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Re: Catholics and Hitler
« Reply #375 on: December 08, 2017, 05:09:18 AM »
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    but still there was a foundation of morality that was present.

    The raison d'ĂȘtre for National Socialist ethics is the race. It's guiding spirit is Blut und Boden - blood and soil - and it quite literally turns race, and in particular the "Aryan" race, into an idol that is worshipped.
    The existence of any Christian moral principles here is accidental and does not spring from the same source of Catholic principles of rooted in love of God and love of neighbour. Rather is speaks of a "German God" and it perverts the latter into idolatry and a dehumanisation of those it deems to be "racially inferior".
    If you can't see how essentially Satanic National Socialism was, then I'm afraid you're either ignorant of actual National Socialist philosophy and are looking at Third Reich history with one eye closed, or you don't know what Christian means. Read Mit brennender Sorge and educate yourself on the institutional persecution of Christians and traditional Christianity with a book like Kreuz und Hakenkreuz, you goddamned fools.

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #376 on: December 08, 2017, 08:10:27 PM »
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  • The raison d'ĂȘtre for National Socialist ethics is the race. It's guiding spirit is Blut und Boden - blood and soil - and it quite literally turns race, and in particular the "Aryan" race, into an idol that is worshipped.
    The existence of any Christian moral principles here is accidental and does not spring from the same source of Catholic principles of rooted in love of God and love of neighbour. Rather is speaks of a "German God" and it perverts the latter into idolatry and a dehumanisation of those it deems to be "racially inferior".
    If you can't see how essentially Satanic National Socialism was, then I'm afraid you're either ignorant of actual National Socialist philosophy and are looking at Third Reich history with one eye closed, or you don't know what Christian means. Read Mit brennender Sorge and educate yourself on the institutional persecution of Christians and traditional Christianity with a book like Kreuz und Hakenkreuz, you goddamned fools.
    I always know when the name calling comes out that the "other side" is grasping, desperate or dishonest. I will be willing to simply say ignorance in this case.
    Satanic? Because someone wants to protect their identity? Tell you what. When the Catholic Church of today can produce the example of successfully protecting their identity, then we will talk..... 
    The German people, nor the NSDAP promoted "superiority". It's a false argument. I know what NSDAP philosophy is. I have read Mit brennender Sorge and I have decided it is not infallible for reasons of subterfuge from Pius XI's advisor's and being beyond his competency. The NSDAP did not persecute Christians for being Christians, they were arrested and incarcerated for being politically subversive, with many of the clergy being Marxist sympathizers, not to mention pedophiles. 
    The Church violated the concordant by virtue of many the clergy violating the agreement themselves. They were every bit as guilty as whatever the perceived violations for the NSDAP. 
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco


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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #377 on: December 08, 2017, 08:19:00 PM »
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  • Well, it didn't take long for the fog of lies to be dissipated; I watched a few talks by David Irving and watched most of the videos linked above and I am not convinced that the gas chamber holocaust is a total myth.

    I remain unconvinced, though, that Adolf Hitler was anything more than a nominal christian.

    The Dennis Wise documentary is almost unwatchable.  It is poorly edited, has endless clips of some movie, and random voice overs by unidentified voices.  Then occasionally the scrolling text.  It is more of a narrative than a documentary.

    I've been in touch with David Irving and hope to have a few of his books soon.  I also want to read Leon Degrelle's book about the treaty of Versailles, which happens to be out of print and very expensive on the used book market.  I wrote IHR asking them where I might find it and whether they might reprint it.  I haven't heard back.

    Thank you all again for these sources.  My wife and I are angry that we've been lied to and emotionally manipulated for years about this, but happy to have the truth.
    Ryan, there are free pdf copies online of Leon Degrelle's book. It is worth every effort to read. I'm afarid you won't get a response form IHR because they won't print anymore. Long story there. Degrelle's book is a world view changer.
    The Dennis Wise movie has been chopped up for the sake of brevity of viewing. If you watch it the way Wise intended before youtube banned it, it flows better. The voices, I believe, can be found in the credits, IIRC. I don't think Wise ever claimed it was a documentary. It was meant to finally tell the other side of the story. I find the editing to be pretty solid and the presentation fantastic. His "Communism by the Back Door" is very good as well. 
    David Irving's expertise is on the war and the political maneuvering of both sides. As I said, watch Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel's retort on the "gassings". 
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #378 on: December 08, 2017, 10:09:13 PM »
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  • Ryan, there are free pdf copies online of Leon Degrelle's book. It is worth every effort to read. I'm afarid you won't get a response form IHR because they won't print anymore. Long story there. Degrelle's book is a world view changer.
    The Dennis Wise movie has been chopped up for the sake of brevity of viewing. If you watch it the way Wise intended before youtube banned it, it flows better. The voices, I believe, can be found in the credits, IIRC. I don't think Wise ever claimed it was a documentary. It was meant to finally tell the other side of the story. I find the editing to be pretty solid and the presentation fantastic. His "Communism by the Back Door" is very good as well.
    David Irving's expertise is on the war and the political maneuvering of both sides. As I said, watch Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel's retort on the "gassings".
    Thank you again, LeDeg.  I will give the documentary another chance to woo me. 

    I typed a typo above.  Where it says I am "not convinced...gas chamber...myth" it is supposed to say "NOW convinced..."  David Irving sold me, as did the Germar Rudolf research.

    I'll read the PDF of Degrelle's book, though I still want a physical copy.  I hate reading digital books.

    What is the story of IHR?

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #379 on: December 09, 2017, 12:19:11 AM »
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  • What??

    Relations between Germany & the Vatican were always good.  Tithes went up dramatically, 2500 new Catholic & Lutheran Churches were built, and half of Europe was protected from being Bolshevized.
    The real story was this...


    If relations were so good then please explain Pope Pius XI's criticisms in Mit Bernender Sorge.


     

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