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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Mel Gibson
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2022, 06:33:24 AM »
Quote from: buxtehude on June 26, 2022, 01:44:16 AM

Why are you replying to my reply to someone else and not my reply to you?

You've conveniently avoided addressing Romans 16:20 which falsifies your claim of Mary's exclusivity in treading underfoot the serpent.

"And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen." - Romans 16:20

If her seed bruises Satan, then she bruises Satan. Genesis 3:15 says as much (particularly with the commentary of Apoc 12), since the "enmities" are between Satan and "the woman" and "her seed" - if they "crush," she "crushes":

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Gen 3:15 -I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

Apoc 12:17-18 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.









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Offline buxtehude

Re: Mel Gibson
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2022, 06:49:45 AM »
Quote from: Miser Peccator on June 26, 2022, 04:38:41 AM
St John doesn't just "mention war between the devil and Christians".

He is specifically speaking about enmity between Satan and "THE WOMAN" from Genesis 3 which he quotes verbatim.
You made a generalization about the Devil not Mary so the emphasis or presence of Mary does not undo the fallacious logic:

"St John mentions a war between the devil and Mary + saints, therefore the devil is only seeking to harm Mary + saints."

This is the fallacy of hasty generalization. Just because St John mentions a war between the devil and Mary + saints does not mean that the devil is also not leading astray, further perverting and destroying mankind as a whole too.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Mel Gibson
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2022, 07:02:34 AM »
Quote from: LeMond on June 25, 2022, 11:00:24 AM
He didn't need Mary. God doesn't need anyone or anything, but He chose Mary because she passed the Litmus Test in her life . . . God could've entered the world in any way but He chose Mary because she passed where everyone else failed.

You make it sound like what Mary's "work" came first. As if God looked "down the corridors of time," and said, "hey, lookie at this perfect woman, let me make her the mother of my Son." I disagree strongly with that.

Like all of the elect, she was endowed by God with saving graces that preceded anything she did or her own merits (see Haydock note on Ephesians 1 attached).His gracing caused the subsequent merits, efficaciously caused them.

She was predestined inexorably by the hand of God. She succeeded where "everyone else failed" because she was "endowed" with special graces (e.g., her immaculate conception) that none of the other elect were given. See attached pages from Fr. Garrigou Lagrange, The Mother of the Saviour.
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Offline Incredulous

Re: Mel Gibson
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2022, 01:39:03 PM »
Quote from: buxtehude on June 26, 2022, 06:49:45 AM
You made a generalization about the Devil not Mary so the emphasis or presence of Mary does not undo the fallacious logic:

"St John mentions a war between the devil and Mary + saints, therefore the devil is only seeking to harm Mary + saints."

This is the fallacy of hasty generalization. Just because St John mentions a war between the devil and Mary + saints does not mean that the devil is also not leading astray, further perverting and destroying mankind as a whole too.
Bux-babe,

Are you just another covert protestant trolling a trad Catholic forum?

:popcorn:
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Offline josefamenendez

Re: Mel Gibson
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2022, 05:51:13 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on June 26, 2022, 07:02:34 AM
You make it sound like what Mary's "work" came first. As if God looked "down the corridors of time," and said, "hey, lookie at this perfect woman, let me make her the mother of my Son." I disagree strongly with that.

Like all of the elect, she was endowed by God with saving graces that preceded anything she did or her own merits (see Haydock note on Ephesians 1 attached).His gracing caused the subsequent merits, efficaciously caused them.

She was predestined inexorably by the hand of God. She succeeded where "everyone else failed" because she was "endowed" with special graces (e.g., her immaculate conception) that none of the other elect were given. See attached pages from Fr. Garrigou Lagrange, The Mother of the Saviour.
Proverbs 8 is traditionally applied to Our Lady as the person referred to  as "created being" which would eliminate The Uncreated second person of the Most Holy Trinity as the subject. The Proverb also refers to "Wisdom" as subject of the proverb, as our Lady's title is also of "Seat of Wisdom".

30 I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times;
31 Playing in the world: and my delights were to be with the children of men.
32 Now therefore, ye children, hear me: Blessed are they that keep my ways.
33 Hear instruction and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, and that watcheth daily at my gates, and waiteth at the posts of my doors.
35 He that shall find me, shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord:
36 But he that shall sin against me, shall hurt his own soul. All that hate me love death.

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