultimately this obsession with the nude is derived from Pagan cultures and their worship of man and flesh. Medieval artists avoided such idolatry because they had not been corrupted by non-Christian ideas as the Renaissance man had.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 01, 2013, 09:20:28 AM »
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    I don't think nudity is neccessarily evil, but why is everybody naked in the Sistine Chapel? Why are they striking erotic poses? Why did so many Renaissance artists insist on painting Biblical figures totally nude for no reason?

    Ultimately this obsession with the nude is derived from Pagan cultures and their worship of man and flesh. Medieval artists avoided such idolatry because they had not been corrupted by non-Christian ideas as the Renaissance man had.


    Well if you consider displaying the tool of their martyrdom, being damned to hell, or joining the blessed in heaven erotic, I guess my understand of erotic is different then yours. I am just baffled as to why one of the greatest pieces of Catholic art should be "sandblasted" or how they could lead the average person to sin.

    I will have to look into what you are are saying about where the nudity in art came from. Perhaps you have a point. I do not know enough about art history to speak to different periods of time and why they did what they did. I just know some of the most beautiful pieces I have seen over the years are nudes, and very tasteful.
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    Offline TheKnightVigilant

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    « Reply #12 on: June 01, 2013, 06:01:58 PM »
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    • Forgive my vulgarity, but as an example, in one scene depicted in the Sistine Chapel, Adam's genitals are literally hanging in Eve's face. It's clearly deliberate and totally unnecessary.
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    « Reply #13 on: June 01, 2013, 06:17:42 PM »
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    • So a pope tried to eliminate the nudity in The Last Judgement.  Are there any other instances to support nude art (and to be clear, I mean it in the context of these Renaissance artists, not modern nude 'art.') being evil?  One would think that considering how much of it there was, and in a time where the Church had great influence, that if nude art was considered evil, that there would have been far, far less of it.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 01, 2013, 06:19:34 PM »
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    • Are nude sculptures on the same level as nude paintings?
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