Nadir,
I know you won't believe me, but I can assure you that reading this guide about this movie and what your imagination creates regarding what you think they are describing will be what causes a near occasion of sin far and away more than watching the movie---I can assure you that.

Gabrielle, the reason I did not copy and paste the review (parental guide) is that this is a Catholic site and I do not want to disturb anyone's peace of mind or conscience or to stir up someone else's imagination. I do not imagine anything here, but a young man reading it, could be faced with a possible occasion of sin. There is nothing wrong with imagination, but imagination is affected by what goes into the mind.  

I would try to describe it to you but I don't think it would do any good.

Well, there really is no need for you to describe it. That website I quoted gives a good review of the movie itself, which has quite an interesting story line and could have be done well, by the sound of it. It just seems that, as in books,  the people who produce these things have a need to portray pornographic material as a way of selling the thing to a disordered public.

Also, again, I wouldn't recommend this movie for children and I would take out the scenes that are unnecessary and annoying, but there is nothing in this movie that is of concern for me.  And no, I do not have a hardened conscience, and anyone who knows me would probably laugh out loud if they heard someone say that regarding me.

It seems to me that, if these things seem to you a normal part of your entertainment, then it is quite possible that you do have "a hardened conscience". Maybe it is that you are just young and naive.

Are you not striving to be "perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect"?
Are you not here to learn about the Catholic faith from those who are wiser than you? and how you can become more Lady-like?


 

I thought Amelie was trash just because of how French it was, without even considering the four seconds of smut they artificially shoveled in through the production floor.

Nadir,

Yes, I wish that it was not in the movie at all, but it certainly has not hardened my soul/heart/conscience and that is very uncharitable of you to suggest.

Gabrielle, this is what I said, not to be "very uncharitable" but quite the reverse, because I care for the souls of young people who confront dangers like you confront:

It seems to me that, if these things seem to you a normal part of your entertainment, then it is quite possible that you do have "a hardened conscience". Maybe it is that you are just young and naive.

You see, I made a point to highlight with italics certain words as a condition (see the bolded word) of agreeing with St Jerome's analysis, and I gave you an "out" namely you are "just young and naive". Most of us were at some stage of our lives - that is not a put-down. I put quotes around "a hardened conscience" because they are your words.

Are you not striving to be "perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect"?
Are you not here to learn about the Catholic faith from those who are wiser than you? and how you can become more Lady-like?

These are questions which you need to ponder in your heart, though feel free to answer them if you wish. They are asked sincerely for your own benefit.

One of my all time favourites for pure relaxing entertainment is the 1952 movie
When in Rome starring Van Johnson as the priest and Paul Douglas as the convict. A real family movie.

TCM runs this movie every once in a while in the summer.  It's not on DVD so watch for it.  Below is a 2 min clip.

Ha, that looks cute!

Thanks!

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Nadir,

Yes, I wish that it was not in the movie at all, but it certainly has not hardened my soul/heart/conscience and that is very uncharitable of you to suggest.

Gabrielle, this is what I said, not to be "very uncharitable" but quite the reverse, because I care for the souls of young people who confront dangers like you confront:

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It seems to me that, if these things seem to you a normal part of your entertainment, then it is quite possible that you do have "a hardened conscience". Maybe it is that you are just young and naive.

You see, I made a point to highlight with italics certain words as a condition (see the bolded word) of agreeing with St Jerome's analysis, and I gave you an "out" namely you are "just young and naive". Most of us were at some stage of our lives - that is not a put-down. I put quotes around "a hardened conscience" because they are your words.

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Are you not striving to be "perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect"?
Are you not here to learn about the Catholic faith from those who are wiser than you? and how you can become more Lady-like?

These are questions which you need to ponder in your heart, though feel free to answer them if you wish. They are asked sincerely for your own benefit.

Thank you for the advice, but it is unwarranted. If you were a close friend of mine, my priest, my parent, my boss, someone I went to seeking counseling I could see speaking to me in this way, but it is not the case. I don't understand why some people on here are so quick to engage in preaching and counseling others in so personal a way and with so many assumptions. It is a little strange.

I have no doubt you mean well, but you are really assuming a lot and it doesn't seem like it would be your place to do this

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I saw the movie Amelie before I converted. I remember one scene where two unmarried people have sex in the bathroom of a public building and although you do not see them performing the act you hear them moaning like animals and it is supposed to be some sort of joke how everyone else hears them and knows what they are doing. The movie is trash.

While these sorts of scenes are a good reason to avoid most movies, I don't think they're the #1 problem in modern movies.

Sin happens and to give some indication that your character is sinning is not a bad thing. But, no matter if you throw in unnecessary noises/images or not, the absolute necessity of a good film is that the viewer leaves with an understanding that the action was WRONG. The character at minimum should be shown enduring the worldly sufferings that accompany sin.

If the film shows no distinction between vice and virtue, it's trash.
If the film distorts reality to suggest that sinful behavior is either neutral or good, it's also garbage.

Now these are very good points that I can agree with!

At the same time these scenes are stupid scenes thrown in a movie. I don't like those scenes but they are a mere few seconds of the movie and not what the movie is about. I wish they were left out of the movie for sure. But since they are so short and the way they are they are easy to avoid and not focus on given the rest of the movie.

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I saw the movie Amelie before I converted. I remember one scene where two unmarried people have sex in the bathroom of a public building and although you do not see them performing the act you hear them moaning like animals and it is supposed to be some sort of joke how everyone else hears them and knows what they are doing. The movie is trash.

While these sorts of scenes are a good reason to avoid most movies, I don't think they're the #1 problem in modern movies.

Sin happens and to give some indication that your character is sinning is not a bad thing. But, no matter if you throw in unnecessary noises/images or not, the absolute necessity of a good film is that the viewer leaves with an understanding that the action was WRONG. The character at minimum should be shown enduring the worldly sufferings that accompany sin.

If the film shows no distinction between vice and virtue, it's trash.
If the film distorts reality to suggest that sinful behavior is either neutral or good, it's also garbage.

Now these are very good points that I can agree with!

At the same time these scenes are stupid scenes thrown in a movie. I don't like those scenes but they are a mere few seconds of the movie and not what the movie is about. I wish they were left out of the movie for sure. But since they are so short and the way they are they are easy to avoid and not focus on given the rest of the movie.

The director makes their choices and if they wish to ruin a decent film with unnecessary, sinful scenes, then they shouldn't get your support in watching their film. It might be good fodder for an after-market editing (I think there are companies which do this), but unless you're watching a cleaned-up version, you should stay away from pointless filth. Your time is more valuable than you think.

Good points. I would love to have a cleaned up version--those scenes are really pointless. You are so right about our time being so valuable.