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Offline Lybus

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Merlin from King Arthurs Court
« on: September 04, 2011, 06:08:59 PM »
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  • I was wondering what people thought of the Arthurian legends, especially the character of Merlin, the famous wizard. I personally find him to be quite a perplexing individual, and I"m not sure what to think about him. What are your opinions?

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon


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    « Reply #1 on: September 05, 2011, 07:10:18 PM »
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  • i am only familiar with merlin from nicol williamsons awesome portrayal in excalibur. the odd thing about him was apparently asesxual.

    i like that silver head plate he wore. does merlin always wear that or was that an invention of the film?


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    « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2011, 03:57:41 PM »
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  • Well, I've been reading Sir Malory's book on the Arthurian legends (at least, a translation of it since it was written about six hundred years ago), and it describes Merlin as being such: He was born because the Devil impregnated a nun, making him the son of the devil. He performed magic, and on one occassion, assisted a king in committing adultery (by casting a spell on the king making him look like the woman's husband) with a Duke's wife (after the Duke was dead), which gave birth to King Arthur. He was an adviser to King Arthur, and also assisted him in many of his endeavors, and told prophecies which all came true.

    What's paradoxical about Merlin is that

    A) He is the son of the devil, performs magic, aids people in committing sinful acts, and tells prophecies.

    B) He demanded that Arthur be baptized by the Archbishop of Canterbury, used King Uther's sin of adultery to lead the kingdom into prosperity via Arthur, enchanted the sword in the stone to guarantee that it could only be drawn by the true heir to the throne, king arthur. He saved King Arthur many times and assisted him in gathering armies. He advises Christian kings and even attends Holy Mass. He even condemned King Arthur (who committed adultery with a noble woman) and prophesied that the child of the sinful union would one day destroy King Arthur.

    Also, Geoffrey of Monmouth, a bishop, wrote a book called "The Life of Merlin," and "the prophecies of Merlin." So what really confuses me is why a man who seems to do evil things like magic, be respected by clergymen? He's a really bizarre character, even in fiction, and I wonder how he has had little condemnation (at least that I can see) from the Christian world. I think the reason is that there is more to Merlin than meets the eye.

    To be honest, I like Merlin and I think he's a pretty cool and interesting character. He is old, wise, and well-learned and helps King Arthur in many of his endeavors. He almost comes off in some way as God's instrument. Like God, he uses the evil of men quite often to bring about a greater good. He knew that King Uther would commit the sin of adultery, and so he allowed him to do so and was able to take Arthur for himself and give him to a family to be well-raised, and later to become one of the most famous of Christian Kings.

    So yea, Merlin is a very odd character.

    And as to whether or not he wore a silver plate on on his head, I highly doubt it. But then again, since he is most likely a fiction character, it can be left to the imagination. I personally always imagined him as having a large white beard and long white flowing hair and wearing long robes.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 05:08:56 PM »
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  • I tried reading Mallory aloud to my kids and unfortunately it didn't click as other books have..it was a tad ribald if I recall, and over their heads.

    I really ought to finish reading.  I still believe a lot of the legend is true  (like Robin Hood)and I hope it's OK to be that way.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 08:08:25 AM »
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  • Well, the Arthurian Legends from Sir Malory's writings are probably a bit gory for young children. Some of it, at least from the version i was writing, was pretty specific in how the knights killed one another.

    I have wondered whether dragons and the like really did exist in the middle ages. People like Kent Hovind think that dragons might have been around. Robin Hood is technically not a part of the Arthurian legends (that I know of), but who knows? There might have been a real man behind the legend.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon


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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 12:59:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lybus
    Well, the Arthurian Legends from Sir Malory's writings are probably a bit gory for young children. Some of it, at least from the version i was writing, was pretty specific in how the knights killed one another.

    I have wondered whether dragons and the like really did exist in the middle ages. People like Kent Hovind think that dragons might have been around. Robin Hood is technically not a part of the Arthurian legends (that I know of), but who knows? There might have been a real man behind the legend.


    Wonder no more about dragons!  We already have St. George and St. Martha, but if that doesn't work, Matthew put a link to a persuasive lecture by a dragon expert.  I can't go looking for it because I have to run--ah, I can't even remember which subforum but you could check YouTube.  The man has a dragon museum.

    The lectures were well worth watching!

    I'm glad you brought the subject of Sir Malory.  The circuмstances of Merlin's birth are sort of worrisome.  Could it be the translation?

    I need to dash off--

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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 03:25:38 PM »
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  • Merlin does have certain traits of Satan, that's for sure. Satan works behind the scenes, always up to no good. Merlin does the same, except he's usually up to some good.

    What's the name of the man? I can look him up on youtube.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 04:02:21 PM »
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  • I believe Merlin was supposed to be a demigod and a kind of pagan druid, or at least a representative of the good paganism. It might shed light on the 'tutelary' relation he had with the Christian figures.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 06:52:22 PM »
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  • Is there an author that does an analysis on the characters of the Arthurian legends that you know of?

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 07:32:57 PM »
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  • No, sorry. But if you find something good, let me know about it.

    Edit: Come to think of it, C.S. Lewis was quite enamoured of Merlin; he may have written something worthwhile.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 13, 2011, 04:49:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
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    Well, the Arthurian Legends from Sir Malory's writings are probably a bit gory for young children. Some of it, at least from the version i was writing, was pretty specific in how the knights killed one another.

    I have wondered whether dragons and the like really did exist in the middle ages. People like Kent Hovind think that dragons might have been around. Robin Hood is technically not a part of the Arthurian legends (that I know of), but who knows? There might have been a real man behind the legend.


    Wonder no more about dragons!  We already have St. George and St. Martha, but if that doesn't work, Matthew put a link to a persuasive lecture by a dragon expert.  I can't go looking for it because I have to run--ah, I can't even remember which subforum but you could check YouTube.  The man has a dragon museum.

    The lectures were well worth watching!

    I'm glad you brought the subject of Sir Malory.  The circuмstances of Merlin's birth are sort of worrisome.  Could it be the translation?

    I need to dash off--


    *Bump*

    What was the name of the man? I tried to look for a dragon expert but could not find one.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon


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    « Reply #11 on: September 13, 2011, 05:11:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lybus
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    Well, the Arthurian Legends from Sir Malory's writings are probably a bit gory for young children. Some of it, at least from the version i was writing, was pretty specific in how the knights killed one another.

    I have wondered whether dragons and the like really did exist in the middle ages. People like Kent Hovind think that dragons might have been around. Robin Hood is technically not a part of the Arthurian legends (that I know of), but who knows? There might have been a real man behind the legend.


    Wonder no more about dragons!  We already have St. George and St. Martha, but if that doesn't work, Matthew put a link to a persuasive lecture by a dragon expert.  I can't go looking for it because I have to run--ah, I can't even remember which subforum but you could check YouTube.  The man has a dragon museum.

    The lectures were well worth watching!

    I'm glad you brought the subject of Sir Malory.  The circuмstances of Merlin's birth are sort of worrisome.  Could it be the translation?

    I need to dash off--


    *Bump*

    What was the name of the man? I tried to look for a dragon expert but could not find one.


    I tried to find him!  If you PM Matthew, he will remember.  I used dragons in the search mode.

    You'll love the videos Matthew embedded.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 13, 2011, 08:49:18 PM »
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  • alright, I'll do that then.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 10:16:23 PM »
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  • Well, I was checking out one of Chesterton's books and found this article completely on accident. Apparently Chesterton actually wrote a small article on the Legends of Merlin. Since I found it I thought I'd share. Unfortunately i couldn't find the article online, but i did find an ebook that has the article inside it. This is the link:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=tJhsywPcWJMC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=%22legends+of+merlin%22+chesterton&source=bl&ots=PmQ7sT_FPj&sig=0IRVXxGLXRcsTompmYegdCoyKbg&hl=en&ei=QPqYTvOqPJGatwfCwdXnAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Just scroll down until you see "September 8 1923: Legends of Merlin"

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon

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    « Reply #14 on: October 15, 2011, 09:44:26 PM »
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  • Look up Mr. Hovind, who is a creationist. He has a website at
    www.drdino.com

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