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Offline Stephen Francis

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« on: October 06, 2011, 01:58:53 PM »
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    • Friends, I have been a guitarist for over 20 years now. I have played in Prot services; some years ago, before I discovered Tradition, I played at some Novus 'Charismatic' services and at Novus-oriented bookstores, etc.

    My biggest problem is that the only modern 'Christian' (bear with me here) music that doesn't make me want to vomit is written by rabidly anti-Catholic Calvinists. They at least are writing songs using the texts of Scripture as their template, if not as the only lyrics present.

    The vast majority of so-called 'Christian' music, ESPECIALLY that of the Novus Ordo, is banal at best, useless at worst and almost always spiritually doubtful.

    'On Eagles' Wings', 'Gentle Woman'... yecch. I know there are people that LIKE those songs, like 'Gift of Finest Wheat', but I think that apart from some pretty melodies, songs like those are a waste of time.

    IS THERE ANYONE out there writing modern music from a traditional Catholic perspective? There used to be a (Conciliar, but very conservative) Franciscan community that sold one of their friars' CDs on eBay, but I haven't seen them in a long time.

    NOTE:I have listened to and I do own many of the recordings of John Michael Talbot; I appreciate many of his Scripture-based songs. With that said, however, I do not and will not purchase his recordings as NEW (from a store or online); rather, I find them at a local St. Vincent thrift store or at yard sales. I cannot, in good conscience, financially support a relativistic Novus organization like his 'Brothers and Sisters of Charity".

    Assuming there are no resources for modern (NOT rock music, mind you, just not classical, which too many people find too hard to sing) traditional Catholic music, what kinds of songs would people LIKE to hear? I would be glad to prayerfully endeavor to create some songs in honor of Our Lady and the saints and for the glory of Our Lord Jesus.

    St. Cecilia, patroness of musicians, pray for us.

    St. Francis of Assisi, who sang to your Lord from your heart, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, so worthy of our adoration, have mercy on us.
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    Offline love alabama

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    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 03:31:25 PM »
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    • these girls are good!!!!

    http://theladiesofcecilia.com/
    this is their website
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    Offline Anna1959

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    « Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 04:08:59 PM »
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    • As a musician myself Stephen, I TOTALLY TOTALLY agree with you!

    I really love a lot of the modern (and traditional) Christian music, but its almost all protestant. However, in listening to some of it, I realized that the prots stole Traditional Catholic music and just added their words to it! When I get the chance I will list some of them, along with their original Catholic counterparts.

    What I find amusing is that most prot hymnals list "Faith of Our Fathers" by (Father!) Frederick Faber and they claim it as one of "their" hymns.

    Yet Father Faber wrote that hymn as an English Catholic, at a time when Catholics were viciously persecuted in England BY prots...Masses were outlawed, Catholics could be arrested.

    The only modern traditional Catholic music I know is http://www.singingnuns.com

    And also https://www.chantcd.com/catholic.php/page/shop:browse/category_id/102


    I also like John Michael Talbot, but he is novus ordo as far as I know....also Michael Card, but he is prot. :(
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    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 04:15:48 PM »
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    • Pope Pius X wrote on the subject. Popular "music" is about as un-Christian as a clown mass, and I'm not talking about metal or rap. Modern jingle-type music, disney type songs and banal hymns that are not musically developed from a polyphonic classical standpoint are from the devil and have no places in our homes, much less churches. Anything resembling rock music is erotic, and thus to be avoided as an occasion of sin. Usually, if there is a guitar involved, run the other way.  :devil2:
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    « Reply #4 on: October 18, 2011, 07:32:12 PM »
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    • Run the other way?!? I PLAY the guitar! OUCH! :wink:

    Really, though... I just can't believe that there's NOTHING between Gregorian chant (which I love) and "Gift of Finest Wheat" (which makes me want to barf). I know there is classical music of all sorts, but I find it astounding that there aren't trained guitarists adapting ancient melodies so that modern Catholics, especially the young children, can learn them. I don't mean 'rock' music, I mean the SAME melodies, etc, but just with simplified arrangements so that people who have no background or experience in listening to polyphony can appreciate what has been presented melodically in the main before they are inundated with complex harmonic and polyphonic arrangements.

    Sigh... guess I'll have to go learn a WHOLE LOT of ancient chant melodies and hymns. :smile:

    St. Cecilia, lover of music, pray for us.

    St. Francis of Assisi, who sang to Our Lord with joy, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 07:36:07 PM »
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    • Hi Stephen- Have you thought about learning folk songs?
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    « Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 07:46:36 PM »
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    • What sorts of folk songs? I know lots of secular folk songs... what do you mean?
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    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 09:42:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: sedesvacans


     Usually, if there is a guitar involved, run the other way.  :devil2:


    You're not Hispanic, now are you? lol
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    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 01:03:30 PM »
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    • Besides the destruction of Catholic education, our world has been dumbed down musically, as well. I think that your wish to appeal to the youth and introduce them to music is a worthy cause, but didn't Bach teach a new piece to his Thomanerchor almost every week? Which consisted, and still consists today, of typical 7, 8, 9, 10 year old boys? We need musical overhaul of the world! Popular musical forms are the banality that has caused people today to accept the banalities of all other parts of life. I'm also not talking about just "rock", but anything that you find someone bobbing their head to is suspect! It is not poetical musical Glory of God, as Bach called it, but is connected to the baser brute feelings of man. It doesn't have to be Yngwie Malmsteen or Paganini or something! Polyphony can be very simple and understandable by toddlers! Just look at the Lucca della Robia images of small children singing.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 18, 2012, 08:18:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anna1959
    And also https://www.chantcd.com/catholic.php/page/shop:browse/category_id/102

     :cool:

    I went to that website and ordered "Mary of Graces" and it's now a big favorite of mine!!!  Thank you for bringing this to my attention.  
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    « Reply #10 on: February 18, 2012, 08:35:24 PM »
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    • John Michael Talbot's stuff is at least decent musically.  I think it has never become common in NO parishes because it requires too much musical ability to play.  I am no a musician, so this is hardly an expert opinion.  The lyrical content is generally biblical, and I don't recall anything overtly heretical.  I understand he is a bit odd as a person.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 09:39:04 AM »
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    • Everyone,

    I'm posting this () here because the Tallis Scholars sing the Angus to the tune of Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings.  To my ears, for Renaissance polyphony, those singers are the BEST in the world.  Does anyone know why the link won't work?

    Bill
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    « Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 02:01:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    What sorts of folk songs? I know lots of secular folk songs... what do you mean?


    Here is a good start.  Choose your ethnicity:

    http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/fsl.html
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    « Reply #13 on: June 30, 2012, 07:03:26 AM »
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    • Maybe the link will work now.



    It does work now because I omitted the parentheses.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 02:03:02 PM »
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    • If you want non-secular music to play then TdT is right, you're probably going to be limited to ethnic or cultural music.  Are we talking about an acoustic or electric guitar, 6 or 12-string?

    When I'm not playing classic rock, most of my playing centers around Scottish and Irish folk music (though the latter is more suited to the zouk and the Uilleann pipes than a regular guitar), and some Flamenco work (I use a nylon-string classical guitar for this), and I don't think that there's anything remotely offensive with those.  Blues, which is another favorite genre of mine, is a toss up as it usually falls into those with religious themes (invariably Protestant) and relationship narratives of varying explicitness.  If you're looking for something to help with speed and technique improvement, I'd go with Flamenco; just be sure to invest in some finger picks.
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