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Leisure: The Basis of Culture: Josef Pieper
« on: October 14, 2024, 09:47:24 AM »
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  • Apparently the gold standard for study of the subject of leisure is the book appearing in the thread title. I just now purchased it on kindle for $13.49.

    Here's a quote from the intro:

    "The first principle of action is the end for which we act."

    Here's another quote from Pieper himself, in his introduction:

    "Culture depends for its very existence on leisure, and leisure, in its turn, is not possible unless it has a durable and consequently living link with the cultus, with divine worship. The word "cult" in English is used exclusively, or almost exclusively, in a derivative sense. But here it is used, along with worship, in its primary sense. It means something else than, and something more than, religion. It really means fulfilling the ritual of public sacrifice. That is a notion which contemporary "modern" man associates almost exclusively and unconsciously with uncivilized, primitive peoples and with classical antiquity. For that very reason it is of the first importance to see that the cultus, now as in the distant past, is the primary source of man's freedom, independence and immunity within society. Suppress that last sphere of freedom, and freedom itself, and all our liberties, will in the end vanish into thin air."

    Now appears the true dividing line at the heart of the 2024 "election." This is absolutely about culture - it's always been; and about cultus - it's always been; and about "fulfilling the ritual of public sacrifice - it's always been.

    What is different now, is that God has given us superadditional light, by which we may finally and clearly see what is actually transpiring.

    This light is His gift to His Elect: "Thou hast given a warning to them that fear Thee: that they may flee from before the bow: that Thy beloved may be delivered." Psalm 59.

    The devil is using the judaeo-USA to spread his cultus all over the earth. There are manifold rituals of public sacrifice which he demands of his worshippers: murder and bloodletting via abortion; genocide; engineered famine; alchemical poisoning of man, beast, and nature; proxy invasion. The more esoteric rituals introduce hermaphroditic talismans into the culture, through transgender brainwashing, genital mutilation, and alchemical hormonal poisoning.

    Note, as whiteworkingclassscapegoat pointed out, that Trump himself is a talisman of both bloodletting and hermaphroditism. He stands as an ensign for abortion, IVF, war, genocide, and hermaphroditism. Vote for him, and you receive his mark on your soul. Vote for him and you "fulfil the ritual of public [satanic] sacrifice."

    The antichrist-devil worshipping culture which satan has been curating - in overdrive, since WW and Vatican II - is now almost at the point of being violently imposed on all humanity. Mankind is delivering itself into satan's power by manifold means, not the least of which is "consent to be governed."

    We read often that their plan is to create so much chaos that the nations will finally plead for the Jєωιѕн messias and his "great reset." They believe that the outcry for the devil as savior, will cement his authority over mankind as a corporate body, and will accomplish his trans-man-ist objective of substantially changing the human race back to its pre-Incarnation, reprobated status. This plan is futile and impossible to accomplish, but that never stops the devil from doing all that he can. 

    And what guarantee does the devil have that when humanity is on the very cusp of the knife, it will call out for him, and not Jesus Christ?

    God writes and governs history. Just because they have "an end for which they act," ultimately they act for His ends, and His ends alone. It is entirely conceivable that when the chaos comes in the form of a dam-busting Deluge of Woe, the Holy Ghost will move over the waters of crippled and poisoned humanity -  void, empty, and dark - and this humanity will, by His omnipotent grace, indeed cry out for the One and Only Savior and Redeemer, namely the Lord Jesus Christ.

    When the nations say, Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of the Lord, we will see the advent of the 6th Age.

    We must call out to Christ now, on behalf of the entire human race. This is why praying the Divine Office, in addition to 15 Decades of the Rosary - if at all possible - is so integrally important. The Divine Office is included in the Ritual of Public Sacrifice of the Church of Jesus Christ the King. The Psalms have to rise up to Heaven, each and every day. We are commanded to give God His worship, and His worship does not consist exclusively of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It consists of the Psalms, Hymns, and Spiritual Canticles of the Divine Office.

    Psalm 49: "Offer to God the sacrifice of praise: and pay thy vows to the most High ... The sacrifice of praise shall glorify me: and there is the way by which I will shew him the salvation of God."

    Psalm 106: "And let them sacrifice the sacrifice of praise: and declare his works with joy."

    Psalm 115: "I will sacrifice to thee the sacrifice of praise, and I will call upon the name of the Lord."

    Hebrews: "By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise always to God, that is to say, the fruit of lips confessing to his name."

    Jonas: "But I with the voice of praise will sacrifice to thee: I will pay whatsoever I have vowed for my salvation to the Lord."

    St. Paul: "Let the word of Christ dwell in you abundantly, in all wisdom: teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual canticles, singing in grace in your hearts to God."

    "Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven," means, first and foremost, the Divine Praise. Our first commandment is to praise God. If God does not receive His praise, then no culture, and no true leisure is possible.

    The Lord Christ has not taken away from us the opportunity to offer Him the Sacrifice of Praise, even while He has allowed the Holy Mass to suffer the most dire persecution and diminishment; and many of us have lost the opportunity of assisting at It.

    The Lord Christ has left us the seed of culture, if only we would plant it deeply, and water it with loving perseverance. He, and He alone, can give the increase; but we are called to cooperate by properly disposing the matter. 

    What does it mean to "flee to the mountains?" The Lord points us in the direction of the highest peaks, when we see the abomination of desolation in the holy place: "Upon the earth distress of nations, by reason of the confusion of the roaring of the sea and of the waves; men withering away for fear, and expectation of what shall come upon the whole world ... But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads, because your redemption is at hand."

    Romans: "They that are according to the flesh, mind the things that are of the flesh; but they that are according to the spirit, mind the things that are of the spirit."

    Colossians: "Therefore, if you be risen with Christ, seek the things that are above; where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God: Mind the things that are above, not the things that are upon the earth: For you are dead; and your life is hid with Christ in God: When Christ shall appear, who is your life, then you also shall appear with him in glory."

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    Re: Leisure: The Basis of Culture: Josef Pieper
    « Reply #1 on: October 14, 2024, 10:14:42 AM »
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  • Recitation of the Divine Office by lay people is not part of the Church's public prayer.

    This is all very interesting, but it has a sort of "this or that" mentality. Like this quote implies: "Vote for him, and you receive his mark on your soul".

    This is merely a kind of spiritual and sociological interpretation of the present moment. If people get too deeply into this kind of thing, they will go crazy like some of those doomsday inclined Protestants.

    I am not endorsing nor opposing your vision, I am just saying that this mentality can be harmful for some souls. If I get too deeply involved in political events, I get too anxious and lose focus. I don't think I am the only one with this problem.


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    Re: Leisure: The Basis of Culture: Josef Pieper
    « Reply #2 on: October 14, 2024, 10:58:35 AM »
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  • Recitation of the Divine Office by lay people is not part of the Church's public prayer.

    This is all very interesting, but it has a sort of "this or that" mentality. Like this quote implies: "Vote for him, and you receive his mark on your soul".

    This is merely a kind of spiritual and sociological interpretation of the present moment. If people get too deeply into this kind of thing, they will go crazy like some of those doomsday inclined Protestants.

    I am not endorsing nor opposing your vision, I am just saying that this mentality can be harmful for some souls. If I get too deeply involved in political events, I get too anxious and lose focus. I don't think I am the only one with this problem.

    Very good points, all. 

    Are you saying that only those who are obliged to pray the Divine Office, by Ordination or Conventual Rule, may offer to God the Sacrifice of Praise? 

    I do have a very forceful style of writing. It was ingrained in me many years ago, as part of my profession. I have learned, over many long and miserable years, that being able to remain firm and steadfast while the waters are encircling you, is good for perseverance in the Faith. Zeal and strength of conviction help to keep one's head above. I suppose the best one with this proclivity can do, is be as articulate as possible. Then, at least, the reasons underpinning the fervor can be judged. 

    Anxiety, I think, is the habit for many souls. There are real things to be anxious about. There are real things that are frightening and threatening. Danger is fast approaching from all sides. I think that is fact, not fantasy.

    If you vote for Trump, you have mingled with him. You have willingly subjected yourself to him, as your rightful temporal lord and governor. His mark is upon you, by your own consent. His policies are now your policies. You cannot both consent and withhold consent. Indeed, this is the entire problem with recognizing and resisting the Vatican II "popes."   

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    Re: Leisure: The Basis of Culture: Josef Pieper
    « Reply #3 on: October 14, 2024, 11:10:29 AM »
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  • Very good points, all.

    Are you saying that only those who are obliged to pray the Divine Office, by Ordination or Conventual Rule, may offer to God the Sacrifice of Praise?

    I do have a very forceful style of writing. It was ingrained in me many years ago, as part of my profession. I have learned, over many long and miserable years, that being able to remain firm and steadfast while the waters are encircling you, is good for perseverance in the Faith. Zeal and strength of conviction help to keep one's head above. I suppose the best one with this proclivity can do, is be as articulate as possible. Then, at least, the reasons underpinning the fervor can be judged.

    Anxiety, I think, is the habit for many souls. There are real things to be anxious about. There are real things that are frightening and threatening. Danger is fast approaching from all sides. I think that is fact, not fantasy.

    If you vote for Trump, you have mingled with him. You have willingly subjected yourself to him, as your rightful temporal lord and governor. His mark is upon you, by your own consent. His policies are now your policies. You cannot both consent and withhold consent. Indeed, this is the entire problem with recognizing and resisting the Vatican II "popes." 

    I am just saying that the Church's public prayers are regulated by norms. The laity can devoutly pray the Breviary, but it won't be part of the Church's public prayers. This does not mean that it won't be pleasing to God.

    Anxiety is not a good thing. Psychologically and spiritually. It is a defect, an unbalance. It is harmful. Even if there are things to worry about, the matters should be calmly and carefully analized, without anxiety.

    If I were American, I probably would not vote. Moralists say one is not obliged to vote for a bad candidate, even if the other is worse. Plus, American elections are a fraud, as it has been widely shown when Biden "won" last time.

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    Re: Leisure: The Basis of Culture: Josef Pieper
    « Reply #4 on: October 14, 2024, 11:12:49 AM »
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    If you vote for Trump, you have mingled with him. You have willingly subjected yourself to him, as your rightful temporal lord and governor. His mark is upon you, by your own consent. His policies are now your policies.
    Yes, to some extent.  But there’s a lot of gray area here, because the US President isn’t a dictator and his power/policies are limited by all 3 branches (POTUS can even be limited by the executive branch, in some cases).  It’s just not a 1:1 relationship between vote and result.  

    Too many Trads treat American politics/republic like a king/dictator style of govt and put too much emphasis on 1 person, especially the president.  

    People need to be more practical.  Policies are “wants” and don’t always happen.  I’m fact, the hallmark of American politics is negotiation.  And this happens 90% of the time.  

    So you vote for the best candidate and leave the rest in God's hands.


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    Re: Leisure: The Basis of Culture: Josef Pieper
    « Reply #5 on: October 14, 2024, 12:12:05 PM »
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  • Yes, to some extent.  But there’s a lot of gray area here, because the US President isn’t a dictator and his power/policies are limited by all 3 branches (POTUS can even be limited by the executive branch, in some cases).  It’s just not a 1:1 relationship between vote and result. 

    Too many Trads treat American politics/republic like a king/dictator style of govt and put too much emphasis on 1 person, especially the president. 

    People need to be more practical.  Policies are “wants” and don’t always happen.  I’m fact, the hallmark of American politics is negotiation.  And this happens 90% of the time. 

    So you vote for the best candidate and leave the rest in God's hands.

    Yes, there's that built-in limitation. Too, political power is dispersed locally to many thousands more individuals. But because the presidential election in the US has become such an intense focal point, every four years all sorts of anxieties and demands get funneled into it by/for hundreds of millions of people whose eyes often don't see past the two candidates in question. Hence all the emotive public quasi-rituals.

    Were we (general "we", not the present company "we") instead to give more circuмspect attention to how power is granted and wielded proximate to where we each find ourselves, in families and workplaces and communities, maybe there would be less discord with which the enemy distracts us into error. 
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Leisure: The Basis of Culture: Josef Pieper
    « Reply #6 on: October 14, 2024, 01:09:51 PM »
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  • Trump himself is a talisman of both bloodletting and hermaphroditism. He stands as an ensign for abortion, IVF, war, genocide, and hermaphroditism. Vote for him, and you receive his mark on your soul. Vote for him and you "fulfil the ritual of public [satanic] sacrifice."
    Trump is the candidate most opposed to abortion, war, genocide and hermaphroditism.

    Failure to vote against the Communist Cabal demonstrates support for the aforementioned.

    You. Jus. Sound. Nutty.
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