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Ham smuggled magic past the Flood
« on: October 27, 2014, 05:42:51 AM »
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  • I found this fascinating tidbit of information that dates back to the late 4th century.

    From Chapter 21 of St. John Cassian's SECOND CONFERENCE OF ABBOT SERENUS. ON PRINCIPALITIES.


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    And so, as ancient traditions tell us, Ham the son of Noah, who had been taught these superstitions and wicked and profane arts, as he knew that he could not possibly bring any handbook on these subjects into the ark, into which he was to enter with his good father and holy brothers, inscribed these nefarious arts and profane devices on plates of various metals which could not be destroyed by the flood of waters, and on hard rocks, and when the flood was over he hunted for them with the same inquisitiveness with which he had concealed them, and so transmitted to his descendants a seed-bed of profanity and perpetual sin. In this way then that common notion, according to which men believe that angels delivered to men enchantments and diverse arts, is in truth fulfilled. From these sons of Seth then and daughters of Cain, as we have said, there were born still worse children who became mighty hunters, violent and most fierce men who were termed giants by reason of the size of their bodies and their cruelty and wickedness. For these first began to harass their neighbours and to practise pillaging among men, getting their living rather by rapine than by being contented with the sweat and labour of toil, and their wickedness increased to such a pitch that the world could only be purified by the flood and deluge.




    Fun, huh?  


    Learning is fun-demental.



    Just thought someone should know.

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    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2014, 06:34:58 AM »
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  • That story of Ham's concealing wicked methods sounds as if it were passed down through the midrash.  

    Was St John Cassian a convert from Judaism?



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    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2014, 07:43:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    I found this fascinating tidbit of information that dates back to the late 4th century.

    From Chapter 21 of St. John Cassian's SECOND CONFERENCE OF ABBOT SERENUS. ON PRINCIPALITIES.


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    And so, as ancient traditions tell us, Ham the son of Noah, who had been taught these superstitions and wicked and profane arts, as he knew that he could not possibly bring any handbook on these subjects into the ark, into which he was to enter with his good father and holy brothers, inscribed these nefarious arts and profane devices on plates of various metals which could not be destroyed by the flood of waters, and on hard rocks, and when the flood was over he hunted for them with the same inquisitiveness with which he had concealed them, and so transmitted to his descendants a seed-bed of profanity and perpetual sin. In this way then that common notion, according to which men believe that angels delivered to men enchantments and diverse arts, is in truth fulfilled. From these sons of Seth then and daughters of Cain, as we have said, there were born still worse children who became mighty hunters, violent and most fierce men who were termed giants by reason of the size of their bodies and their cruelty and wickedness. For these first began to harass their neighbours and to practise pillaging among men, getting their living rather by rapine than by being contented with the sweat and labour of toil, and their wickedness increased to such a pitch that the world could only be purified by the flood and deluge.




    Fun, huh?  


    Learning is fun-demental.



    Just thought someone should know.



    The modern, recreated equivalent the of the human exploiting Giants pillaging & creating misery/poverty off the backs of rest of population on earth (eg offshore tax evasions in "Devil Island" Bermuda)

    - are the Global 'MeGA' Corporations/Banks and CEO's that run them. We are brainwashed to look up to with admiration whilst they exploit and fleece us whilst wrecking the Earth.(their media blames us)

    (In UK, population was forced to pay £6 Billion+ to clean up Industrial pollution in rivers & ex Industrial sites (hidden covertly as Green Projects)
    - the rich, who benefitted most over hundreds of years , paid nothing!
    (same tricks/con played socially covering bailing out their 'failed', bust banks))

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    « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2014, 07:53:39 AM »
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  • St. John Cassian's Conferences are some of the best reading a man can do. And they're online too, for the most part.
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    'Flores apparuerunt in terra nostra. . . Fulcite me floribus.' (The flowers appear on the earth. . . stay me up with flowers. Sg 2:12,5)'-

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    Ham smuggled magic past the Flood
    « Reply #5 on: October 27, 2014, 11:30:14 AM »
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  • http://www.genesis6giants.com/index.php?s=392


    Proving The Bible

        A.
           Present day modern man which averages about 6-feet tall + or - several inches or more.
        B.
           15-foot human skeleton found in southeast Turkey in late 1950's in the Euphrates valley during road construction.  Many tombs containing giants were uncovered here. This pertains to the picture of the giant human femur and myself above.
        C.
           Maximinus Thrax Ceaser of Rome 235-238 A.D.  This was an 8' 6" skeleton.
        D.    Goliath was about 9 feet + or - a few inches.  I Samuel 17:4 late 11th century.
        E.    King Og spoken of in Deuteronomy 3:11 whose iron bedstead was approximately 14-feet by 6-feet wide. King Og was at least 12-feet tall, yet some claim up to 18.
        F.    A 19'6" human skeleton found in 1577 A.D. under an overturned oak tree in the Canton of Lucerne.
        G.    23-foot tall skeleton found in 1456 A.D. beside a river in Valence, France.
        H.    A 25' 6 " skeleton found in 1613 A.D. near the castle of Chaumont in France. This was claimed to be a nearly complete find.
        I.    Almost beyond comprehension or believability was the find of the two separate 36-foot human remains uncovered by Carthaginians somewhere between 200-600 B.C.

        Source for the above information:
        Joe Taylor, Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum
        124 West Main St., P.O. Box 550, Crosbyton, TX 79322
        (805) 675-7777 (office) and (806) 675-2421 (fax)
        http://www.mtblanco.com
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    Ham smuggled magic past the Flood
    « Reply #6 on: October 27, 2014, 05:21:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    That story of Ham's concealing wicked methods sounds as if it were passed down through the midrash.  


    I don't know.  I don't think so.  


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    Was St John Cassian a convert from Judaism?


    A Jew convert?  Not sure.  The story about Ham was related to him by another monk.  I wonder if this ancient story came out of the Library of Alexandria.  When was that sucker burned down by the Muslims?



    In regards to the giants, I was actually interested in the anecdote about Ham preserving diabolic magic through the flood, rather than the giants.  

    Still though.  Talk of the giants is cool, too.


    Anyone else hear of other sources about this idea of Ham dabbling in magic?  Also, isn't Ham the progenitor of the blacks?

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    « Reply #7 on: October 27, 2014, 06:20:19 PM »
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    Also, isn't Ham the progenitor of the blacks?



    I have no authority for it, but growing up I heard people say that was Cain.  I don't know what they were going by to say that.


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    Ham smuggled magic past the Flood
    « Reply #8 on: October 27, 2014, 07:28:44 PM »
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  • Noah had 3 sons, Sem,Ham, and Japeth from whom the 72 tribes of mankind come from. After the Tower of Babel incident, Sem's tribes took Asia, Ham's tribes went off to Africa except for some rebels who went to Babylon and Phoenicia, and Japeth's tribes went off to the southern coasts of the Caspian sea (the Caucasus).

    This is according to Fr. Maegher (D.D.) in his book How Christ Said the First Mass.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 27, 2014, 10:57:03 PM »
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  • Read pages 95 & 96 of How Christ Said the first Mass.

    https://archive.org/details/howchristsaidfi00meag
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 11:06:00 PM »
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  • "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    « Reply #11 on: October 28, 2014, 03:50:24 AM »
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    Here is the site for the giants  Full pictures.

    http://mukhyyarhussain.blogspot.com/2010/09/some-more-pictures-of-remains-of-qom-e.html


    Those pictures could easily be photoshopped.  

    I don't know.  They look too good to be true.
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    « Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 07:27:09 AM »
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    Here is the site for the giants  Full pictures.

    http://mukhyyarhussain.blogspot.com/2010/09/some-more-pictures-of-remains-of-qom-e.html


    Those pictures could easily be photoshopped.  

    I don't know.  They look too good to be true.


    So they had "photoshop" when they started printing reports in media about these 'finds' well over a century ago?

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    « Reply #13 on: October 28, 2014, 01:51:11 PM »
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    Here is the site for the giants  Full pictures.

    http://mukhyyarhussain.blogspot.com/2010/09/some-more-pictures-of-remains-of-qom-e.html


    Thank you! That's what I was looking for. Not photo-shopped. Numerous reports of recent discoveries in South America -- as soon as they go on display the Smithsonian Institute sweeps in to "assist" and the artifacts disappear. Why? The artifacts disprove evolution and support Scripture.

    Here’s one for your “Forbidden Archaeology” file. Scientists are remaining stubbornly silent about a lost race of giants found in burial mounds near Lake Delavan, Wisconsin, in May 1912.

    The dig site at Lake Delavan was overseen by Beloit College and it included more than 200 effigy mounds that proved to be classic examples of 8th century Woodland Culture.

    But the enormous size of the skeletons and elongated skulls found in May 1912 did not fit very neatly into anyone’s concept of a textbook standard. They were enormous. These were not average human beings.

    Strange Skulls


    First reported in the 4 May 1912 issue of the New York Times the 18 skeletons found by the Peterson brothers on Lake Lawn Farm in southwest Wisconsin exhibited several strange and freakish features.

    Their heights ranged between 7.6ft and 10 feet and their skulls...

        “presumably those of men, are much larger than the heads of any race which inhabit America to-day.”

    They tend to have a double row of teeth, 6 fingers, 6 toes and like humans came in differant races. The teeth in the front of the jaw are regular molars. Heads usually found are elongated believed due to longer than normal life span.

    One must wonder how much can they lift if twice the size of a average human today? Are these the Giants the Bible & many other civilizations have in their history and painted on their walls?

    The Bible in Genisis 6:4

        "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old men of renown."

    Now this is faulty logic to any scientist out there because I am using religous/cultural history to fill a hole in science.

    Over 200 Giant digs have been found in recent years. Giant skeleton finds have not made the local/national news since the 1950’s for the most part. It seems in most peoples opinion do to the fear that people would question evolution . If anything a de-evolution.

    In 2002, National Geographic reported a dozen Cyclops skeletons found in Greece that stood 12-15 1/2 Ft tall. That is 3 humans tall. One eye socket. Giants in history are typically cannibalistic in nature.

    The reason why I am bringing up giants will all tie into politics, and word happenings. Look at a basketball hoop and add 5 feet. That tall. Greek Mythology talks about war with cyclops learning they had to bring down by taking out their legs rendering them slow and helpless.

    American Giants (Red Hair Giants) where found with egyptian writing on their tombs have been found in multiple locations.


    Mystery of The Wisconsin Giants

    Was this some sort of prank, a hoax played by local farm boys or a demented taxidermist for fun and the attention of the press? The answer is no.

    The Lake Delavan find of May 1912 was only one of dozens and dozens of similar finds that were reported in local newspapers from 1851 forward to the present day. It was not even the first set of giant skeletons found in Wisconsin.

    On 10 August 1891, the New York Times reported that scientists from the Smithsonian Institution had discovered several large “pyramidal monuments” on Lake Mills, near Madison, Wisconsin.

        “Madison was in ancient days the centre of a teeming population numbering not less than 200,000,” the Times said.

    The excavators found an elaborate system of defensive works which they named Fort Aztalan.

        “The celebrated mounds of Ohio and Indiana can bear no comparison, either in size, design or the skill displayed in their construction with these gigantic and mysterious monuments of earth — erected we know not by whom, and for what purpose we can only conjecture,” said the Times.

    On 20 December 1897, the Times followed up with a report on three large burial mounds that had been discovered in Maple Creek, Wisconsin. One had recently been opened.

        “In it was found the skeleton of a man of gigantic size. The bones measured from head to foot over nine feet and were in a fair state of preservation. The skull was as large as a half bushel measure. Some finely tempered rods of copper and other relics were lying near the bones.”

    Giant skulls and skeletons of a race of “Goliaths” have been found on a very regular basis throughout the Midwestern states for more than 100 years. Giants have been found in Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Kentucky and New York, and their burial sites are similar to the well-known mounds of the Mound Builder people.

    The spectrum of Mound builder history spans a period of more than 5,000 years (from 3400 BCE to the 16th CE), a period greater than the history of Ancient Egypt and all of its dynasties.

    There is a “prevailing scholarly consensus” that we have an adequate historical understanding of the peoples who lived in North America during this period. However, the long record of anomalous finds like those at Lake Delavan suggests otherwise.

    The Great Smithsonian Cover-Up

    Has there been a giant cover-up? Why aren’t there public displays of gigantic Native American skeletons at natural history museums?

    The skeletons of some Mound Builders are certainly on display. There is a wonderful exhibit, for example, at the Aztalan State Park where one may see the skeleton of a “Princess of Aztalan” in the museum.

    But the skeletons placed on display are normal-sized, and according to some sources, the skeletons of giants have been covered up.

    Specifically, the Smithsonian Institution has been accused of making a deliberate effort to hide the “telling of the bones” and to keep the giant skeletons locked away.

    In the words of Vine Deloria, a Native American author and professor of law:

        “Modern day archaeology and anthropology have nearly sealed the door on our imaginations, broadly interpreting the North American past as devoid of anything unusual in the way of great cultures characterized by a people of unusual demeanor.

        “The great interloper of ancient burial grounds, the nineteenth century Smithsonian Institution, created a one-way portal, through which uncounted bones have been spirited.

        “This door and the contents of its vault are virtually sealed off to anyone, but government officials. Among these bones may lay answers not even sought by these officials concerning the deep past.”

    Two Giant Skeletons Near Potosi, WI

    The January 13th, 1870 edition of the Wisconsin Decatur Republican reported that two giant, well-preserved skeletons of an unknown race were discovered near Potosi, WI by workers digging the foundation of a saw mill near the bank of the Mississippi river.

    One skeleton measured seven-and-a-half feet, the other eight feet. The skulls of each had prominent cheek bones and double rows of teeth. A large collection of arrowheads and “strange toys” were found buried with the remains.

    Giant Skeleton Discovered in Maple Creek, WI

    On December 20th, 1897 the New York Times reported that three large burial mounds had been discovered near Maple Creek, WI. Upon excavation, a skeleton measuring over nine feet from head to toe was discovered with finely tempered copper rods and other relics.

    Giant Skeleton in West Bend, WI

    A giant skeleton was unearthed outside of West Bend near Lizard Mound County Park and assembled by local farmers to a height of eight feet. More about this can be found in Washington County Paranormal: A Wisconsin Legend Trip by local author and investigator J. Nathan Couch.

    While a normal-sized skeleton of a supposed mound builder (the “Princess of Aztalan”) is on display at the site of several large pyramidal monuments near Madison called Aztalan State Park, the goliath remains of Wisconsin’s giants have vanished along with the hundreds of others discovered throughout the midwest.

    Many have accused the Smithsonian Institution of covering up these discoveries, locking the giant skeletons away and depriving the public of their findings.

    Related: Alien Base for Giants Discovered in the Bucegi Mountains;

    By Mark Shernick, Old Curiosity Shop; | References:

        Anon. "Strange Skeletons Found: Indications that Tribe Hitherto Unknown Once Lived In Wisconsin," New York Times, 4 May 1912.
        Anon. "The Wisconsin Mounds: Interesting Relics of Pre-Historic Civilization" New York Times, 10 August 1891.
        Burlington News, "The Princess of Aztalan" (Photos), Mound Builders page.
        Dahly, Terje "Old Newspapers Are Serious About Giant Skeletons" from the "Giants: Did They Live?" website.
        Deloria Jr., Vine. Red Earth, White Lies: Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact (Fulcrum Publications, 1997).
        Hamilton, Ross. "A Holocaust of Giants: The Great Smithsonian Cover-Up" Xpeditions Magazine website.
        Sutherland, Mary. "Giants... Giants... Giants... Giants" A Big Page About Giants, BUFO Radio / Burlington News website.
        Unknown. "Greater Humans" page. Greater Ancestors World Museum website.
        Wikipedia, "Aztalan State Park" Wisconsin.

    - See more at: http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-great-smithsonian-cover-up-18-giant.html#sthash.zfKMYn6E.dpuf
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    « Reply #14 on: October 28, 2014, 02:18:28 PM »
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  • I found this interesting link:
    http://www.monachos.net/conversation/topic/1607-nephilim-genesis-64-patristic-commentary-requested/

    Irenaeus of Lyons speaks in surprising detail about the Nephalim. Perhaps the most important single quotation is:

    "For unlawful unions occurred on earth, as angels united themselves with daughters of men, who bore them sons who, because of their exaggerated height, were called giants (cf. Gen 6.2-4). The angels then gave their wives, as gifts, wicked teachings, for they taught them the powers of roots and herbs, of dyeing and cosmetics, and the discovery of precious material, love-potions, hatreds, loves, infatuations, seductions, bonds of witchcraft, and all kinds of divination and idolatry hateful to God. When these entered the world, the things of wickedness overabounded, while those of righteousness decreased, until judgement came upon the world from God […]" (A demonstration of the apostolic preaching, 18, 19).

    This text makes it quite clear that Irenaeus knew (well) the Book of Enoch, and that it influenced his reading of Genesis (this is clear also from various passages in his longer work, The detection and overthrow of knowledge falsely so-called).

    Interestingly, Irenaeus ties the above actions of the Nephalim directly into the spread of the consequences of Adam and Eve's original sin to the whole of the world.
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