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Matthew · « **on:** August 22, 2024, 06:57:10 PM »

I know what I'll be doing for about 2 hours this December

Lots of people are saying the Japanese trailer is better. It has a better "vibe".
And someone on Youtube even translated it!

@maxalmas7203
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I translated the trailer from Japanese to English. (I speak Japanese): The War of the Rohirrim Japanese Trailer Translation
Narrator:

0:00 - Peter Jackson, and the creator of East Eden and the S.A.C. Series, Kamiyama, tell us a story 200 years before the Lord of the RIngs...

...in the stage of Rohan.

0:14 - The Young Princess, Hera...

and the ultimate crisis approaching her kingdom.

0:13 - Her enemy: Her childhood friend, Wulf.

Hera: "You did not wish to fight back then..."

Wulf: "FIRE"

0:30 - Wulf: "You don't know the me now."

Wulf: "I will have the throne."

Hera: "This castle is our only fortress." (Referring to Helms Deep.

0:40 - Helm Hammer Hand?: "BROTHERS OF ROHAN! STAND TOGETHER TODAY!"

0:45 Young boy: "He sacrificed himself for us!"

Hera: Gasp

Helm Hammerhand?: "You are the daughter of the king."

0:50 - Helm hammerhand: You are our hope."

Narrator: The destiny of this kingdom...

1:00 - Hera: BELIEVE! I have a plan!"

Young girl: "This is the plan??"

Hera: "I didn't say it was a good plan!"

1:05 - Narrator: ... Is entrusted to one princess."

Helm Hammerhand: I have fallen... LEAD THIS KINGDOM!"

Narrator: "The fight for their destiny begins!"

1:15 - Wulf: "Even though we were able to do this one thing?? WHY??" (literal translation... Not sure what he is referring to.)

1:22 - Wulf: "I do not fear you."

Hera: "You should."

Narrator: The Lord of the Rings: Rohans Fight.

Orc?: "What the heck is wanted with these rings?"

And for those of you who want the English version

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2024, 11:44:20 PM »

It won't be good and I wouldn't waste my time. The story revolves around a girl boss (the film creators call her Hera--Tolkien didn't even give her a name, she's Helm Hammerhand's daughter) who rallies and unites the people her father couldn't. Certainly not consistent with Tolkien's lore, and more troubling, altogether hostile to his spirit.

It's going to be very, very modern.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #2 on:** August 23, 2024, 07:24:36 AM »

Unfortunately, it does look super feminist. The female lead is inherently selfish, trying to prove herself to her Father...not for her city or culture, but ultimately, for herself. Hopefully this movie is an epic fail. Go woke, go broke.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2024, 02:40:59 PM »

Was St. Joan of Arc a woke Girlboss?

A female lead character in itself doesn't equal "woke", much less a Mary Sue or Girlboss. There are many books and movies (stories) about female characters. Females can also have strength. But it's different than masculine strength. And they definitely can't achieve in 10 minutes what a man would take 2 years to accomplish.

I'd have to see the whole movie to judge it properly.

Terminator 2 had a female lead character, and she had her strengths -- but she was still feminine (a mother, weak in many ways, could cry, wasn't invincible, wasn't stronger than most men, etc.) In short, Terminator 2 had a strong female lead character, but was NOT woke.

We shouldn't use "woke" like the libtards use "racist". When everything is woke, nothing is woke. We need to be precise in our criticisms.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2024, 03:22:06 PM »

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I'd have to see the whole movie to judge it properly.

No offense, but the trailer shows quite enough. 2 kings fight each other (toxic masculinity) and 1 accidentally kills another (but won't apologize). This leads to war (men's fault). A "strong female character" (nothing wrong with that) starts yelling at the King (feminism) and leads a war to "create peace" and become "empowered" and the "new ruler". The King (after being thoroughly emasculated) even says in the tralier "you could be the greatest ruler" (or something like that).

Sorry, this is Warner Bros produced and owned. They are 2nd to Disney in woke stuff.

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2024, 04:32:46 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 23, 2024, 03:22:06 PM

No offense, but the trailer shows quite enough. 2 kings fight each other (toxic masculinity) and 1 accidentally kills another (but won't apologize). This leads to war (men's fault). A "strong female character" (nothing wrong with that) starts yelling at the King (feminism) and leads a war to "create peace" and become "empowered" and the "new ruler". The King (after being thoroughly emasculated) even says in the tralier "you could be the greatest ruler" (or something like that).

No offense, but you're reading way too much into a few seconds of footage. Nowhere in the footage did it say men are toxic, or that wars are the fault of the male sex. Maybe wars just happen due to coincidences and turns of fate? Just as valid an interpretation.

So all wars throughout history that took place between two countries with male kings were evidence of "toxic masculinity"? Please.

I'm as sick of woke everywhere as you are -- but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2024, 04:43:08 PM »

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or that wars are the fault of the male sex.

Not all wars, but it implies this particular war is the fault of toxic masculinity.

Get back to me in December and see if i'm right. The woke agenda is easy to predict because we know the message they want to send.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2024, 05:24:58 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on August 23, 2024, 02:40:59 PM

Was St. Joan of Arc a woke Girlboss?

A female lead character in itself doesn't equal "woke", much less a Mary Sue or Girlboss. There are many books and movies (stories) about female characters. Females can also have strength. But it's different than masculine strength. And they definitely can't achieve in 10 minutes what a man would take 2 years to accomplish.

I'd have to see the whole movie to judge it properly.

Terminator 2 had a female lead character, and she had her strengths -- but she was still feminine (a mother, weak in many ways, could cry, wasn't invincible, wasn't stronger than most men, etc.) In short, Terminator 2 had a strong female lead character, but was NOT woke.

We shouldn't use "woke" like the libtards use "racist". When everything is woke, nothing is woke. We need to be precise in our criticisms.

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The creators of the film took a female character created by an anti-modern traditional Catholic, a character of sufficient obscurity and irrelevance whom that traditional Catholic did not even care to name, and have made her the lead hero in an animated war epic.
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The safe assumption is that the film will be animated by the Spirit of feminism--whether it is "woke" or not. Not everything feminist or modern is woke.
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You might say that if one is going to watch movies at all, one has to put up with a certain amount of modernity and even feminism. Maybe. But it's insufferable when the source material is so anti-modern and Catholic to begin with. At least that's where I'm coming from. It takes a good thing and makes it less good.

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2024, 07:37:50 PM »

Quote from: Mithrandylan on August 23, 2024, 05:24:58 PM

You might say that if one is going to watch movies at all, one has to put up with a certain amount of modernity and even feminism. Maybe. But it's insufferable when the source material is so anti-modern and Catholic to begin with. At least that's where I'm coming from. It takes a good thing and makes it less good.

Yes, I might say that. That's exactly what I would say. If you restrict yourself to "Traditional Catholic movies" you're not going to get to watch any movies. That works for some people. It doesn't work so well for others. It's a question of preference, taste, and prudence -- but not dogmatic.

There are some Tolkien purists that reject the Peter Jackson movies for their minute deviations from the source material.

I don't count myself among them. I choose to accept and enjoy the Peter Jackson movies. Is the book better? Of course. But the battles in the movies are much more visceral and exciting. And the soundtrack! I didn't think modern men could still compose music that good.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2024, 07:42:45 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 23, 2024, 04:43:08 PM

Not all wars, but it implies this particular war is the fault of toxic masculinity.

Get back to me in December and see if i'm right. The woke agenda is easy to predict because we know the message they want to send.

Implies? One man's implication is another man's jumping to conclusions. Suffice to say that "implication" is very nebulous and VERY prone to error.

I frequently have to remind people: if I want to say something, I'll just come out and say it. No need to "read into" or IMPLY anything, or read between the lines, about anything I say. Maybe that's true about some people (like myself) but not others? At any rate, going off "implication" is IN EVERY CASE extremely shaky ground to say the least.
It's certainly not hard evidence.

I'll certainly be critical when I watch this or any other movie. My brain doesn't have an off switch.

rum · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2024, 08:06:25 PM »

I created a thread sometime ago and asked "Should Catholics be more like the Amish?"

Putting aside all the things wrong with the Amish, one thing I like about them is that they completely ignore popular culture. I should do that, but like to observe the workings of our traditional enemies, so keep tabs on what's going on out there.

I've long since gotten over my initial surprise upon getting to know traditional Catholics back in the late 90s how hooked into popular culture they are. Popular culture is the culture of you-know-who.

Terms like "woke", "feminαzι" et cetera are terms created and/or promoted by you-know-who. People say they tell it like it is. I think I'm like that, which is why I never use terms that are an abuse of the language, like "racist" "sexist" et cetera. I name the group who are behind the creation and/or popularization of these terms.

I'm surprised a grown man gets excited to watch cartoons. But that's just me.

Kazimierz · « **Reply #11 on:** August 23, 2024, 10:11:13 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on August 23, 2024, 07:37:50 PM

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There are some Tolkien purists that reject the Peter Jackson movies for their minute deviations from the source material.

That is definitely me!

I knew/know the books too well, so when I saw parts of the first movie, I said nope, nope, nope. Lady Arwen saving Frodo at the Ford of Bruinin? Angels and ministers of grace defend us!

If ye CI volk can enjoy the movies, enough to get to the books (if not read prior to watching the films) then something good will come out of it all.

At least the BBC audio drama production of LOTR (with the addition of the Tale of Tom Bombadil from the dramatized Tales from the Perilous Realm) does a much better job of conveying the text in a different media. At least things are not changed!

I await to see who will be correct in his or her assessment of the anime release come December. I have zero faith that it will be anything but garbage.

Giovanni Berto · « **Reply #12 on:** August 23, 2024, 10:24:31 PM »

I saw the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings films before I read the books, and I still like them. The visuals and the soundtracks are amazing, if you can ignore the CGI parts (specially some battle scenes).

Now, when he did those Hobbit movies...boy, those were bad.

I won't bother to see him profanate Tolkien's story anymore.

Actually, I don't really watch any movies anymore.

I hope that he actually does something enjoyable this time, but it seems pretty lame from what I am reading here.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2024, 10:06:01 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on August 23, 2024, 07:37:50 PM

Yes, I might say that. That's exactly what I would say. If you restrict yourself to "Traditional Catholic movies" you're not going to get to watch any movies. That works for some people. It doesn't work so well for others. It's a question of preference, taste, and prudence -- but not dogmatic.

There are some Tolkien purists that reject the Peter Jackson movies for their minute deviations from the source material.

I don't count myself among them. I choose to accept and enjoy the Peter Jackson movies. Is the book better? Of course. But the battles in the movies are much more visceral and exciting. And the soundtrack! I didn't think modern men could still compose music that good.

I am less concerned about deviations from the letter of Tolkien--more concerned about deviations from his spirit.

The problem with Jackson's trilogy isn't that he made changes to the story per se, but that the changes hollowed out the story's most appreciable features.

For instance, Jackson's Aragorn mostly does everything Tolkien's Aragorn does. But Jackson's Aragorn is wracked with self doubt and loathing over his heritage, to the point of resenting himself, his sires, and anyone who reminds him of his duty. The way Jackson handles the Argonath scene captures the difference perfectly: in Tolkien, the fellowship are all startled and enraptured as Aragorn's voice rises up above the sound of the falls and rapids, announcing his purpose and allegiance to the civilization his ancestors entrusted to him. In Jackson he quietly whispers to Frodo, describing the Argonath as something more of a tourist destination he'd always wanted to see. Jackson's Aragorn is literally modern man. Tolkien's is the precise opposite.

I could but won't go on and on. All of Jackson's themes are modern. None of Tolkien's are. It isn't about the lore as though the lore was dogma.

I used to have more appreciation for Jackson's work, but at this point the best I can say is that he visualized a few scenes really well. And that's not a worthless endeavor. The soundtrack is marvellous. But Jackson tells a fundamentally different story than Tolkien.

Meg · « **Reply #14 on:** August 24, 2024, 10:42:57 AM »

Quote from: Mithrandylan on August 24, 2024, 10:06:01 AM

I am less concerned about deviations from the letter of Tolkien--more concerned about deviations from his spirit.

The problem with Jackson's trilogy isn't that he made changes to the story per se, but that the changes hollowed out the story's most appreciable features.

For instance, Jackson's Aragorn mostly does everything Tolkien's Aragorn does. But Jackson's Aragorn is wracked with self doubt and loathing over his heritage, to the point of resenting himself, his sires, and anyone who reminds him of his duty. The way Jackson handles the Argonath scene captures the difference perfectly: in Tolkien, the fellowship are all startled and enraptured as Aragorn's voice rises up above the sound of the falls and rapids, announcing his purpose and allegiance to the civilization his ancestors entrusted to him. In Jackson he quietly whispers to Frodo, describing the Argonath as something more of a tourist destination he'd always wanted to see. Jackson's Aragorn is literally modern man. Tolkien's is the precise opposite.

I could but won't go on and on. All of Jackson's themes are modern. None of Tolkien's are. It isn't about the lore as though the lore was dogma.

I used to have more appreciation for Jackson's work, but at this point the best I can say is that he visualized a few scenes really well. And that's not a worthless endeavor. The soundtrack is marvellous. But Jackson tells a fundamentally different story than Tolkien.

You sum it up very well here. I still enjoy watching Jackson's LotR films, while at the same time knowing full well that Jackson has departed very much from Tolkien. There are so few films that don't have blasphemy or impurity of some kind.

I don't recall there being any female warriors in Tolkien's LotR at all, though it's been awhile since I have read the books. I know that there has been a female warrior saint - St. Joan of Arc - but that's an exception rather than the rule. Were there any other female warrior saints? I suppose Esther might count as one.

I too don't care for Jackson's view that Aragorn loathes his heritage, as you mention above. That's another woke theme, IMO.

I agree that none of Tolkien's themes are modern. He was not a fan of the modern world at all.

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