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Catholics and Hitler
« on: February 09, 2017, 11:48:32 PM »
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  • Back in October of 2016, I praised and recommended Mark Riebling’s brilliant and exciting book, Church of Spies: The Pope’s Secret War against Hitler. Riebling focused almost exclusively on the relationship between the Vatican and the network of those within Germany who were seeking to replace Adolph Hitler and establish a government oriented toward the common good. This network relied heavily on Catholic priests, religious and lay people. Planning was highly influenced by Pius XII and Catholic social teaching.

    Important as Church of Spies is, it was not part of its purpose to cover the entire range of Catholic resistance to Hitler in all the regions controlled by the Third Reich, including (for example) the widespread efforts of Catholics to hide Jews, protect them, and get them to safety. There was even a Catholic youth group which yielded up its own martyrs through its determined opposition to the government-sponsored Hitler Youth movement. All of this, and much more, is the subject of a new book by Peter Bartley, Catholics Confronting Hitler, published by Ignatius.

    Subtitled “The Catholic Church and the Nazis”, Bartley’s book covers not only papal initiatives but the Catholic response to Hitler in Poland and the Western European regions occupied by the Germans, along with the efforts to rescue the Jews of Central and Eastern Europe. Other important chapters cover occupied Rome, the problems faced by Vatican diplomacy, and the many kinds of heroic opposition to Hitler within Germany itself. Key names from Riebling’s narrative appear again here, but Bartley unveils the full scope of Catholic resistance, from top to bottom, in each affected region: France, Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Slovakia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece and Hungary.

    Catholics Confronting Hitler, while not the personal adventure story made possible by Mark Riebling’s highly-focused account of the particular people involved in the Catholic spy network, still manages to be dramatic in its own right. The stakes are so high, and the chronicle of Catholic resistance so clear and specific, that the reader finds himself cheering on those brave souls. At the same time, there is no doubt that the research is genuine: Bartley includes a bibliography of over 150 primary and secondary sources to back up his claims, and strategic footnotes are provided to let the reader know what information came from which sources. There is also a highly useful index.

    This comprehensive account is a testament to widespread heroism on the part of Catholics and other Christians. Anyone who reads both Church of Spies and Catholics Confronting Hitler will realize that the ghost of “Hitler’s Pope” has been completely exorcized. The role played by the Catholic Church—the pope, cardinals, bishops, priests, religious and laity—in protecting Jews and resisting Hitler in countless ways is now proven to be exactly what everyone on the scene (including Hitler) knew it to be in the 1940s—and nothing like the myth which the sycophants of a newly secular culture invented once the realities had faded from memory.

    As Bartley concludes:

    Alas, the truth is often obscured by an atmosphere of prejudice and hate for Rome…[but] Catholics need have no doubts…. Rather, they have every reason to feel proud. Two reigning popes and three future popes in significant ways offered resistance to Hitler. The facts are well-attested. Wherever Nazism held sway, it found an unrelenting foe in the pope and the Catholic Church. [p. 258]
    Now, unfortunately, too much of what was considered horrific in the 1940s has become commonplace. Contemporary culture is very forward in its own sacrifices to Ba’al. May Catholics find a similar courage and determination today.

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 12:24:05 PM »
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  • Catholics should have doubts, but doubts about the commonly accepted WWII narrative.

    When the narrative is debunked, what is there that is left? 


    The factions of liberals vs conservatives in the Church was in full swing well before WWII. Pius XI fully supported the ascendency of Hitler because he knew that National Socialism was the best chance in stopping the spread of Marxism. Pacelli was working against Pius XI's efforts because he leaned left. In 1938, after being elected, he started to undo what Pius XI had done. The evidence of Mit brennender Sorge was really the effort of Pacelli is supported by accounts from Cardinal Siri. There is alot of evidence by many sources that suggest that the letter read was not a genuine Apostolic letter and was an effort from the Communist faction within the Church to aid the Communist parties within Europe as the NSDAP was the only obstacle that was left to stop Marxism from sweeping all over the continent. In other words, the letter was a "psyop". 

    Leon Degrelle, who started the Rexist movement in Belgium, described by modern secular "historians" as a 'ultra orthodox' Catholic movement defended Hitler and the NSDAP to the end. His movement was about Christ being front in center in government, an idea very much supported by Hitler. Degrelle fled into exile in Spain after the war, protected by Franco, as they were close friends and shared many of the same views. Degrelle died in 1994, always exclusively attending the Tridentine Mass and rejecting the novus ordo mass and Vatican 2.

    Degrelle and many others who were there during the war shed a very different and much more trustworthy insight to the struggle for power in Europe and the corruption within the Church that eventually aided the Marxists to achieve victory. This of course helped pave the the way for the revolution in the Church to reach it's own 'springtime' with Vatican II.


    To truly understand WWII, one must truly understand WWI and the events leading up to it and the events that lead to WWII. They are both really 2 chapters to the same narrative: the concerted efforts of both the capitalist West and the Marxists to destroy old Europe, with the Zionist Jews and their Masonic cohorts (the willing goy) behind every step of the way. We are seeing the final stages unfold as we see with the immigrant/'refugee' invasion in Europe and starting here in America. 

    The victors write the history and are never asked if they told the truth.




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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 01:06:39 PM »
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  • Catholics should have doubts, but doubts about the commonly accepted WWII narrative.

    When the narrative is debunked, what is there that is left?


    The factions of liberals vs conservatives in the Church was in full swing well before WWII. Pius XI fully supported the ascendency of Hitler because he knew that National Socialism was the best chance in stopping the spread of Marxism. Pacelli was working against Pius XI's efforts because he leaned left. In 1938, after being elected, he started to undo what Pius XI had done. The evidence of Mit brennender Sorge was really the effort of Pacelli is supported by accounts from Cardinal Siri. There is alot of evidence by many sources that suggest that the letter read was not a genuine Apostolic letter and was an effort from the Communist faction within the Church to aid the Communist parties within Europe as the NSDAP was the only obstacle that was left to stop Marxism from sweeping all over the continent. In other words, the letter was a "psyop".

    Leon Degrelle, who started the Rexist movement in Belgium, described by modern secular "historians" as a 'ultra orthodox' Catholic movement defended Hitler and the NSDAP to the end. His movement was about Christ being front in center in government, an idea very much supported by Hitler. Degrelle fled into exile in Spain after the war, protected by Franco, as they were close friends and shared many of the same views. Degrelle died in 1994, always exclusively attending the Tridentine Mass and rejecting the novus ordo mass and Vatican 2.

    Degrelle and many others who were there during the war shed a very different and much more trustworthy insight to the struggle for power in Europe and the corruption within the Church that eventually aided the Marxists to achieve victory. This of course helped pave the the way for the revolution in the Church to reach it's own 'springtime' with Vatican II.


    To truly understand WWII, one must truly understand WWI and the events leading up to it and the events that lead to WWII. They are both really 2 chapters to the same narrative: the concerted efforts of both the capitalist West and the Marxists to destroy old Europe, with the Zionist Jews and their Masonic cohorts (the willing goy) behind every step of the way. We are seeing the final stages unfold as we see with the immigrant/'refugee' invasion in Europe and starting here in America.

    The victors write the history and are never asked if they told the truth.
    A) Then explain Mit Brennender Sorge - Pope Pius XI's letter condemning National Socialism?

    B) Hans Kerrl, a minister in the Hitler government said this about Catholicism, which is effectively apostasy: "Dr Zoellner and [Catholic Bishop of Münster] Count Galen have tried to make clear to me that Christianity consists in faith in Christ as the son of God. That makes me laugh... No, Christianity is not dependent upon the Apostle's Creed... True Christianity is represented by the party, and the German people are now called by the party and especially the Fuehrer to a real Christianity... the Fuehrer is the herald of a new revelation". 

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #3 on: June 27, 2017, 12:55:31 PM »
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  • “Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory.”-Franco


    Mit Brennender Sorge was acknowledged by Cardinal Siri, and others, to be written, in part at least, by Pacelli. It was highly unusual for an Apostolic letter to be written in a non Latin language, and smuggled in at that. In my research of events surrounding the letter, I find it highly dubious. 


    Pius XI worked to ensure, for his part, that the NSDAP came to power to stop the Bolsheviks. It was Europe's best hope, politically, to stop the spread of Marxism. Pius XI read Mein Kampf and Hitler spoke openly in public and said things about the Jews that many Catholic canonized saints themselves have said. 


    In regards to the German official you cited, he was a Protestant. Just go to straight to what Hitler himself said than a government minister who put his own spin on what National Socialism was/is.

    "Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past (few) years."

    - Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872


    "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

    - Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941


    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #4 on: June 27, 2017, 01:09:46 PM »
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  • 1. Hitler was not a saint, not even a venerable or worthy of veneration. The evidence points to his Nazi party being more neo-pagan than anything resembling Christian.

    2. Hitler should not be a parable for evil incarnate, as he is today. When people reach in their minds for an example of the greatest evil, Hitler usually comes up first. This is foolish, as whatever evil Hitler did was vastly overshadowed by DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of actual tyrants throughout history. Starting with Stalin and Mao-Tse Tung from his own 20th Century.

    Nazis are to Communists as human beings are to devils. Nazism is from men, Communism is diabolical.

    3. Six million Jews did not perish in "death camps". There were no death camps (there were only internment or work camps), the Jews and others who were inmates there were paid in scrip which could be used to buy all kinds of luxury goods, including prostitutes. Each work camp had its own scrip which it printed and used as money in the camp. Evidence of this concentration camp scrip (local money) exists to this day.

    The evidence for the so-called Holocaust ("six million Jews systematically killed in death camps") being a hoax is legion. Even their own story doesn't hold together. Why would each Jew be given a permanent tattoo upon entering, if they were just going to be gassed a few days or weeks later? Sounds like a ridiculous waste of effort and manpower. Germans aren't that inefficient or wasteful. The Jews were also caught trying the "6 million" lie around World War ONE, but it failed. And archaeologists have tried testing the various concentration camp sites for evidence of mass graves, gassing of people, etc. (which, scientifically they WOULD find if the Holohoax were true) but they always come up negative. So it's all a filthy lie.

    4. As Hitler's evil is exaggerated, the evil of the Communists is minimized to almost nothing. But read about what happened to the German women when the Communists came in -- including horrible mass-rapes. Never forget that Communism is straight from Hell, being the devil's religion. I would describe the Nazi "National Socialism" party more as a religion of MAN. That would seem to be accurate, and the facts verify this. Communists carried out blood-baths of millions of innocent people; the Nazis never did anything like this.

    5. Hitler failed (and fell) because he didn't rely on God, but instead gloried in his own strength, and the natural strengths of his race. That is why God didn't bless his endeavor, which might have been praiseworthy on paper (I'm speaking of his endeavor to get Germany independent from Jewish control, including the International Bankers).
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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #5 on: June 27, 2017, 05:31:52 PM »
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  • Matthew, I agree with most of what you have stated. I will only say this in addition to your comments.

    "The evidence points to his Nazi party being more neo-pagan than anything resembling Christian."


    This is a "Thule Society" myth designed to detract from the NSDAP by it's enemies. Even if the canard were true, there are no more "pagan" elements than what the Church has "baptized" from the Teutonic people that we observe in Christmas. 

    Keep in mind that the "Swastika" was a symbol Hitler lifted from the cathedral at Passau that he attended. Many of the SS unit symbols were taken from churches throughout Germany. I have seen this with my own eyes in my travels there.


    In addition, the NSDAP closed down the Masonic lodges wherever they could and persecuted them and to that I say, bravo.



    I don't believe Hitler failed because he did not to receive God's blessing any more than He allowed Catholic France to fall to the Masonic forces of evil because the monarchy did not have His blessing. WWII was just a continuation of what began in the 18th century: the continued fall of Christendom. God has allowed that to happen, for many reasons I suspect, but one of which would possibly be the failure of the popes to consecrate Russia as requested at Fatima. Hitler had no control over that. Had Pius XI or Pius XII carried out the request, perhaps victory would have been granted. 

    Dennis Wise's documentary (The Greatest Story Never Told) is essential viewing on this subject. His father was Croatian, fought for Hitler and they both are trad Catholics.
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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #6 on: June 28, 2017, 02:24:21 AM »
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  • “Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory.”-Franco

    Franco had an interest in praising Hitler. His government helped Jews to escape from Hitler. If Hitler was such a great son of the Catholic Church then why is it that the largest cemetery for priests is at Dachau? 

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  • Mit Brennender Sorge was acknowledged by Cardinal Siri, and others, to be written, in part at least, by Pacelli. It was highly unusual for an Apostolic letter to be written in a non Latin language, and smuggled in at that. In my research of events surrounding the letter, I find it highly dubious. 

    The reason that It was smuggled was because the German government would never have allowed it to be read if they knew of its contents. 


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  • Matthew, I agree with most of what you have stated. I will only say this in addition to your comments.....
    No, there is nothing to add to what Mathew said, it is perfect, it is all there, I agree 100% with what he wrote.

    For me to extol Hitler, he would have had to go into France, Russia, Poland and all the other countries to remove the communists and install real Catholics or at least anti-communist governments (it takes time to convert people to the true faith, it can't be forced). Did he do that in Poland, the Ukraine.....? No!

    Poland stands as the perfect testament of what Matthew wrote, a Catholic country annihilated by BOTH Hitler and Stalin.
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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 12:45:34 PM »
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  • No, there is nothing to add to what Mathew said, it is perfect, it is all there, I agree 100% with what he wrote.

    For me to extol Hitler, he would have had to go into France, Russia, Poland and all the other countries to remove the communists and install real Catholics or at least anti-communist governments (it takes time to convert people to the true faith, it can't be forced). Did he do that in Poland, the Ukraine.....? No!

    Poland stands as the perfect testament of what Matthew wrote, a Catholic country annihilated by BOTH Hitler and Stalin.
     
    Let's consider the Poles attitudes towards the Germans that has existed for centuries and how many Catholics acted there towards the Germans. BTW, making a blanket statement about an entire country's Catholicity is absurd.

    "Póki swiat swiatem, Polak Niemcowi nie bedzie bratem." This is a Polish proverb, and translated into English it means: "As long as the world will exist, the Pole will never be the German's brother."

    In 1990, the then Polish Prime Minister Lech Walesa made his feelings towards his German neighbors publicly known: "I do not even shrink from a statement that is not going to make me popular in Germany: if the Germans destabilize Europe anew, in some way or other, then partition is no longer what will have to be resorted to, but rather that country will have to be erased from the map, pure and simple. East and West have at their disposal the advanced technology necessary to carry this verdict out."

    Many years before the differences between Germany and Poland escalated to the point of no return, numerous diplomatic efforts were made by the German government to defuse the ever more dangerous situation the two countries were facing. These efforts were all rejected by Poland. One of them comes to mind: on January 6th, 1939, the German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop met with the Polish Foreign Minister Josef Beck in Munich to discuss the differences between the two countries. Von Ribbentrop proposed "the following solution: the return of Danzig to Germany. In return, all of Poland's economic interests in this region would be guaranteed, and most generously at that. Germany would be given access to her province of East Prussia by means of an extraterritorial highway and rail line. In return, Germany would guarantee the Corridor and the entire Polish status, in other words, a final and permanent recognition of each nation's borders." Beck replied: "For the first time I am pessimistic..." Particularly in the matter of Danzig I see 'no possibility of cooperation.'"

    A leading role in forging the public view in Poland is that of Church clergy there. To read what they taught her followers in Poland is truly blood-curdling. In 1922 the Polish Canon of Posen, prelate Kos, recited a song of hate which he had borrowed from a 1902 drama by Lucjan Rydel, "Jency" (The Prisoners): "Where the German sets down his foot, the earth bleeds for 100 years. Where the German carries water and drinks, wells are foul for 100 years. Where the German breathes, the plague rages for 100 years. Where the German shakes hands, peace breaks down. He cheats the strong, he robs and dominates the weak, and if there were a path leading straight to Heaven, he wouldn't hesitate to dethrone God Himself. And we would even see the German steal the sun from the sky." This is by no means a single, individual case. On August 26th, 1920, the Polish pastor in Adelnau said in a speech: "All Germans residing in Poland ought to be hanged." And another Polish proverb: "Zdechly Niemiec, zdechly pies, mala to roznica jest" - "A croaked German, is a croaked dog, is just a small difference"

    Here is the text of another Polish-Catholic war song which was sung in 1848 at the Pan-Slavic Congress in Prague:

    "Brothers, take up your scythes! Let us hurry to war!
    Poland's oppression is over, we shall tarry no more.
    Gather hordes about yourselves. Our enemy, the German, shall fall!
    Loot and rob and burn! Let the enemies die a painful death.
    He that hangs the German dogs will gain God's reward.
    I, the provost, promise you shall attain Heaven for it.
    Every sin will be forgiven, even well-planned murder,
    If it promotes Polish freedom everywhere.
    But curses on the evil one who dares speak well of Germany to us.
    Poland shall and must survive. The Pope and God have promised it.
    Russia and Prussia must fall. Hail the Polish banner!
    So rejoice ye all: Polzka zyje, great and small!"

    Not only did some of the priests excel in rhetoric aimed at cultivating deadly hate against Germans during the pre-1939 years, they also prayed in their churches, "O wielk wojn ludów prosimy Cie, Panie! (We pray to you for the great War of Peoples, oh Lord!)"

    Sadly, they actively participated in murdering unsuspecting German soldiers. Cardinal Wyszynski confirmed the fact 'that during the war there was not one single Polish priest who did not fight against the Germans with a weapon in his hand.' The war lasted only three short weeks, the German occupation lasted several years. This explains the extraordinary high number of priest-partisans who even were joined by bishops. Further back in history, we find that the Archbishop of Gnesen, around the turn of the 13th century, had the habit of calling the Germans 'dog heads'. He criticized a bishop from Brixen that he would have preached excellently, had he not been a dog-head and a German.

    What can one say of the hate that speaks from the pages of one of the more popular papers, the largest Polish newspaper Ilustrowany Kurjer Codzienny, which appeared on April 20th, 1929, in Cracow? "Away with the Germans behind their natural border! Let's get rid of them behind the Oder!" "Silesian Oppeln is Polish to the core; just as all of Silesia and all of Pomerania were Polish before the German onslaught!"

    "To absorb all of East Prussia into Poland and to extend our western borders to the Oder and Neisse rivers, that is our goal. It is within reach, and at this moment it is the Polish people's great mission. Our war against Germany will make the world pause in amazement."

    "There will be no peace in Europe until all Polish lands shall have been restored completely to Poland, until the name Prussia, being that of a people long since gone, shall have been wiped from the map of Europe, and until the Germans have moved their capital Berlin farther westwards."

    On October 1923, Stanislaus Grabski, who later was to become Minister of Public Worship and Instruction, announced: "We want to base our relations on love, but there is one kind of love for one's own people and another kind for strangers. Their percentage is decidedly too high here. Posen [which had been given to Poland after the First World War] can show us one way to reduce that percentage from 14% or even 20% to 1½%. The foreign element will have to see if it would not be better off elsewhere. The Polish land is exclusively for the Poles!"

     "(The Germans in Poland) are intelligent enough to realize that in the event of war no enemy on Polish soil will get away alive... The Führer is far away, but the Polish soldiers are close, and in the woods there is no shortage of branches."

    "We are ready to make a pact with the devil if he will help us in the battle against Germany. Hear - against Germany, not just against Hitler. In an upcoming war, German blood will be spilled in rivers such as all of world history has never seen before."

    "Poland's decision of August 30, 1939 that was the basis for general mobilization marked a turning point in the history of Europe. It forced Hitler to wage war at a time when he hoped to gain further unbloody victories."

    Heinz Splittgerber, in his short book Unkenntnis oder Infamie?, quotes a number of Polish sources which reflect the atmosphere in Poland immediately before the hostilities commenced. On August 7th, 1939 the Ilustrowany Kurjer featured an article "which described with provocative effrontery how military units were continually foraying across the border into German territory in order to destroy military installations and to take weapons and tools of the German Wehrmacht back to Poland. Most Polish diplomats and politicians understood that Poland's actions would perforce lead to war. Foreign Minister Beck... tenaciously pursued the bloodthirsty plan of plunging Europe into another great war, since it would presumably result in territorial gains for Poland." He goes on to cite some 14 incidents where Polish soldiers aggressively crossed the border, destroying houses, shooting and killing German farmers and customs officers. One of them: "August 29th: "State Police Offices in Elbing, Köslin and Breslau, Main Customs Office in Beuthen and Gleiwitz: Polish soldiers invade Reich German territory, attack against German customs house, shots taken at German customs officials, Polish machine guns stationed on Reich German territory."

    These and many more are the things one must take into account before making the fallacious accusation that Germany was the one to have started WW2, or the Poles were innocent and did nothing to deserve the invasion. The following and preceding quotations are added here to show that not only Poland was bent on war against Germany, but also her ally Great Britain (and France). Although it is still widely believed that Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain on September 29th, 1938 (Munich) honestly tried for peace, one has to consider the possibility that his real goals were somewhat different. Only five months later, on February 22nd, 1939, he let the cat out of the bag when he said in Blackburn: "... During the past two days we have discussed the progress of our arms build-up. The figures are indeed overwhelming, perhaps even to such an extent that the people are no longer able even to comprehend them.... Ships, cannons, planes and ammunition are now pouring out of our dock yards and factories in an ever-increasing torrent..."


    The US was supplying the USSR before the war. Why? The Germans, on paper, had an numerically inferior force compared to the Poles, yet rolled up on them despite the Poles being prepared. I'm pretty sure the Soviets would've rolled up on them as well. Poland was a sacrificial lamb for the UK and France so they could get into a war with Germany. 

    Germany did not "invade Poland". They entered land that was theirs, ripped away unjustly by the Masonic henchmen and handed over to a willing Poland. When the UK and France declared war, it was then that Germany pressed further into Poland, which was a strategic necessity as the USSR was going to invade from the East.

    You really should read what the Poles were doing behind the scenes in the post WWI carving up of Europe. Blood was very much on their hands.
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  • Mit Brennender Sorge was acknowledged by Cardinal Siri, and others, to be written, in part at least, by Pacelli. It was highly unusual for an Apostolic letter to be written in a non Latin language, and smuggled in at that. In my research of events surrounding the letter, I find it highly dubious.

    The reason that It was smuggled was because the German government would never have allowed it to be read if they knew of its contents.
    This is an overly simplistic observation. The Church clergy was full of Communist sympathizers, and this dubious letter was designed to aid the Marxists. Priests that were placed in camps were sent there because they were political dissidents. There were priests taking active roles in plotting against the NSDAP because they themselves were Communists. Dirty facts, but facts nevertheless. There many, many clerics who favored the NSDAP because they recognized the threat of the Bolsheviks.
    Pius XII was secretly giving the Allies troop movements of the Germans & Italians, as well as other Axis military intelligence information early in the war. Hardly a neutral observer, especially considering the fact many of the leaders of the Allies were high ranking Masons, and Pacelli knew this and their agenda. 
    As has happened so many times in Church history, intrigue and subterfuge abounds. 
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    « Reply #11 on: June 28, 2017, 01:04:49 PM »
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  • “Adolf Hitler, son of the Catholic Church, died while defending Christianity. It is therefore understandable that words cannot be found to lament over his death, when so many were found to exalt his life. Over his mortal remains stands his victorious moral figure. With the palm of the martyr, God gives Hitler the laurels of Victory.”-Franco

    Franco had an interest in praising Hitler. His government helped Jews to escape from Hitler. If Hitler was such a great son of the Catholic Church then why is it that the largest cemetery for priests is at Dachau?
    Priests died just like many others. They were not systematically killed. Many in these camps died at the hands of the Allied carpet bombing that cut off food and medicine. Most that died in these camps was due to typhoid and other diseases.  
    Dachau was first presented by the Allies as a place that the Germans turned Jewish persons dead bodies skin into lampshades, boiled Jewish bodies to extract the fat to make soap, and showed shrunken heads to others as proof of German "atrocities". This has all been debunked as lies, even admitted by Jews themselves.
    Lies have been told to demonize Germans, and discourage others to rise up against the Jewish/Masonic/Marxist agenda. They have done there job, unfortunately, very well. 
    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #12 on: June 28, 2017, 01:36:05 PM »
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  •   Did he do that in Poland, the Ukraine.....? No!

     
    One more thing.

    When the Germans arrived in the Ukraine, one of the first orders given was the reopening of all the churches that the Bolsheviks had closed. Leon Degrelle, who served on the Eastern Front, gives an account of this in his memoirs.

    "The whole secret of the campaigns unleashed against Europe can be explained in two words: Masonry and Communism... we have to extirpate these two evils from our land." -Franco

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #13 on: June 28, 2017, 04:38:06 PM »
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  • Since there are no longer any Nazi's around, the Jews and their patsies in the press are playing up the whole "Pope Pius XII is just as guilty as the Nazi's" not because the Jews want justice but because they are looking for deep pockets to pick. 

    This whole tactic is par for the course because the Catholic Church has stood up to 2,000 years of Jewish hatred.

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    Re: Catholics and Hitler
    « Reply #14 on: June 30, 2017, 12:18:07 AM »
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  • This is an overly simplistic observation. The Church clergy was full of Communist sympathizers, and this dubious letter was designed to aid the Marxists. Priests that were placed in camps were sent there because they were political dissidents. There were priests taking active roles in plotting against the NSDAP because they themselves were Communists. Dirty facts, but facts nevertheless. There many, many clerics who favored the NSDAP because they recognized the threat of the Bolsheviks.
    Pius XII was secretly giving the Allies troop movements of the Germans & Italians, as well as other Axis military intelligence information early in the war. Hardly a neutral observer, especially considering the fact many of the leaders of the Allies were high ranking Masons, and Pacelli knew this and their agenda.
    As has happened so many times in Church history, intrigue and subterfuge abounds.
    This letter was written by Pope Pius XI. The truths it contains are universal and don't just apply to the Germans. They apply to us today.    

     

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