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Re: Catholics and Hitler
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2017, 03:55:32 AM »
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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
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  • There is no quality and intelligence to be had when we have Catholics praising a Darwinist anti-Catholic regime. How can an ideology that called priests enemies of the state and "abortions in black cassocks" be part of the Church, when it is working against her?
    So let's get this straight. It's not okay for Marxist priests who were actively working to subvert the validly and lawfully elected government, an election that Pius XI put his weight behind to accomplish, to be incarcerated because of being enemies of the state for being Marxists, but it is okay for lay people to call Marxist priests in the post Vatican II world enemies of the Church and enemies of Christ.
    It never ceases to amaze me the line of thinking of trad Catholics......
    Prove that the NSDAP was anti Catholic in it's policy. Not priests who were Marxists and thrown in prison, but prove that the Church was singled out by the NSDAP. 
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco


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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #32 on: July 12, 2017, 09:51:40 PM »
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  • For example regarding Dachau, the supposed saint Maximilien Kolbe, he was publishing anti government materials.  He was warned and told to shut down his press.  He disobeyed.  He was told again after more published material, he was threatened and ordered to stop again.  Then he kept publishing, and finally he was arrested and sent to Dachau.  After 2 warnings from his lawful government he was still given mercy, and he chose to disobey.  The concordat with the Vatican said that priests must stay out of politics, he disobeyed the Vatican.  The false narrative that NSDAP was widespread eugencist and pagan only came about decades after the war.  

    The priests that died at Dachau broke the Vatican concordat and they meddled in politics. They didn't deserve death, and they weren't executed in some death camp, like LeDeg said even the jews haven't considered Dachau a death camp for decades.  They died because of disease and natural causes, just like the hundreds of thousands of communists, masons, and homosexuals that, in line with catholics teaching, were removed from the population.  


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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #33 on: July 12, 2017, 11:21:36 PM »
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  • For example regarding Dachau, the supposed saint Maximilien Kolbe, he was publishing anti government materials.  He was warned and told to shut down his press.  He disobeyed.  He was told again after more published material, he was threatened and ordered to stop again.  Then he kept publishing, and finally he was arrested and sent to Dachau.  After 2 warnings from his lawful government he was still given mercy, and he chose to disobey.  The concordat with the Vatican said that priests must stay out of politics, he disobeyed the Vatican.  The false narrative that NSDAP was widespread eugencist and pagan only came about decades after the war.  

    The priests that died at Dachau broke the Vatican concordat and they meddled in politics. They didn't deserve death, and they weren't executed in some death camp, like LeDeg said even the jews haven't considered Dachau a death camp for decades.  They died because of disease and natural causes, just like the hundreds of thousands of communists, masons, and homosexuals that, in line with catholics teaching, were removed from the population.  
    St Maximilian Kolbe died at Auschwitz. He didn't print anti-government literature. He simply refused to print pro nazi propaganda. 

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #34 on: July 13, 2017, 12:41:32 AM »
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  • St Maximilian Kolbe died at Auschwitz. He didn't print anti-government literature. He simply refused to print pro nazi propaganda.
    Why is Kolbe's actions so hard to believe?

    A leading role in forging the public view in Poland is that of Church clergy there. To read what they taught her followers in Poland is truly blood-curdling. In 1922 the Polish Canon of Posen, prelate Kos, recited a song of hate which he had borrowed from a 1902 drama by Lucjan Rydel, "Jency" (The Prisoners): "Where the German sets down his foot, the earth bleeds for 100 years. Where the German carries water and drinks, wells are foul for 100 years. Where the German breathes, the plague rages for 100 years. Where the German shakes hands, peace breaks down. He cheats the strong, he robs and dominates the weak, and if there were a path leading straight to Heaven, he wouldn't hesitate to dethrone God Himself. And we would even see the German steal the sun from the sky." This is by no means a single, individual case. On August 26th, 1920, the Polish pastor in Adelnau said in a speech: "All Germans residing in Poland ought to be hanged." And another Polish proverb: "Zdechly Niemiec, zdechly pies, mala to roznica jest" - "A croaked German, is a croaked dog, is just a small difference"

    Here is the text of another Polish-Catholic war song which was sung in 1848 at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague:

    "Brothers, take up your scythes! Let us hurry to war!
    Poland's oppression is over, we shall tarry no more.
    Gather hordes about yourselves. Our enemy, the German, shall fall!
    Loot and rob and burn! Let the enemies die a painful death.
    He that hangs the German dogs will gain God's reward.
    I, the provost, promise you shall attain Heaven for it.
    Every sin will be forgiven, even well-planned murder,
    If it promotes Polish freedom everywhere.
    But curses on the evil one who dares speak well of Germany to us.
    Poland shall and must survive. The Pope and God have promised it.
    Russia and Prussia must fall. Hail the Polish banner!
    So rejoice ye all: Polzka zyje, great and small!"

    Not only did some of the priests excel in rhetoric aimed at cultivating deadly hate against Germans during the pre-1939 years, they also prayed in their churches, "O wielk wojn ludów prosimy Cie, Panie! (We pray to you for the great War of Peoples, oh Lord!)"

    Sadly, they actively participated in murdering unsuspecting German soldiers. Cardinal Wyszynski confirmed the fact 'that during the war there was not one single Polish priest who did not fight against the Germans with a weapon in his hand.' The war lasted only three short weeks, the German occupation lasted several years. This explains the extraordinary high number of priest-partisans who even were joined by bishops. Further back in history, we find that the Archbishop of Gnesen, around the turn of the 13th century, had the habit of calling the Germans 'dog heads'. He criticized a bishop from Brixen that he would have preached excellently, had he not been a dog-head and a German.


    So you see, many of these so called priests were no angels.
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco


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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #35 on: July 13, 2017, 02:41:03 AM »
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  • Why is Kolbe's actions so hard to believe?

    A leading role in forging the public view in Poland is that of Church clergy there. To read what they taught her followers in Poland is truly blood-curdling. In 1922 the Polish Canon of Posen, prelate Kos, recited a song of hate which he had borrowed from a 1902 drama by Lucjan Rydel, "Jency" (The Prisoners): "Where the German sets down his foot, the earth bleeds for 100 years. Where the German carries water and drinks, wells are foul for 100 years. Where the German breathes, the plague rages for 100 years. Where the German shakes hands, peace breaks down. He cheats the strong, he robs and dominates the weak, and if there were a path leading straight to Heaven, he wouldn't hesitate to dethrone God Himself. And we would even see the German steal the sun from the sky." This is by no means a single, individual case. On August 26th, 1920, the Polish pastor in Adelnau said in a speech: "All Germans residing in Poland ought to be hanged." And another Polish proverb: "Zdechly Niemiec, zdechly pies, mala to roznica jest" - "A croaked German, is a croaked dog, is just a small difference"

    Here is the text of another Polish-Catholic war song which was sung in 1848 at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague:

    "Brothers, take up your scythes! Let us hurry to war!
    Poland's oppression is over, we shall tarry no more.
    Gather hordes about yourselves. Our enemy, the German, shall fall!
    Loot and rob and burn! Let the enemies die a painful death.
    He that hangs the German dogs will gain God's reward.
    I, the provost, promise you shall attain Heaven for it.
    Every sin will be forgiven, even well-planned murder,
    If it promotes Polish freedom everywhere.
    But curses on the evil one who dares speak well of Germany to us.
    Poland shall and must survive. The Pope and God have promised it.
    Russia and Prussia must fall. Hail the Polish banner!
    So rejoice ye all: Polzka zyje, great and small!"

    Not only did some of the priests excel in rhetoric aimed at cultivating deadly hate against Germans during the pre-1939 years, they also prayed in their churches, "O wielk wojn ludów prosimy Cie, Panie! (We pray to you for the great War of Peoples, oh Lord!)"

    Sadly, they actively participated in murdering unsuspecting German soldiers. Cardinal Wyszynski confirmed the fact 'that during the war there was not one single Polish priest who did not fight against the Germans with a weapon in his hand.' The war lasted only three short weeks, the German occupation lasted several years. This explains the extraordinary high number of priest-partisans who even were joined by bishops. Further back in history, we find that the Archbishop of Gnesen, around the turn of the 13th century, had the habit of calling the Germans 'dog heads'. He criticized a bishop from Brixen that he would have preached excellently, had he not been a dog-head and a German.


    So you see, many of these so called priests were no angels.
    You mean unsuspecting German soldiers as they were invading their country? 

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #36 on: July 13, 2017, 08:11:16 AM »
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    Cardinal Wyszynski confirmed the fact 'that during the war there was not one single Polish priest who did not fight against the Germans with a weapon in his hand.'
    That is because they were Poles before they were priests.  The poles have for the most part, always been a  quarrelsome population of people with an inflated view of their own power and importance.  It is well established that they wanted war with Germany and having been given false assurances by Churchill and the "allies", they fully believed that they could defeat the Germans. At the time of the invasion, the Poles were systematically abusing and murdering the German populations within their own borders. Poland also had many many Jewish communists who were involved in undermining Germany and as a practical matter Germany did not want the bolsheviks coming in through the Polish back door. History proved them right, as these Jews welcomed the communists into Poland with open arms and enthusiastically took part in the unjust and violent treatment of Germans after the war. This has continued to the present. Catholics, ethnic Germans, and Christians are still their victims today.

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #37 on: July 13, 2017, 11:23:47 PM »
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  • That is because they were Poles before they were priests.  The poles have for the most part, always been a  quarrelsome population of people with an inflated view of their own power and importance.  It is well established that they wanted war with Germany and having been given false assurances by Churchill and the "allies", they fully believed that they could defeat the Germans. At the time of the invasion, the Poles were systematically abusing and murdering the German populations within their own borders. Poland also had many many Jewish communists who were involved in undermining Germany and as a practical matter Germany did not want the bolsheviks coming in through the Polish back door. History proved them right, as these Jews welcomed the communists into Poland with open arms and enthusiastically took part in the unjust and violent treatment of Germans after the war. This has continued to the present. Catholics, ethnic Germans, and Christians are still their victims today.
    It was Germany that attacked Poland.


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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #38 on: July 18, 2017, 01:46:10 PM »
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  • It was Germany that attacked Poland.
    Germany entered into the land that belonged to them that was ripped away from them by the odious scoundrels at the Versailles Treaty. 
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #39 on: July 18, 2017, 08:37:07 PM »
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  • Germany made numerous efforts to negotiate a passage and access to the ethnic German areas which were unjustly given to Poland at Versailles which treaty by the way, was largely a Jewish creation and which contained punitive and illegal provisions which were insisted upon by the very over represented Jews at Versailles. One might ask, what were they doing even being present in such negotiations let alone having great influence over them, and very much to the detriment of the German people who then had to live under their tyranny and depravity for decades.
    Poland wanted war with Germany, they made no secret of this, and were arming themselves to attack Germany with the help of the British and the western powers.

    You need to stop repeating the narratives of the so called historical experts, and do some authentic research which comports with the truth and not with fables. These are the same sources that for decades stated as fact that Germany massacred the Poles in Katyin. It is now known that it was perpetrated by the mostly Jewish Bolsheviks and blamed on the Germans.

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #40 on: July 19, 2017, 12:50:43 AM »
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  • Germany entered into the land that belonged to them that was ripped away from them by the odious scoundrels at the Versailles Treaty.
    It was Poland at one time before there was a "German" nation. Which incidently was divided between Prussia, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Russia. Why should Poland not exist. In any event Hitler was no friend of Catholic tradition.  


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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #41 on: July 19, 2017, 12:53:00 AM »
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  • Germany made numerous efforts to negotiate a passage and access to the ethnic German areas which were unjustly given to Poland at Versailles which treaty by the way, was largely a Jewish creation and which contained punitive and illegal provisions which were insisted upon by the very over represented Jews at Versailles. One might ask, what were they doing even being present in such negotiations let alone having great influence over them, and very much to the detriment of the German people who then had to live under their tyranny and depravity for decades.
    Poland wanted war with Germany, they made no secret of this, and were arming themselves to attack Germany with the help of the British and the western powers.

    You need to stop repeating the narratives of the so called historical experts, and do some authentic research which comports with the truth and not with fables. These are the same sources that for decades stated as fact that Germany massacred the Poles in Katyin. It is now known that it was perpetrated by the mostly Jewish Bolsheviks and blamed on the Germans.
    Maximillian Kolbe ws not the only publisher to refuse to pring Nazi propaganda. I the Netherlands Titus Brandsma also was arrested and died in prison for the crime of reminding the Catholic publications that they could not print nazi propaganda and call themselves Catholic.  

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #42 on: July 19, 2017, 11:29:32 PM »
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  • It was Poland at one time before there was a "German" nation. Which incidently was divided between Prussia, the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Russia. Why should Poland not exist. In any event Hitler was no friend of Catholic tradition.  
    There was a Poland, but not as understood by the pre-WWI borders. In the mid 19th century, the areas you mention spoke German as Poles. As I demonstrated, the Polish clerics and lay people were no friends of Catholic tradition either. 
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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #43 on: July 19, 2017, 11:31:40 PM »
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  • Maximillian Kolbe ws not the only publisher to refuse to pring Nazi propaganda. I the Netherlands Titus Brandsma also was arrested and died in prison for the crime of reminding the Catholic publications that they could not print nazi propaganda and call themselves Catholic.  
    I don't know what this has to do with the issue mentioned. Who cares whether he refused. 
    You seem to have a difficult time understanding real history. I suggest you take JPaul's advice. 
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #44 on: July 20, 2017, 02:12:51 AM »
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  • There was a Poland, but not as understood by the pre-WWI borders. In the mid 19th century, the areas you mention spoke German as Poles. As I demonstrated, the Polish clerics and lay people were no friends of Catholic tradition either.
    Not everybody was happy with being the subject peoples of an occupying hostile force. They were ruled by Protestant Germans and Orthodox Russians. In the mid 19th century there were revolts of the Poles looking for their own national independence.

     

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