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Offline alaric

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Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2025, 04:51:33 PM »
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  • Let me correct that for you:

    "It's a movie based on judaized scriptures."


    The very basis of our Catholic theology is that The Virgin Mary has exclusive license to crush the head of the serpent.

    Book of Genesis 3:15

    "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

    In his "Passion", Gibson visually gave you the redacted, Protestant version of the Book of Genesis... and you didn't even notice it.
    This is known as the Protoevangelium, fotetelling how the seed ( Christ) of Eve ( Mary) will crush the head of the serpent ( satan) and the serpent will bruise his heel ( Christ Crucifixion). I think that scene is exactly that, Christ , the seed of the woman crushed the head of the snake, but it cost Him his life in being crucified and dying for us to defeat death and lifting the expulsion of mankind from heaven.

    Correct me if I'm wrong on Catholic theological teaching on this.

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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #31 on: August 13, 2025, 08:29:32 PM »
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  • He's made some trash movies like any other hollyweird actor, no surprise there, that's just part of the " business,", the best hitters in baseball average about .300, that's roughly 3 out of ten hits every at bat, not every pic is gonna be a hr, but the man has acted, directed and produced some classics, a lot more than the majority of his peers.

    I need more proof he's a mason than a few obscure , speculative pics. The man was raised a sed catholic, I highly doubt he ever joined such an anticatholic organization.


    And the scene from the passion was probably symbolic of defeating the devil, more than taking away from Our Lady in Holy Scripture, IDK, I don't read the man's mind, has he ever commented on that scene publicly?
    As for the adultery thing, just one of the many public problems he's gotta deal with, probably all wrapped in his issues with alchohol, I never daid the man's a saint. But I believed he's produced some pretty good stuff over the years, I'll take him and his fight with the jews well over fag, anti christian , dominated industry he works in.

    I take it back.

    On 2nd thought, Gibson is your image of a struggling, trad Catholic, drinker & womanizer, making it in jew-dominated Hollywood.

    It doesn't matter what Catholic mockeries, scandals, heretical concepts or masonic signs he's performs for the world.




    As long as he's wearing his Scapular... he's a real trad.


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #32 on: August 13, 2025, 08:35:44 PM »
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  • This is known as the Protoevangelium, fotetelling how the seed ( Christ) of Eve ( Mary) will crush the head of the serpent ( satan) and the serpent will bruise his heel ( Christ Crucifixion). I think that scene is exactly that, Christ , the seed of the woman crushed the head of the snake, but it cost Him his life in being crucified and dying for us to defeat death and lifting the expulsion of mankind from heaven.

    Correct me if I'm wrong on Catholic theological teaching on this.

    We all grew up knowing this.



    Certainly, Gibson has a good bio-cover story.

    But I think he didn't grow-up knowing this.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #33 on: August 13, 2025, 09:02:37 PM »
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  • While I hate the Protestants' anti-catholic, anti-Mary "re-interpretation" of Genesis, I always took the crushing of the serpent's head in the garden as Christ, who allowed His human nature to be tempted, decided at that moment to accept His death and reject the weakness of His humanity, as an example to all of us.

    As much as it's true that Our Lady will "crush satan's head", we have to remember that Christ's death on the Cross was/is not the end of this prophecy.  Christ died, the Church was born, and 2,000 years later, we're still fighting satan.  Our Lady's victory is not yet complete.

    But in the case of the Garden, and with Christ on the cross, He alone is Our Redeemer.  He alone sufficed to God the Father.  It is true that it was His victory, alone, who saved us from sin.  (Our Lady does play a mystical part in all of this, without question).

    But the larger story, post-Crucifixion, post-Resurrection...THAT is when Our Lady took a part in helping the Apostles and praying for the Church.  So Her "crushing the head of satan" is ongoing and also, yet to come (God will give Her the final victory).

    So, I think both are true.  Christ did crush satan's head through His crucifixion, because satan ruled all the world through sin.  But Our Lady will also crush satan's head at the end of time, through the Church, as the battle for souls wages on.  Our Lady plays a part in both victories, because the story from Eden long ago, is not finished until the end of time.

    The prottys always focus on Christ's redemption and think that "the story is over" because "Christ died once and for all", and they believe "once saved, always saved".  This is their error.  Life goes on, the battle goes on, and Our Lady plays the most important part.  Of course, the prottys have no idea about this.

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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #34 on: August 14, 2025, 10:43:54 AM »
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  • Right, the Challoner commentary indicates that both senses are in fact true.  Our Lady did not crush the serpent's head in any way independent of Our Lord.  She too had been (pre-)redeemed by His Passion, and cooperated in it.

    In the context of the film, where the serpent is engaged in THE greatest tempation in trying to dissuade Our Lord from redeeming manking, when Our Lord definitively overcomes said temptation, that is when one can say that at least for dramatic purposes it makes most sense to depict that scene.  So, what should Gibson have done, panned away to Our Lady, whever she was and have her crushing a serpent.  If nothing else, it just doesn't really flow from a dramatic standpoint.  Perhaps he could have found a creative way to work it in, but he didn't.  But I doubt Gibson was just cowering to Protestants, give much of the other content in the film, nor even did he shy away completely from the Jews, the way he depicted them, making them look really bad, petty, unjust, hostile, vindictive, hateful, and immature ... and made Pilate out to be a somewhat sympathetic figure by comparison, placing the blame squarely where it belonged, and of course adding himself in there where it's his hand in the scene holding the nail to help drive it into Our Lord's Hand.



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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #35 on: August 14, 2025, 11:39:38 AM »
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  • May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #36 on: August 14, 2025, 01:26:10 PM »
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  • Right, so the mere fact that he says that Caviezel could just be mistaken or misled (in good faith) about the h0Ɩ0h0αx is enough now to slander that poster as a "fake", right?  In other words, even by two degrees of separation, such as when you're a heretic not only for holding a certain position, but also a heretic even if you don't hold that position but merely say that one's not necessarily a heretic for holding it.  Many people have been propagandized into believing in the h0Ɩ0h0αx so thoroughly that telling them it didn't happen would be met with exactly the same reaction as you'd get from a globe-believer if you tell him the earth is flat.  I believed all that crap for many decades until God (not me on my own merits) straightened me out on the matter.  At no time was I a "fake" or some crypto-Jews, just duped without ever having encountered any reason NOT to believe the narrative I had been fed, such as the famous line from the Truman show, that the default attitude people have is to accept the reality of that which has been presented to them.

    This is why I'm so sick of this forum, literal rectal orifices like this, Incred, and a good number of others who constantly deride and judge everyone, as if they could read souls. Get lost and go back to your dens of iniquity.  For all your hatred of Jews, I've never seen people who were greater Pharises that you and several others here.

    Rather than being edified in coming onto this Traditional Catholic forum, I find myself disgusted by garbage like these slanders.

    I was misled as well. I believed in this nonevent until my late-20s. But I didn't have a best friend for over 20 years (as Caviezel has had in Gibson) who knew it didn't happen, and my good friend's father as well (Hutton). In my conversations with this good friend, who made me millions of dollars (as Gibson has made Caviezel), I never thought (or my good friend never thought) to converse on this topic? Yeah, right.

    As you can see in the clip I posted Caviezel is virtue-signalling and depicting himself as a hero. It's noxious behavior. He's saying "at Auschwitz, I would have been there. When slavery was legal, I would have been there." Meaning he would have "fought the good fight". Ooh so brave of him. You can be sure Caviezel wouldn't mention the role jws played in the trade. It's a noxious pattern of behavior he's exhibiting.

    His entire demeanor as a public figure reeks of play-acting virtue. It's insufferable behavior. Has this guy ever laughed at a fart joke?

    Caviezel has never once in his public life called out the jws. He's some sort of psy-op. Perhaps Gibson and Caviezel are psy-ops without even knowing it.

    I've corrected you in the past about Anne Barnhardt and Nostradamus, without any thanks from you. I rarely read your posts. Who knows what other goofy stuff you promote that I could also provide some correction.

    I think of the line "if it doesn't gel, it isn't aspic." Anyone with a Catholic sense, or even a decent pagan sense, would spot a phony in Caviezel. He really reeks.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #37 on: August 14, 2025, 01:40:50 PM »
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  • It's perfectly fine that Incredulous is noticing the things he's noticing. I don't have a complaint.

    But I like to keep things as simple as humanly possible. The jw litmus test is the best litmus test I've ever found, and I didn't devise it, for sizing up people/groups. It's why I was so easily able to out VoxClamantis on Fisheaters back in 2012 or so. This was a time when Fisheaters was the most popular trad Catholic forum on the internet (at least in English). I played her like a fiddle, and got her to say "anti-Judaism has nothing in common with Catholicism." I wasn't fooled by her anti-Zionist subforum. A gatekeeping exercise, nothing more. I can read between the lines.

    Jws are behind masonry? Check. Jws are behind incorrect views about race? Check. Jws are behind incorrect views about men and women? Check. Jws indoctrinate the gentile masses to incorrectly view human history? Check.

    Jws use the errors they promote to shore up their power? Check.

    EDIT: All public figures are automatically suspicious, as they are hand-picked by jws? Check.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #38 on: August 14, 2025, 03:30:08 PM »
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  • I have a problem with Mel Gibson.  Just because he wears a scapular, it just is not enough.

    I still am against him giving over a million or more to the Coalition of Canceled Priest.  This group is new order, not priest(liars) Then they lied to be reinstated. Another lie for the restructured church being under the United Nations known as Civil Society Organizations, is to 1: to be rid of New order buildings and institutions, convents, monasteries, seminaries by half.  2. Priest cut out by half therefore 3. one priest to 3 parishes.  4. U.N. support ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, abortion etc..

    So, coalition of canceled priest know they are not to be reinstated.  The group lies.  Yet Mel gives them $$$.  They are not traditional, even if FSSP are apart of the group.  They are still coming from dioceses/Masons.  All of them are masons!

    For us who are traditional, it does not bother us that much to see new order falling apart as it is, for we know God is the one to put the Church back as it should be, but not before Chapter 12 of Daniel (continual sacrifice of Mass to cease or nearly cease, we are there and to follow many tribulations.

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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 04:56:18 AM »
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  • It's perfectly fine that Incredulous is noticing the things he's noticing. I don't have a complaint.

    But I like to keep things as simple as humanly possible. The jw litmus test is the best litmus test I've ever found, and I didn't devise it, for sizing up people/groups. It's why I was so easily able to out VoxClamantis on Fisheaters back in 2012 or so. This was a time when Fisheaters was the most popular trad Catholic forum on the internet (at least in English). I played her like a fiddle, and got her to say "anti-Judaism has nothing in common with Catholicism." I wasn't fooled by her anti-Zionist subforum. A gatekeeping exercise, nothing more. I can read between the lines.

    Jws are behind masonry? Check. Jws are behind incorrect views about race? Check. Jws are behind incorrect views about men and women? Check. Jws indoctrinate the gentile masses to incorrectly view human history? Check.

    Jws use the errors they promote to shore up their power? Check.

    EDIT: All public figures are automatically suspicious, as they are hand-picked by jws? Check.
    While you played her like a fiddle, I called het  and FE out numerous times over placating fαɢɢօts, for which I was eventually banned. Tell me, did you get banned? She was also soft on the jew question and actually had many semitiphiles and Israel firsters posting there, the place was infested with fαɢɢօts, fαɢɢօt enablers and jew water boys and girls. Actually if I remember correctly, a tranny took them down in the end. That's what happens when you allow so much of a whiff of fαɢɢօtry or Jєωιѕн surpremecism in your house, they will  eventually divide it and take it down. I think Quis was fair for the most part, he's the one who sent me here, but it was Vox's forum and she imploded it in the end. And over a fαɢɢօt.

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    Re: Mel Gibson's sequel
    « Reply #40 on: Yesterday at 04:56:43 AM »
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  • While you played her like a fiddle, I called het  and FE out numerous times over placating fαɢɢօts, for which I was eventually banned. Tell me, did you get banned? She was also soft on the jew question and actually had many semitiphiles and Israel firsters posting there, the place was infested with fαɢɢօts, fαɢɢօt enablers and jew water boys and girls. Actually if I remember correctly, a tranny took them down in the end. That's what happens when you allow so much of a whiff of fαɢɢօtry or Jєωιѕн surpremecism in your house, they will  eventually divide it and take it down. I think Quis was fair for the most part, he's the one who sent me here, but it was Vox's forum and she imploded it in the end. And over a fαɢɢօt.