So we just finished TT and I have to say I can never watch LOTR on anything but 4 k from here on out. It just won't be the same. I love it and recommend it to anyone
What is 4K, exactly? Is it a better resolution than 3K?
I'm a LOTR fan too. Watch the series at least once a year.
Glad you enjoyed it. Unfortunately, my experience has been just the opposite. I read the books in the early 90's. Upon watching FOTR, though, I found it too fast-paced and so much was cut (gutted?) from the books, that I did not at all enjoy the movie. Mind you, I don't consider Jackson's attempt to be a complete failure, it's just that there's too much in each of the books to pack into a 2 - 3 hour feature. Each book could easily (and should) be a 10-12 episode series. Think three (or four if you want to include "The Hobbit") seasons. Short of that, I'm just going to stick with the books.
I loathe the movies. Apart from reading the actual text, my next best thing is the 13 hour BBC series. And to add to that, Tom Bombadil audio from Tales from the Perilous Realm.You loathe the movies? May I ask what is it about them do you hate.
I have watched 4K movies on my 5K iMac, and yes indeed the quality is impressive.
I loathe the movies. Apart from reading the actual text, my next best thing is the 13 hour BBC series. And to add to that, Tom Bombadil audio from Tales from the Perilous Realm.That's too bad. I grew up on them, and they were my introduction to LOTR, so I have a deep love for the extended editions of the films.
I have watched 4K movies on my 5K iMac, and yes indeed the quality is impressive.
.....thankfully liking or disliking them does not have a direct bearing on one's salvation. :cowboy:
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There are too many changes introduced into the movies that detract too too much from what actually is written, and thus how certain characters and events are to be understood.
One ready example is the glaring error that Arwen saves Frodo at the Ford of Bruinin. Blasphemy! :laugh1::laugh1:
Frodo pushing Gollum into the fires of Orodruin. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
For those who can enjoy the movies.....thankfully liking or disliking them does not have a direct bearing on one's salvation. :cowboy:
I think one's opinion on the movies is directly related to salvation. I am certain time will be spent in purgatory for any who deny the movies the greatest ever made. :popcorn:I believe Our Lord makes them fight the Balrog as penance
I believe Our Lord makes them fight the Balrog as penanceNo, the penance will be listening to Eowyn sing for 10 years
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No, the penance will be listening to Eowyn sing for 10 yearsThe old woman behind Eowyn is silently praying for it to stop.
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Extended edition viewers will get this, this is the only part I will actually skip in LOTR
No, the penance will be listening to Eowyn sing for 10 yearsCome now, I don't think it's bad
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Extended edition viewers will get this, this is the only part I will actually skip in LOTR
Well,well :laugh1::laugh2::laugh2:
I guess I will have to excommunicate from all of Arda all of thee and thine who thinkest the movies of LOTR be good.:incense::incense::incense:
:jester::jester::jester:
Condemned thou art to watch The Sound of Music, forever looped in 4K, until thine eyes are cleansed and ears unstopped. Or you go absolutely mad, whatever comes first!!!Cruel and unusual punishment that! :(
:laugh2::laugh2:If I were to be Orwellian in this matter ;)......
Cruel and unusual punishment that! :(
Might I opt for the death penalty? ;)
If I were to be Orwellian in this matter ;)......:laugh1:
"We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us: so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him. We burn all evil and all illusion out of him; we bring him over to our side, not in appearance, but genuinely, heart and soul. We make him one of ourselves before we kill him."
You must learn to abhor the movies, and embrace The Sound of Music......The hills are alive!!!!!! :laugh1::laugh2::laugh1::laugh2::jester:
:laugh1:Whooooa!
There's still hope, at least you're not so inhumane as to make us watch the Star Wars Holiday Special !
Come now, I don't think it's bad
https://youtu.be/mkjeoINcK_w
I believe Our Lord makes them fight the Balrog as penance
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Well,well :laugh1:
I guess I will have to excommunicate from all of Arda all of thee and thine who thinkest the movies of LOTR be good.:incense::incense::incense:
:jester::jester::jester:
By Manwe, Ulmo and Tulkas, by the Staff of Gandalf, I do pronounce thee and thine very naughty!!! :laugh2:
Condemned thou art to watch The Sound of Music, forever looped in 4K, until thine eyes are cleansed and ears unstopped. Or you go absolutely mad, whatever comes first!!! :fryingpan:. Mwahaha!
On a side note, watching these films again makes me realize that just 20 short years ago we had films with an all-white (and Jєωιѕн) cast and no one would bat an eye.The black guy in the game is a Haradrim ambassador. He went to Gondor as a boy and grew up there and when the war of the Ring began he took Gondors side. He isn't Gondorian by birth.
Yet, now you have Middle Earth materials (like the Shadow of War game) which adds non-whites to the story, not to mention that the upcoming Prime "Rings of Power" series will undoubtedly add woke choices.
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On a side note, watching these films again makes me realize that just 20 short years ago we had films with an all-white (and Jєωιѕн) cast and no one would bat an eye.(https://www.theonering.net/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/image.png)
Yet, now you have Middle Earth materials (like the Shadow of War game) which adds non-whites to the story, not to mention that the upcoming Prime "Rings of Power" series will undoubtedly add woke choices.
Anyone who is a true fan of Tolkien shall cast any aspersions of this being anything but woke Orc faeces. I truly hope and expect this enterprise to crash and burn mightily.It probably will, I hope and pray there is an outcry from the fans if they ruin the series (which, from what I have heard, is Amazon's plan)
(https://www.theonering.net/torwp/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/image.png)Barf.
This is, I believe, the projected cast for the series
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This is, I believe, the projected cast for the series
If interested, someone uploaded all three of the old animated Hobbit and LOTR films to Bitchute. I found these after spending the $3 to rent the Hobbit on Prime this afternoon, which I and the kids enjoyed (I'd never seen it before).
The Hobbit (1977)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/IuNFZ2b48qNq/
The Lord of the Rings (1978)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/e7J1ToZgeoY5/
The Return of the King (1980)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7WeywqgwyTJ4/
Where there is a whip, there is a way!!!!!
LOL ... that's exactly the line / song I had in mind when I made my comment above.That song was fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y
Also, the story is absolutely nowhere near as grim or melodramatic as Jackson's film portrays it, as the Hobbits appear to be quite nonchalant about their run-ins with the Ring Wraith early on.I would counter this by saying that Tolkien wrote the books moreso like a history book, than a character-driven novel. He didn't insert a lot of emotions/thoughts for his characters, even when a war was going on. It was a very fact based account (such as it would be, if it had been written by Frodo later in life). Had Tolkien fleshed out all his characters fully, the books might have been 3x longer.
I would counter this by saying that Tolkien wrote the books moreso like a history book, than a character-driven novel. He didn't insert a lot of emotions/thoughts for his characters, even when a war was going on. It was a very fact based account (such as it would be, if it had been written by Frodo later in life). Had Tolkien fleshed out all his characters fully, the books might have been 3x longer.Scratching my Thomistic head on this one. :cowboy:
The full story of LOTR, as told by Jackson, needed the drama, emotions and gravity which the books implied but didn't explain fully. Not saying the movies are perfect but they told a more complete story. Just my 2 cents...
How can an object/subject - the movies-, which has shown itself to be deficient in itself, provide a greater completion of the tale than the tale itself?
Good point. It depends how you define "complete". Did the books tell 100% of the story, compared to the movies? Yes, obviously. But...in some areas...the books were written more like a history book than a novel. There is character development/understanding that is missing in the books. Some parts read like: "This happened. Then this happened. Then person x did this." Tolkien explained the motivations of the characters only at a high-level, but not in any great detail.Interesting points, to whit I must stroke my growing beard and ponder upon.
From the point of view of human drama and the personality of the CHARACTERS, the movies were better, but only because of the way Tolkien wrote. Story-wise, the books were better, obviously.
Good point. It depends how you define "complete". Did the books tell 100% of the story, compared to the movies? Yes, obviously. But...in some areas...the books were written more like a history book than a novel. There is character development/understanding that is missing in the books. Some parts read like: "This happened. Then this happened. Then person x did this." Tolkien explained the motivations of the characters only at a high-level, but not in any great detail.I'd say the Silmarillion definitely fits the idea of a "historical text", but I don't see how that applies to the Hobbit and LOTR themselves. They quite clearly present themselves as novels, complete with emotion and dialogue which would be foreign to a fictional historical text. I would honestly chock up that to the style of Tolkien rather than an intent on his part to portray these as "histories".
From the point of view of human drama and the personality of the CHARACTERS, the movies were better, but only because of the way Tolkien wrote. Story-wise, the books were better, obviously.
Scratching my Thomistic head on this one. :cowboy:
How can an object/subject - the movies-, which has shown itself to be deficient in itself, provide a greater completion of the tale than the tale itself?
Adding or removing anything from the original text diminishes the essence of the Writer's created work. The text of LOTR, and subsequently all other texts written by Tolkien, ARE in esse THE Tale in its fullness, to whit the movies cannot add to the essence/being of The Tale; only mar or obfuscate.
A copy of the Jackson films should be placed on an Index, for historical purposes. Burn the rest!!!!!!!! :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1: :jester: :jester: :jester:
And for Jackson himself......:fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan: (hee hee)
I'd say the Silmarillion definitely fits the idea of a "historical text", but I don't see how that applies to the Hobbit and LOTR themselves. They quite clearly present themselves as novels, complete with emotion and dialogue which would be foreign to a fictional historical text. I would honestly chock up that to the style of Tolkien rather than an intent on his part to portray these as "histories".There were omissions and other changes in the movies - Arwen. At the heart of the matter, we quote Tolkien himself:
I'm interested to hear why you loathe Jackson's adaptations, Kaz? :confused:
I know Christopher Tolkien hated them because they were action movies rather than an adventure, which I very much agree with. Is this what you disdain about them?
“The canons of narrative an in any medium cannot be wholly different ; and the failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.”
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There were omissions and other changes in the movies - Arwen. At the heart of the matter, we quote Tolkien himself:I can't argue with that. Arwen was definitely intrusive in the films in order to justify a romance subplot. But, at least she wasn't completely fabricated like Tauriel for The Hobbit "trilogy". :laugh1:
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I can't argue with that. Arwen was definitely intrusive in the films in order to justify a romance subplot. But, at least she wasn't completely fabricated like Tauriel for The Hobbit "trilogy". LOTR:laugh1:Yikes and yeesh.
If I may ask, have you listened to the BBC dramatization? Would it interest you to do so?Are you talking about an audio dramatization of LOTR (i.e. an audio book)? I heard some of these were made in the 70s/80s but never listened to them. I would listen if you have links.
Yikes and yeesh."That Old Black Magic", Funny! :laugh1::laugh1:
Now imagine trying to turn LOTR and The Hobbit into musicals......
Saruman sings "That Old Black Magic"
Gandalf "I've been through Rohan on a horse with white mane, Shadowfax and his speed is insane"
I think one's opinion on the movies is directly related to salvation. I am certain time will be spent in purgatory for any who deny the movies the greatest ever made. :popcorn:I know next to nothing about LOTR, book or movie. In fact I only entered this thread to discover what lotr means. Is there hope for me?
I know next to nothing about LOTR, book or movie. In fact I only entered this thread to discover what lotr means. Is there hope for me?There's always hope ;)
I will say it is an utter travesty that Tom Bombadil was completely cut by Peter Jackson. :facepalm:Jackson said he had to ditch poor Tom because of the runtime, according to him, Bombadil didn't add to the main plot and he didn't want to drag the Fellowship out any further than he had to. He does have a point but cutting Tom probably wasn't the best choice.
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Jackson said he had to but poor tom because of the runtime, according to him, Bombadil didn't add to the main plot and he didn't want to drag the Fellowship out any further than he had to. He does have a point but cutting Tom probably wasn't the best choice.Cutting out one of the most jolly and carefree Tolkien characters? Some fan. A 20 minute scene would've probably been fine, especially since he felt the need to "flesh out" the Hobbit "trilogy" with a bunch of nonsense that isn't even in Tolkien (Tauriel, white orc, etc). The things of Tom he integrated into Treebeard would've sufficed in their proper place. But, I digress.
P.S : The combined length of all 3 movies are 11 hours and 22 minutes.
Cutting out one of the most jolly and carefree Tolkien characters? Some fan. A 20 minute scene would've probably been fine, especially since he felt the need to "flesh out" the Hobbit "trilogy" with a bunch of nonsense that isn't even in Tolkien (Tauriel, white orc, etc). The things of Tom he integrated into Treebeard would've sufficed in their proper place. But, I digress.I'm not defending what he did, all I'm saying is that there were reasons behind the cutting. I love Tom as much as everyone else who read the books.
I'm not defending what he did, all I'm saying is that there were reasons behind the cutting. I love Tom as much as everyone else who read the books.I know, I know, no accusations toward you here :jester:
Cutting out one of the most jolly and carefree Tolkien characters? Some fan. A 20 minute scene would've probably been fine, especially since he felt the need to "flesh out" the Hobbit "trilogy" with a bunch of nonsense that isn't even in Tolkien (Tauriel, white orc, etc).If Tom had been included, the 1st LOTR movie wouldn't have sold as many tickets and the trilogy might not have been finished. Many people aren't LOTR fans, so the movies have to appeal to everyone. A 20 minute scene of Tom would've bogged the film down and confused many. A film has to make $, let's not forget.
"That Old Black Magic", Funny! :laugh1::laugh1:Save us! Oh the humanity, Dwarfdom and Elfdom!
But sadly "Now imagine trying to turn LOTR and The Hobbit into musicals......" has been done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaHRFlPCtsU
Are you talking about an audio dramatization of LOTR (i.e. an audio book)? I heard some of these were made in the 70s/80s but never listened to them. I would listen if you have links.I see that Youtube has pulled down much original Tolkien stuff. I will have to upload content to Dropbox in the next few days and provide links. :cowboy:
"That Old Black Magic", Funny! :laugh1::laugh1:I sent this to my sister, who is a big LOTR fan and musical fan, and her reply was "Clearly they put a lot of work into this and I'm usually a fan of musicals, but that is one adaptation that should never have occurred."
But sadly "Now imagine trying to turn LOTR and The Hobbit into musicals......" has been done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaHRFlPCtsU
I sent this to my sister, who is a big LOTR fan and musical fan, and her reply was "Clearly they put a lot of work into this and I'm usually a fan of musicals, but that is one adaptation that should never have occurred."This made me wonder if anyone had made an operatic version, so far I found this:
This made me wonder if anyone had made an operatic version, so far I found this:Golly, might as well just go listen to Wagner at that point. :cowboy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYhK9Gp4xNM
Earlier today I found out that our beloved auther, John Ronald Ruel Tolkien translated the Hail Mary, Our Father and Glory be into elvish. So, yes, you can say the Rosary in elvish.Wow. Now I only need to learn how to pronounce Elvish and I can say it on his next birthday :laugh1:
Hail Mary:
Aia María quanta Eruanno
i Héru aselyë
aistana elyë imíca nísi
ar aistana i yávë mónalyo Yésus
Airë María Eruo ontaril
á hyamë rámen úcarindor
sí ar lúmessë ya firuvammë: násië
Glory Be:
alcar i Ataren ar i Yondon ar i Airefean
tambë engë i et...
Our Father:
Átaremma i ëa han Eä
na airë esselya
aranielya na tuluva
na carë indómelya
cemendë tambe Erumandë
ámen anta síra ilaurëa massamma
ar ámen apsenë úcaremmar
sív’ emmë apsenet tien i úcarir emmen
álamë tulya úsahtienna
mal ámë etelehta ulcullo: násië
Earlier today I found out that our beloved auther, John Ronald Ruel Tolkien translated the Hail Mary, Our Father and Glory be into elvish. So, yes, you can say the Rosary in elvish.Thank you for bringing this up. I had but almost forgotten about these translations.
Hail Mary:
Aia María quanta Eruanno
i Héru aselyë
aistana elyë imíca nísi
ar aistana i yávë mónalyo Yésus
Airë María Eruo ontaril
á hyamë rámen úcarindor
sí ar lúmessë ya firuvammë: násië
Glory Be:
alcar i Ataren ar i Yondon ar i Airefean
tambë engë i et...
Our Father:
Átaremma i ëa han Eä
na airë esselya
aranielya na tuluva
na carë indómelya
cemendë tambe Erumandë
ámen anta síra ilaurëa massamma
ar ámen apsenë úcaremmar
sív’ emmë apsenet tien i úcarir emmen
álamë tulya úsahtienna
mal ámë etelehta ulcullo: násië
The Rings of Power: woke garbage confirmed. Black elves, black female dwarves, warrior-princess Galadriel. This is going to be shit.May it die 10000 deaths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO8RiRhWII4&t=325s
Probably has something to do with all of the right wingers, such as Catholics, perennial Traditionalists, and "white nationalists" who love Tolkien.Aka the people that make up 90% of the fandom
Aka the people that make up 90% of the fandomI find it ironic that my sister loves Tolkien but t supports progressive views herself...
Another thing I noticed the Tolkien fans tend to have that was reflected in Tolkien's works is a love of morals and virtue, even if its natural virtue. People read the books and even when they watch the movies they want to reflect the virtues shown, (i.e. the loyalty of Sam, perseverance of Frodo, repentance of Boromir for his faults, the purity of heart that Faramir possesses)
Its something the Game of Thrones didn't have, that show threw virtue and morals out the window. Envy, lust, hatred, revenge dominated the storyline. George Martin said he added that stuff to "reflect human nature", "reflecting the tendencies of our heart".
May I remind you the director said he wants the Amazon series to be the "next Game of Thrones"
It was only a matter of time before the woke film makers got hold of Tolkien, and turned his work into something that it wasn't meant to be.Seems par the course for any big-name entertainment productions these days, sadly.
This often happens after a writer dies, and their work becomes a free-for-all. Christopher Tolkien, the late son of JRR (died in 2020) who managed the Tolkien legacy, wasn't even a fan of the Peter Jackson films, but it may be different for the grandchildren. They may not much mind if their grandfather's writing legacy is not properly portrayed, in a significant way.
With Agatha Christie's books, for example, the latest British film versions of her books have unfortunately included homo characters and sordid situations which weren't a part of Christie's books. There are examples of other writer's as well.
Seems par the course for any big-name entertainment productions these days, sadly.
Someone in one of the videos I watched on RoP pointed out that Amazon didn't really release ANY information on the series (production started 2017, set to come out SEPTEMBER) until after Chris Tolkien died. I'm sure he's rolling in his grave now. :facepalm:
Just an initial thought….:laugh1:
Strange how we still say rolling in the grave, yet the soul has already departed to one of three destinations.
“John Brown’s body is mouldering in the grave, but his soul doth burn in Hell!”
Woke Tolkien defilers should be rounded up and sent to the pits of Utumno.
:laugh1:They do in movies though. :jester: And apparently dance too. :laugh1:
When I was a dumb little kid, I seriously thought corpses could roll in their graves
It's like a bad accident. I can't help it:jester::laugh1::laugh2: But also :facepalm: :fryingpan: yet Kazicebear will :pray: for you :cowboy:
It feels fake, not the realistic feel Jackson had. Similar to the fake feel the Hobbit had.Yes, it will. And when you know that they only had the rights to LOTR and the Hobbit, there is a ton of first and second age lore they are going to have to make up.
My 2 cents. It's not a good trailer, it's not bad. If there wasn't "before the ring" "before the fellowship" and a LOTR title, its indistinguishable from any other modern fantasy show. That being said, looking at the characters and knowing "that's Galadriel", "that's Elrond", "that's Durin" and you remember the Vanity Fair article, you have the sinking feeling that it's going to stink.
:clown::clown::clown:Dont make me break out The Sound of Music my friend! :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:
Unpopular opinion: I actually ended up really liking the Hobbit trilogy after watching it again recently. :cowboy:
Dont make me break out The Sound of Music my friend! :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:(https://media1.tenor.com/images/b3f4f56a308f2a3b588bdc4b0ca99e3b/tenor.gif?itemid=14204913)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmFgAMTEg0E:laugh2:
Magnificent. Tolkien truly did succeed in making LotR a modern-day legend or myth, meant to be recited than read. If only he had narrated the entire trilogy...The entire LOTR and The Hobbit as read by Brian Inglis are very, very good if not excellent.
https://youtu.be/LWxnHuVEwUg
The entire LOTR and The Hobbit as read by Brian Inglis are very, very good if not excellent.Do you mean Rob Inglis? I'm not finding Brian Inglis
Do you mean Rob Inglis? I'm not finding Brian Inglisoh boy. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: This Polish polar bear made a boo boo. Why was I thinking Brian? Must be the Tylenol 4s wearing off. Feels like Orcs have been using my legs for Mordor shuffleboard. :'(