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Church modes and Musical Keys
« on: July 28, 2011, 03:24:39 PM »
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    Dorian  Church Mode I
    The Dorian Mode dries watery Phlegm, weakening its influence such that instead of causing lethargy, it causes a sense of equanimity and calm. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Dorian mode's imparting the power of the Sun.  

     Hypodorian  Church Mode II
    The Hypodorian mode magnifies Phlegm's effect on the body and induces lethargy and sleep. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Hypodorian mode's imparting the power of the Moon.
     
    Phrygian  Church Mode III
    The Phrygian mode reinforces the effects of Yellow Bile, inciting angry passions. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Phrygian mode's imparting the power of the Mars.  

     Hypophrygian  Church Mode IV
    The Hypophrygian mode mitigates Yellow Bile's effects and acts as a musical scale to sooth the savage breast. It is a tender-sounding scale that incites delight. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Hypophrygian mode's imparting the power of the Mercury.  
         
    Lydian  Church Mode V
    The Lydian mode reinforces the Blood, producing happiness. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Lydian mode's imparting the power of the Jupiter.  

     Hypolydian  Church Mode VI
    The Hypolydian mode -- the "Weeping Mode" -- suppresses the effects of Blood, resulting in sadness and piety. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Hypolydian mode's imparting the power of the Venus.  
     
    Mixolydian  Church Mode VII
    The Mixolydian mode magnifies the effect of Black Bile, leading to melancholia. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Mixolydian mode's imparting the power of the Saturn.    

     Hypomixolydian  Church Mode VIII
    The Hypomixolydian mode supresses the effects of Black Bile and is the mode of happiness, perfection, and bliss. The ancient Greeks attributed this to the Hypolydian mode's imparting the power of the stars.  
     


    Here are the notes of the 12 modes:

    1.Dorian: D E F G A B C D
    2.Hypodorian: A B C D E F G A
    3.Phrygian: E F G A B C D E
    4.Hypophrygian: B C D E F G A B
    5.Lydian: F G A B C D E F
    6.Hypolydian: C D E F G A B C
    7.Mixolydian: G A B C D E F G
    8.Hypomixolydian: D E F G A B C D
    9.Aeolian: A B C D E F G
    10.Hypoaeolian: E F G A B C D
    11.Ionian: C D E F G A B C
    12.Hypoionian: G A B C D E F G


    Also interesting, 18th century musical philosophy on key characteristics:

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    from Christian Schubart's Ideen zu einer Aesthetik der Tonkunst (1806)

    C Major
    Completely Pure. Its character is: innocence, simplicity, na�vety, children's talk.

    C Minor
    Declaration of love and at the same time the lament of unhappy love. All languishing, longing, sighing of the love-sick soul lies in this key.

    Db Major
    A leering key, degenerating into grief and rapture. It cannot laugh, but it can smile; it cannot howl, but it can at least grimace its crying.--Consequently only unusual characters and feelings can be brought out in this key.

    C# Minor
    Penitential lamentation, intimate conversation with God, the friend and help-meet of life; sighs of disappointed friendship and love lie in its radius.

    D Major
    The key of triumph, of Hallejuahs, of war-cries, of victory-rejoicing. Thus, the inviting symphonies, the marches, holiday songs and heaven-rejoicing choruses are set in this key.

    D Minor
    Melancholy womanliness, the spleen and humours brood.

    Eb Major
    The key of love, of devotion, of intimate conversation with God.

    D# Minor
    Feelings of the anxiety of the soul's deepest distress, of brooding despair, of blackest depresssion, of the most gloomy condition of the soul. Every fear, every hesitation of the shuddering heart, breathes out of horrible D# minor. If ghosts could speak, their speech would approximate this key.

    E Major
    Noisy shouts of joy, laughing pleasure and not yet complete, full delight lies in E Major.

    E minor
    Na�ve, womanly innocent declaration of love, lament without grumbling; sighs accompanied by few tears; this key speaks of the imminent hope of resolving in the pure happiness of C major.
    F Major
    Complaisance & Calm.

    F Minor
    Deep depression, funereal lament, groans of misery and longing for the grave.

    F# Major
    Triumph over difficulty, free sigh of relief utered when hurdles are surmounted; echo of a soul which has fiercely struggled and finally conquered lies in all uses of this key.

    F# Minor
    A gloomy key: it tugs at passion as a dog biting a dress. Resentment and discontent are its language.

    G Major
    Everything rustic, idyllic and lyrical, every calm and satisfied passion, every tender gratitude for true friendship and faithful love,--in a word every gentle and peaceful emotion of the heart is correctly expressed by this key.

    G Minor
    Discontent, uneasiness, worry about a failed scheme; bad-tempered gnashing of teeth; in a word: resentment and dislike.

    Ab Major
    Key of the grave. Death, grave, putrefaction, judgment, eternity lie in its radius.

    Ab Minor
    Grumbler, heart squeezed until it suffocates; wailing lament, difficult struggle; in a word, the color of this key is everything struggling with difficulty.

    A Major
    This key includes declarations of innocent love, satisfaction with one's state of affairs; hope of seeing one's beloved again when parting; youthful cheerfulness and trust in God.
    A minor
    Pious womanliness and tenderness of character.

    Bb Major
    Cheerful love, clear conscience, hope aspiration for a better world.

    Bb minor
    A quaint creature, often dressed in the garment of night. It is somewhat surly and very seldom takes on a pleasant countenance. Mocking God and the world; discontented with itself and with everything; preparation for suicide sounds in this key.

    B Major
    Strongly coloured, announcing wild passions, composed from the most glaring coulors. Anger, rage, jealousy, fury, despair and every burden of the heart lies in its sphere.
    B Minor
    This is as it were the key of patience, of calm awaiting ones's fate and of submission to divine dispensation.

    Translated by Rita Steblin in A History of Key Characteristics in the 18th and Early 19th Centuries. UMI Research Press (1983).


    Johann Mattheson's take:

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    C Major - Rude, Impudent, also suited to rejoicing and occasions of joy. A Clever composer can fit this for something charming or something tender. Serves to rouse an army.

    C Min - Lovely, but sad. can easily put someone to sleep by it's gentleness.

    D Major - Shrill and Stubborn - best suited to noisy, joyful warlike and rousing things.

    D Minor - devout, calm, serious, also grand, pleasant and expressive of contentment.

    Eb Major - Pathetic, serious, plaintive, also hostile to to all lasciviousness

    A Major - Very Gripping, also brilliant, more suited to lamenting and sad passions. Playful and jesting.

    A Minor - plaintive, honourable, and calm. invites pleasant sleep.

    Bb Major - diverting and sumptuous. somewhat modest

    E Major - Desperate or wholly fatal sadness. Suited for the extremes of helpless and hopeless love, can also be biting, severing, sorrowful, and penetrating. compared with nothin but the fatal seperation of body and soul.

    F Major - capable of expressing the beautiful sentiments in the world


    F# Min - leads to great distress, but more languid and lovesick than lethal. something abandoned, singular and misanthropic about it

    G Major - insinuating and persuasive. quite brilliant; suitable from serious to cheerful


    PDF full of good information:

    http://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1561&context=theses&sei-redir=1#search=%22determining%20key%20characteristic%22



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    « Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 11:26:25 AM »
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  • Could you help me with the concept of 'mode'? To the best of my knowledge, a mode is a defined series of intervals. So the western major mode (in equal temperament, for convenience's sake) goes:

    whole step
    whole step
    half step
    whole step
    whole step
    whole step
    half step

    Which is the ionian mode.

    While the minor mode goes:

    whole step
    half step
    whole step
    whole step
    whole step
    half step
    whole step

    Which is the dorian mode. Most western music after the medieval period is set in the ionian and dorian modes. All of our scales are permutations of these modes. Which is quite restrictive when you think about it.

    The hypodorian, for example, seems to follow the series:

    whole step
    half step
    whole step
    whole step
    half step
    whole step
    whole step.

    Is that the gist of 'mode'? I suppose it would be more accurate in diatonic or just tuning, but I can't recall all the intervals off the top of my head.




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    « Reply #2 on: August 13, 2011, 09:26:39 PM »
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  • You are probably more knowledgable about this matter than myself - it has been a source of endless confusion for me. Perhaps even more confusing are the semi-pentatonic scales of traditional Chinese music...



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    « Reply #3 on: August 14, 2011, 04:09:41 PM »
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    While the minor mode goes:

    whole step
    half step
    whole step
    whole step
    whole step
    half step
    whole step


    I thought minor was:
    tone (whole step)
    semitone (half step)
    tone
    tone
    tone
    tone and a half
    semitone

    As in A minor:
    A B C D E F G# A


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    « Reply #4 on: August 14, 2011, 04:14:46 PM »
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    Here are the notes of the 12 modes:

    1.Dorian: D E F G A B C D
    2.Hypodorian: A B C D E F G A
    3.Phrygian: E F G A B C D E
    4.Hypophrygian: B C D E F G A B
    5.Lydian: F G A B C D E F
    6.Hypolydian: C D E F G A B C
    7.Mixolydian: G A B C D E F G
    8.Hypomixolydian: D E F G A B C D
    9.Aeolian: A B C D E F G
    10.Hypoaeolian: E F G A B C D
    11.Ionian: C D E F G A B C
    12.Hypoionian: G A B C D E F G


    What's the significance of the notes that are in bold?

    For example, I notice that Hypolydian and Ionian are the same except that the F is bold in Hypolydian, whereas the C is bold in Ionian.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 14, 2011, 06:36:29 PM »
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    Here are the notes of the 12 modes:

    1.Dorian: D E F G A B C D
    2.Hypodorian: A B C D E F G A
    3.Phrygian: E F G A B C D E
    4.Hypophrygian: B C D E F G A B
    5.Lydian: F G A B C D E F
    6.Hypolydian: C D E F G A B C
    7.Mixolydian: G A B C D E F G
    8.Hypomixolydian: D E F G A B C D
    9.Aeolian: A B C D E F G
    10.Hypoaeolian: E F G A B C D
    11.Ionian: C D E F G A B C
    12.Hypoionian: G A B C D E F G


    What's the significance of the notes that are in bold?

    For example, I notice that Hypolydian and Ionian are the same except that the F is bold in Hypolydian, whereas the C is bold in Ionian.


    It has to do with the final note that that particular mode cadences on.



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    « Reply #6 on: August 24, 2011, 04:25:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: clare
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    While the minor mode goes:

    whole step
    half step
    whole step
    whole step
    whole step
    half step
    whole step


    I thought minor was:
    tone (whole step)
    semitone (half step)
    tone
    tone
    tone
    tone and a half
    semitone

    As in A minor:
    A B C D E F G# A


    I believe we're both right. My series is a natural minor, yours is a harmonic minor. Which I didn't consider in my previous post.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 03:49:08 PM »
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  • Thanks for your answers, Vladimir and Graham.

    It's such a long time since I did any music theory, I can't even remember if I was aware of different types of minor key!


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    « Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 04:39:27 PM »
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  • I forgot to ask if you have any insight into 'mode'. Do you? I'm still struggling to understand it.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 04:52:23 PM »
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    I forgot to ask if you have any insight into 'mode'. Do you? I'm still struggling to understand it.


    I don't have much of a clue about it. I'm willing to learn though!

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    « Reply #10 on: August 26, 2011, 02:22:27 PM »
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    I forgot to ask if you have any insight into 'mode'. Do you? I'm still struggling to understand it.


    I don't have much of a clue about it. I'm willing to learn though!


    i willing for you to learn too clare


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    « Reply #11 on: September 21, 2011, 01:08:48 PM »
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    I forgot to ask if you have any insight into 'mode'. Do you? I'm still struggling to understand it.


    I don't have much of a clue about it. I'm willing to learn though!


    As I remember, it has to do with where the tonic (or last note in the mode's scale) is and where the dominant (secondary note the melody revolves around) is. It also has to do with where the half steps and the whole steps are positioned relative to the tonic and the dominant. It's easier to explain at a piano!

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