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  • Birth of the Earth (full episode) (how the earth was made)



    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/m-aAP1xiVW8[/youtube]



    "How the Universe Works" must be the name of a series of which this is a part.


    [My comments in brackets.]

    (7:10)
    For the earth to even BE here, it had to BEAT ASTRONOMICAL odds!!

    "A HOST of different factors has to LINE UP to get a planet just like the earth.  You have to have the right distance, the right size, the right kind of moon.."

    ..On earth all the conditions are just right for life.
    To get a world like ours, you have to have a lot of ACES!
    SOMEHOW, OUR solar system hit the jackpot.
    But the "Big Question" is, did it happen anywhere else? (?!)

    [THAT'S what you think is the big question?  Come on - you can think of a bigger question than that!]

    One of the universe's most violent events triggered the birth of our planet.

    [And the evidence of this is what?  Were you there?  Was anyone there?  Is there some recording of it, or some kind of "fossil record" of it?  Or, which is really the case, you're unwilling to mention that this is just a fantasy in your imagination, a fairy-tale for grown-ups.]


    A SPARSE cloud CRUSHED into a dense SWIRL of DUST!!  

    [Really?  And this "sparse" cloud was composed of tiny specks of atoms and small clusters of atoms separated by vast distances, millions of times greater than the already-great distances that separate atoms which constitute solid objects in the REAL WORLD, the one that we know?  So two dusty clouds merge, without any medium like an atmosphere around them, and you're not going to bother to show us what the statistical probability is that any two particles from the two systems will collide with each other, or the aggregate probability that any portion of the two systems would touch each other at all, or the statistical probability that the two systems could simply pass through each other like "two ships in the night?"  No?  Why not?  Too much work?  Or too much work in the "wrong direction?"]

    Some of this DUST will BECOME planet EARTH!!

    [Oh, really?  And how many millions of miles across would the 'dust cloud' have to be that would have constituted the material that could become earth?  Would HALF of earth be from that 'cloud' and would the OTHER HALF be from the approaching "sparse cloud?"  What happens when two bodies collide in the real world?  Do they "compress" into a new, denser whole, or do they shatter into smaller pieces, being scattered in all directions?  What happens when two airplanes collide in a mid-air crash?  Do you get a new, bigger airplane?  Or do you get hundreds of thousands of fragments scattered in all directions, all of which fall to earth because they can no longer fly like airplanes?]

    But how do tiny DUST GRAINS create ENTIRE WORLDS?

    [Note the implicit denial of efficient cause:  now dust grains are somehow capable of creating something else that is not dust grains?  I have had many bags of fireplace ashes and household dirt, like full vacuum bags, and I've never had one turn into something else. Have you????]

    (Break for commercials ~~ TVG  How the Universe Works) 8:20

    A supernova explosion triggers a chain of events that will eventually create the earth.  The formation of our solar system:  a hot ball of gas grows in the center.

    [Wait a minute.  All the recent reports of star nebulae and clouds of gas that are observed in outer space are attached with temperature readings within a few degrees of Zero Kelvin.  That means about 270 to 273 below zero Celsius.  Is that what you mean by a "hot" ball of gas?  Hmmm?]

    This will become our sun.

    [N.B.  our sun is a LOT hotter than -270 Celsius.]

    The dust that swirls around it will form the planets.  

    [And you're forgetting to mention that this "swirl" is a rotational momentum, which momentum would be in free space, and therefore unhindered by friction, since there is no medium in free space, as you have claimed.  And therefore this angular momentum, for example, counter clockwise, will be maintained, and as the planets form they will all spin in the same direction, counter clockwise, like the earth does, correct?  (The answer is, "Yes, that is correct.")  So then how does our solar system end up with two planets that rotate couter clockwise and one that rotates at almost 90 degrees to the others (Saturn)?  (Correct answer:  "I don't know.")]

    But first the grains must stick together.

    [Notice they ignore the questions, above.]

    So we have this interesting conundrum, right?  So this distant system of gas and dust particles -- they're about the size of let's say, dust particles in smoke..

    [No, actually, they're  LOT less dense than that -- you already said so.]

    ..Let's say cigarette smoke.  So these are small things. And somehow we have to get from those 'little grains', to what we see on the earth.  Gravity is a powerful attractive force.

    [Oh, really?  And how much 'gravity' does one dust particle have for another?  Can it even be measured?  How about two giant granite boulders (which are about a billion times more dense than dust particles and therefore would have a billion times more gravitational attraction to each other) -- if they are setting side by side in free space, will they have any measurable gravitational attraction for each other?  Does the Space Station have any gravitational attraction for a nearby visiting probe?  Or does it require a mechanical arm like the Space Shuttle had to grab stuff and pull it in, lest it just drift away in space?]

    It shapes galaxies and solar systems.

    [Oh, really?  And you have some evidence for that?  Have you found that to be the case with experiment, using the Scientific Method, or is this just another fairy-tale for grown ups?  Is there a galaxy or solar system being formed that you can see somewhere?]

    But specks of dust are far too small to pull on each other.

    [Oh, so I wasn't asking a dumb question after all.  Specks of dust that are far too small to pull on each other will be pulled TOGETHER by something else, correct?]

    Somehow, they clump together to form planets.  So if gravity doesn't bind them, what does?  In Germany, scientists are on the case!  

    [Ta-da!  German scientists to the rescue!  The unanswerable conundrum that plagues the evolutionists will be answered one fine day in the not-too-distant fututre.  But for the meantime, we can proceed apace with our blind faith in our subjective reality fairy-tale for grown-ups.]

    They can SIMULATE how dust behaves, in space, inside a huge tower.  (Professor Jeurgen Blum, experimental astrophysicist, Institute of Geophysics and Extraterrestrial Physics, says......)
    "Vee do free-fall experiments... it is simulation of space, but a very good vonne, indeed.  I think this is the closest you can get to space, on earth!!"  

    Researchers (very carefully) place dust in a container ..

    [without spraying it first with Static Guard or Kling Free, by the way],

    ..and load it into a launch capsule.  At the base of the tower, they lure it into a super-powerful catapult.  This launches the half-ton capsule from zero to over 100 miles per hour, in a quarter of a second.  400 feet up, the capsule reaches the top of the tower, then plunges back down.  A drum of polystyrene balls, 30 feet deep, breaks its fall.  All this, gives just 10 seconds of zero gravity, just enough time, THEY HOPE, for the dust to stick!

    [So ten seconds in a controlled environment, WITH ambient atmosphere, AFTER a 20 G acceleration in a quarter second, is supposed to SIMULATE dust particles in a VACUUM in OUTER SPACE having been floating around for MILLIONS OF YEARS, without any ATMOSPHERE or SUNSHINE or MAGNETISM or CATAPULT ACTION or whatever else this lab dust was subject to?  Am I the only one asking the Big Question?  And that's not "Did it happen anywhere else?"  No, the Big Question is, Are you guys serious?  Are you really going to all this trouble to find out IF dust will stick?  Are you guys serious?  Maybe I wasn't clear:  ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS?]  

    The dust particles clump together.  These images reveal how dust particles came together 4-1/2 billion years ago! ... To form the earth!  

    "The force that binds the aggregates together is not gravity.  They are too small for gravity to be efficient.  We think the force that binds the particles together is electrostatic force!"

    [Uuuhh... how much did you guy spend on this tower get-up again?  I could have saved you a lot of money.  Why didn't you just ask me first?]

    It's like when you pull your clothes out of the dryer, some fabrics stick to you, that's the same effect that allows one particle to stick to another.

    [Wait a minute.  Who said these particles of gas came out of somebody's clothes dryer?  Am I missing something here?]

    Dust particles join to form balls of fluff.  The electrostatic charges that they have can make them stick when they hit.  And you get something like the dust bunnies I have beneath my bed.

    [So dust bunnies are the first phase of a new solar system being formed?  News flash:  Dust bunnies under your bed have an ambient atmosphere around them.  There is air moving, like a draft, which causes them to get blown around and roll into balls.  But there is no draft or ambient atmosphere in outer space.  And don't claim that the SOLAR WIND is doing this.  Don't be ridiculous.]

    These cosmic Dust Bunnies are planets in the making!  (12:36)

    [So you're asking us to believe that cosmic dust bunnies drifting around in space start bumping into each other and eventually enough of them get together to form really really big cosmic dust bunnies?  Or, do the bunnies try really hard somehow to turn themselves into something else, you know, like the vacuum cleaner bags of dust bunnies try to turn themselves into an asteroid when they're in the dump?  Like that?]

    They start out smaller than a pinhead, then grow!  

    The dust is now in clumps, but it's STILL just BALLS of DUST!!

    Turning DUST BALLS into ROCKS takes a whole NEW process!!

    A COSMIC ELECTRIC STORM!!  

    SPACE clouds build up CHARGE, just like CLOUDS do here on EARTH!!  

    GENERATING HUGE bolts of LIGHTENING!!

    "Balls of dust can turn into solid rocks, by an energetic event, like lightening." (13:22) -- [German scientist, Prof. Jeurgen Blum, who was paid good money for his canned testimony, here on the History Channel.]

    Electric bolts SMASH through the dust balls, and HEAT them!!

    [Please tell me you've never heard of the conservation of energy.  Because if you HAVE heard of it, you'd be able to tell me where this electrostatic potential energy came from.  Did you say there was an atmosphere here, like we have on earth where lightening flashes inside of clouds?  Did you say there was sunshine radiation penetrating the atmosphere out there amidst the cosmic dust bunnies, like the radiation we have here on earth?  No?  Aren't you forgetting something?]

    .. TO 3,000 degrees FAHRENHEIT!!

    [Wait, don't tell me!  You're using Fahrenheit because this guy,  Jeurgen Blum, is German, like Fahrenheit was, no?  Well, that doesn't work either, because Germany stopped using the Fahrenheit scale under Adolf Hitler.  (Woops -- I'm not supposed to talk about Adolf, am I, because he's persona non-grata in Germany, just like the German physicist Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (1686–1736) became persona non grata under Hitler!  Woops -- there I go again.  I'm sorry.  NOT.  Anyway, tell me the answer to this one:  What do Myanmar, Liberia and the USA have in common?  Answer later!!  But 3,000 degrees?  When was the last time you got 3,000 degree heat without paying for the Mapp gas or the Oxygen or the Acetylene?  Can you heat a furnace on earth to 3,000 without an electric bill or some kind of utility or power source?  Lightening bolts?  ARE YOU SERIOUS?  And where, pray tell, do you see these 'lightening bolts' flashing around in outer space like this?  What's that?  Nowhere?  That's what I thought.]

    In MINUTES they COOL and FUSE into solid ROCK!!

    [Just let the Colton Cement Plant know they can forget about using their klinker kiln anymore because you know how to fuse solid rock with lightening bolts in outer space.  They'll love to hear from you.......................  NOT!]

    METEORITES today STILL carry these ANCIENT ROCK BALLS inside them.  These TINY GLOBULES were once the BUILDING blocks of PLANETS!!

    [ :facepalm: ]

    To FORM the earth these TINY globs must COLLIDE, STICK and GROW!! (14:05)

    [ :sleep: ]

    "Rocks begin to build up by accident or collisions, which can take a long time."

    [Uuuh, every accident or collision I've ever heard of took about one tenth of a second.]

    "Eventually, the protoplanets (or 'baby planets', as we call them) get  the size of asteroids, kilometers across.

    [Note:  suddenly we're in the Metric nomenclature, and to hell with American Fahrenheit and feet, inches and miles, correct?  When did that happen, ten seconds ago?  Oh, and about those three countries:  They're the only ones in the world that are still using Fahrenheit for temperature.  Everyone else uses Celsius (but some still call it 'centigrade', like the British).]

    The BABY earth is now the SIZE of a few CITY BLOCKS!!

    [Imagine that!  Already so big!  Oh, wait, you DID imagine that.  Sorry.]

    ..BIG ENOUGH for a NEW force to TAKE CHARGE!!

    ..GRAVITY!!

    [ :jester:  HAHAHA -- DON'T TELL ME --- THAT was the PUNCH LINE, correct?!?!?]


    "At that point, a SINGLE asteroid will gravitationally attract a NEIGHBORING asteroid, and so, those two asteroids that WOULD have "passed in the night," are gravitationally attracted, and they HIT each other!!"

    (Dr. Phil Plait, astronomer, Discover Magazine was paid to say...)
    "Once GRAVITY starts to rear its head, things really SPEED UP, because of just randomly plowing through material and getting bigger that way, now it's starting to DRAW material IN!!

    [Now just hold on a minute, Dr. Plait.  Have you, as an 'astronomer', ever studied the rings of Saturn, or the moon of earth?  Are you aware of the fact that they are not being "drawn in" to their host planets, which have A LOT more 'gravitational' attraction than these city-block-sized putative cosmic-dust-bunnies-turned-into-asteroids-that-no-one-has-ever-seen, but they're moving AWAY from their planets?  That's right, Doctor-astronomer, the rings of Saturn are moving AWAY from Saturn, and the Earth's moon is moving AWAY from Earth.  Not only that, but the rings of Saturn are not 'clumping' and 'forming larger bodies' but instead are BREAKING UP INTO DUST, as they drift away from Saturn.  Therefore, since we KNOW by observation that comets break up in space, like Shoemaker-Levy, which collided with Jupiter and in the process fragmented into thousands of pieces, and scatter their dust in a TAIL that emerges AWAY from them as they pass planets like ours or go around the Sun, how do you come off saying that all the planets were formed by a process that would require these naturally observed processes to somehow act in the OPPOSITE way to how they really do act in fact, which is verifiable by emperical observation?]

    GRAVITY pulls rocks TOGETHER, then HOLDS them there!! (15:04)

    [As the droning narrator with a LITHP utters these words, a cartoon image plays on the screen showing to rocks drifting by, when they COLLIDE, and the smaller one DISINTEGRATES in a CLOUD and a FLASH, while the larger one appears to be UNAFECTED by the impact, even though it SHOULD have changed its trajectory due to the impact, for one, but if your HYPOTHESIS is correct, there would have been no BURST of fragments, because we're TRYING TO BUILD A PLANET here, not show a STAR WARS ASTEROID-SMASHING video.]




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    These charlatans actually have a NAME for a planet that they think smashed into earth in its formative millions of years when it was a molten blob -- hot, of course, because of the HEAT THAT CAME FROM THE HEAT OF MANY MANY METEORS SMASHING INTO EARTH, and the impact heat of these metorites (the name changes to 'meteorite' when it impacts the earth, but they don't bother to tell you that, probably because they're afraid it's too much to believe all at once, and they want you to swallow their propaganda, not really LEARN something).  Has anyone done the math for how many impacts of how big meteorites would have to hit the earth in how much time to render a MOLTEN MANTLE in the earth of what, 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit (actually, that's 1650 degrees Celsius).

    And of course, with no atmosphere, a surface that hot wouldn't have any WATER on it.  

    But the earth has a LOT of water ---------------- and other planets DON'T.  

    It takes them until minute 36 to attempt to say that WATER is brought to earth (and only the earth?) by means of comets and asteroids!  And of course, the water they bring is nice and fresh water, not like bilge scuм from a Klingon Battleship.  

    Probably like Arrowhead or Perrier, or, hey, Coors!  Correct?  :cheers:

    "Rocky Mountain Spring Water!!"   :rolleyes:



    "Next time you drink a glass of water, just think you're drinking asteroid juice!"


    But they don't bother to explain how that only happened to the earth, and not to, let's say, Mars!  Or Venus!  



    This is such a pile of propaganda it's incredible.  

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    « Reply #1 on: January 21, 2014, 08:43:29 AM »
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    This is such a pile of propaganda it's incredible.


    Yes it is. Thank God we have counter arguments going on these days. This kind of stuff used to be swallowed in its entirety by everyone who would view it not very long ago.

    What strikes me about these kinds of films is that they have the nerve to say, "let's go back in time to see how this happened". This tactic works in convincing many I am afraid to say.

    Also, it's fun to try and figure out just what their "Universe, or World View" just happens to be. Seems that finding life out there, or another earth, is the equal to a Catholic striving for heaven.

    The other thing I always thought was very weird is the desperation about finding aliens or other life out there. It is almost as if they are saying we are unfulfilled without having knowledge of it and that without discovering it we should feel some kind of isolation or loneliness.

    This is sad. It is indeed their substitute for worrying about things like sin and knowing what our purpose is here, or why we have a life in the first place and why all our needs are taken care of on the earth.

    Great quote by one of the scientists, "It would have literally blown the earth to bits and we wouldn't even have a planet today". Ha-Ha. Does this goof mean to say we would be homeless or something. A people without a planet? LOL.


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    The other thing I always thought was very weird is the desperation about finding aliens or other life out there. It is almost as if they are saying we are unfulfilled without having knowledge of it and that without discovering it we should feel some kind of isolation or loneliness.

    This is sad. It is indeed their substitute for worrying about things like sin and knowing what our purpose is here, or why we have a life in the first place and why all our needs are taken care of on the earth.  


    The reason that they are desparate to discover life on other planets is because it would be the last "nail in the coffin" for Catholic / Christian cosmology. They have already shifted the Earth from the center of the Universe, they have already made it seem like our planet and our sun is just one in a quadrillion of other planets and other stars, they have already "proven" that life comes about by "evolution": the only thing that keeps our planet SPECIAL is that there is life on it, but if they could find life on another planet it would "prove" that our planet is not special, that God did not create the Universe with us in mind. What motivates this search is moral relativism. People look at all of the different countries and cultures and say, today, that, "there is no ultimate right or wrong, it all comes down to perspectives". Well, if they found life on other planets they would have even more reason to say the same thing, only now it would not be a matter of differing "perspectives" between cultures/countries, it would be differing "perspectives" between planets. It's relativism. Einstein's Theory of Relativity was motivated by the same desire to remove all Absolutes (i.e. God) from the Universe.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 21, 2014, 09:29:42 AM »
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    The other thing I always thought was very weird is the desperation about finding aliens or other life out there. It is almost as if they are saying we are unfulfilled without having knowledge of it and that without discovering it we should feel some kind of isolation or loneliness.

    This is sad. It is indeed their substitute for worrying about things like sin and knowing what our purpose is here, or why we have a life in the first place and why all our needs are taken care of on the earth.  


    The reason that they are desparate to discover life on other planets is because it would be the last "nail in the coffin" for Catholic / Christian cosmology. They have already shifted the Earth from the center of the Universe, they have already made it seem like our planet and our sun is just one in a quadrillion of other planets and other stars, they have already "proven" that life comes about by "evolution": the only thing that keeps our planet SPECIAL is that there is life on it, but if they could find life on another planet it would "prove" that our planet is not special, that God did not create the Universe with us in mind. What motivates this search is moral relativism. People look at all of the different countries and cultures and say, today, that, "there is no ultimate right or wrong, it all comes down to perspectives". Well, if they found life on other planets they would have even more reason to say the same thing, only now it would not be a matter of differing "perspectives" between cultures/countries, it would be differing "perspectives" between planets. It's relativism. Einstein's Theory of Relativity was motivated by the same desire to remove all Absolutes (i.e. God) from the Universe.


    Yes, indeed. I could not agree more.
     
    But, in addition to all this, I do think they try and promote a kind of despair and loneliness for us out here in the middle of the cosmos. And I think they have even taken it upon themselves to some degree. And this itch they have given us to want to find and know the "ultimate truth" also keeps them funded and in the spotlight.  

    I recall being young and hearing that some day, when the earth winds up business, it will shoot out into the voids of space. I actually recall thinking about and visualizing being in my grave and what a desperate situation this would be in about 4 billion years.

    Yet, for all that uncertainty the human race still cooperates and works together. It makes zero sense if they are correct. And what can we attribute this to except to recognize this grace that is from God and to wonder with great awe at his mercy and patience with us all.  


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    « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2014, 10:51:29 AM »
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    Yes, indeed. I could not agree more.
     
    But, in addition to all this, I do think they try and promote a kind of despair and loneliness for us out here in the middle of the cosmos.


    Absolutely. Not all of them have done it knowingly. There are innocuous, simple scientists that just want to "know the truth about the Universe" (these are the "useful idiots"), but the people that fund all of their research know exactly what kind of effect these doctrines about the Universe have on people in society. It all comes down to them wanting to disrupt the institution of the family (the goal of "Communism", really, the goal of all the world's leaders who are involved in bringing about a One World Government). See, if they destroy the family then the State becomes the child's new family, and the State controls all the thoughts that child has. By spreading this doctrine of despair young people become angsty, disaffected, etc., and they "rebel", they practice promiscuity, and people that have had lots of sɛҳuąƖ partners are much more likely to divorce their spouses. Evolution serves the exact same purpose. It's all about getting the kid's to lose self-respect and hope, to "disenchant" (what they call it, really it's a form of enchantment) them.


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    Some very interesting comments there, Thurifer and McFiggly.  


    I have something else, that just hit me:  

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    These charlatans actually have a NAME for a planet that they think smashed into earth in its formative millions of years when it was a molten blob -- hot, of course, because of the HEAT THAT CAME FROM THE HEAT OF MANY MANY METEORS SMASHING INTO EARTH, and the impact heat of these metorites (the name changes to 'meteorite' when it impacts the earth, but they don't bother to tell you that, probably because they're afraid it's too much to believe all at once, and they want you to swallow their propaganda, not really LEARN something) is what added up to a molten mantle!?!?



    I don't know how I missed this before, but here it is:  

    First they say the the HEAT OF IMPACT was so great, and so powerful, for so many what, MILLIONS OF YEARS, that it caused the earth's core to be hot!  This is a TREMENDOUS amount of heat, the BTU's of the earth's core.  It is so great that it is still hot today.  That says A LOT.  

    BUT THEN, they have the STUPIDITY to say, that these SAME ICE COLD (-270 degrees Celsius cold!) ASTEROIDS  --  that by smashing into earth as meteors caused all this ENORMOUS heat energy, that suddenly, these meteors changed, and no more would they be hot and imparting heat to the earth, but now instead, they would be imparting WATER to the earth.

    That's right, folks, THE BIG SWITCH happened, and the same meteors that delivered heat energy like a trillion daily deliveries of Heroshima-type atom bombs out of frozen rocks, for MILLIONS OF YEARS to make the earth's mantle hot, those same meteors would suddenly deliver TANKER TRUCKLOADS of water, BILLIONS OF TANKER TRUCKLOADS OF WATER, to FILL THE OCEANS with H2O.  

    But not a WORD of how that change happened.  And not a WORD of how it could happen ONLY on the earth and not on the other planets.  

    There is only one option:  THEY TAKE US FOR FOOLS.


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     Has anyone done the math for how many impacts of how big meteorites would have to hit the earth in how much time to render a MOLTEN MANTLE in the earth of what, 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit (actually, that's 1650 degrees Celsius).

    And of course, with no atmosphere, a surface that hot wouldn't have any WATER on it.

    But the earth has a LOT of water ---------------- and other planets DON'T.

    It takes them until minute 36 to attempt to say that WATER is brought to earth (and only the earth?) by means of comets and asteroids!  And of course, the water they bring is nice and fresh water, not like bilge scuм from a Klingon Battleship.

    Probably like Arrowhead or Perrier, or, hey, Coors!  Correct?  :cheers:

    "Rocky Mountain Spring Water!!"  :rolleyes:



    "Next time you drink a glass of water, just think you're drinking asteroid juice!"



    But they don't bother to explain how that only happened to the earth, and not to, let's say, Mars!  Or Venus!



    This is such a pile of propaganda it's incredible.

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