Author Topic: Fr. Malachi Martin (Read 16571 times)

SoldierOfChrist · « **on:** April 26, 2013, 05:22:55 PM »

I came to understand the rightful place of the traditional liturgy by stumbling upon youtube interviews with the late Fr. Malachi Martin. I have listened to everything that I've been able to find with him. I've also just about finished his novel "Vatican" and I'm about to get started on "Windswept House". I'd like to speak to others who are familiar with his works as I have a lot of questions and ideas and I don't know too many people with whom to discuss all of this.

Napoli · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2013, 05:35:07 PM »

A very good and holy man. Lots of his interviews are online. His books are very good too.

Incredulous · « **Reply #2 on:** April 26, 2013, 05:44:03 PM »

Ryan,

There should be a ton of posts on Father Martin in this forum's archives.

His interviews helped lead me to the TLM, so I like the venerable Irishman.

He's naturally been involved in controversies and has many defenders and detractors. For example, Michael A. Hoffman has been Father's nemesis.

You'll have to do the research and judge for yourself.

Here's a starter: Triumph Communications Defense of Father Martin

Napoli · « **Reply #3 on:** April 26, 2013, 09:07:19 PM »

I especially find it disturbing when traditional catholic's have something against him. He was a champion for our cause. Truly a prophet for our times.

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2013, 12:38:55 AM »

Just finished "Vatican". Some of his writing towards the end of the novel actually moved me to tears. I feel that Father Martin must be smiling down at us from Heaven. I cannot imagine the countless souls that his recordings and his writings have won for God both during his lifetime and after his death. I thank God for Fr. Martin.

SJB · « **Reply #5 on:** April 27, 2013, 06:54:04 AM »

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I especially find it disturbing when traditional catholic's have something against him. He was a champion for our cause. Truly a prophet for our times.

He was also a proven adulterer and manipulator. Have you ever read any of his early books, such as Jesus Now? He was hardly a friend to tradition.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #6 on:** April 27, 2013, 11:00:06 AM »

Yet his later books did not contain any error. Seems consistent with the claim of Hugh Akins, who knew Fr. Martin personally and says that he converted later in life.

Also, there's no proof that he was an adulterer.

SJB · « **Reply #7 on:** April 27, 2013, 01:41:03 PM »

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Yet his later books did not contain any error. Seems consistent with the claim of Hugh Akins, who knew Fr. Martin personally and says that he converted later in life.

Also, there's no proof that he was an adulterer.

There is proof. Later in life, he wrote a series of sensational books; as far as I know he never recanted any earlier writings. His book Jesus Now is blasphemous to say the least.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** April 27, 2013, 03:08:03 PM »

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Yet his later books did not contain any error. Seems consistent with the claim of Hugh Akins, who knew Fr. Martin personally and says that he converted later in life.

Also, there's no proof that he was an adulterer.

There is proof. Later in life, he wrote a series of sensational books; as far as I know he never recanted any earlier writings. His book Jesus Now is blasphemous to say the least.

Where's the proof that he was an adulterer, then?

As for his earlier writings, I don't deny that they were trash, but Hugh Akins and Bernard Janzen - two credible sources - claim that he converted. So far, no one has been able to refute their claims. All they've been able to do is prove what Akins and Janzen admit, that Fr. Martin used to be a liberal Judaizer. That doesn't refute their claims that he converted, though.

If anyone can show me a clear heresy or blasphemy that Fr. Martin states in one of his later books, I'll retract my defense of him.

Napoli · « **Reply #9 on:** April 27, 2013, 11:36:20 PM »

I only speak of Father Martin in the context of the 1990's. I have never read anything from him which is openly heretical. I take issue with judging him about things which he may or may not have done. I believe he died in the state of grace. Or at the very least, I hope so. Attacking him has become something of a fad in the last decade.

Napoli · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2013, 11:36:19 AM »

I suppose if your lacking in charity or have an agenda or need to validate your own shortcomings? Why must Catholics turn on one another. Life it seems is a long series of noticing specks in almost everyone's eyes........ except our own.

SJB · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2013, 07:35:08 PM »

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I suppose if your lacking in charity or have an agenda or need to validate your own shortcomings? Why must Catholics turn on one another. Life it seems is a long series of noticing specks in almost everyone's eyes........ except our own.

You just made some nasty assumptions about me; is that charitable? The facts surrounding MM are not pretty. Have you ever read any of his earlier books? As far as I know, he's never retracted his blasphemous writings.

Napoli · « **Reply #12 on:** April 28, 2013, 08:08:31 PM »

Actually, I wasn't specifically talking about you. I meant no disrespect.
There seems to be just as many people that like as do not. If he doesn't appeal to you, stay away from his work. If you look at anybodies life, I bet you can find a phase in where everything wasn't as it should have been. His recent work, especially, is inspiring to many Catholics. The man is dead, why attack him?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #13 on:** April 28, 2013, 08:37:23 PM »

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I suppose if your lacking in charity or have an agenda or need to validate your own shortcomings? Why must Catholics turn on one another. Life it seems is a long series of noticing specks in almost everyone's eyes........ except our own.

You just made some nasty assumptions about me; is that charitable? The facts surrounding MM are not pretty. Have you ever read any of his earlier books? As far as I know, he's never retracted his blasphemous writings.

Are there any heresies or blasphemies in his later writings?

If there are, please provide them.

Napoli · « **Reply #14 on:** April 28, 2013, 11:59:47 PM »

I concur. Please provide details of these blasphemies and heresies in any of his later books, talks, etc. Are we going to judge the man for the way he was in the past or how he was before he was murdered?