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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #135 on: September 30, 2022, 11:58:12 AM »
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  • I purchased a hardcover copy of Dominion: The Nature of Diabolic Warfare

    I should have it within 3 weeks.

    Seems to be a print on demand title.

    I am particularly interested in going through Chapter 4: Structure of Authority.
    That chapter is where you'll see why I accept Laymen can pray the prayers in question with an understanding of what one's limits of authority are. And you'll also see an in depth explanation of Ripperger's conclusions.
     
    You may disagree with him, or will agree, but at least you will see why he has reached his conclusion. 

    I'm looking forward to your thoughts on it. 
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #136 on: September 30, 2022, 12:02:17 PM »
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  • Having read Dominion, I continue to work through "The Introduction to the Science of Mental Health." Much to digest but definitely worth it.
    What are your thoughts on the chapter  Structure of Authority ?
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #137 on: September 30, 2022, 12:24:40 PM »
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  • Those images were an example and I said they were from the Chapter of Angelology.

    Still waiting for proof of your allegation that Ripperger's exhortation for the laity to perform exorcisms is Traditional.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #138 on: September 30, 2022, 12:27:20 PM »
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  • What are your thoughts on the chapter  Structure of Authority ?
    Firstly, I find it very logical. It clearly shows the boundaries wherein the devil and his demons can act, and how the authority structure is important on how to fight the diabolic. It is good to have laid out the traditional structure of the family, to show a)the right order within the family unit and b) how that will further elucidate the daily means of spiritual combat.

    As for Father Ripperger, there are indeed problem areas. One major one is his association with the Novus Ordo Mass. He could not criticize it while he was in the FSSP and that lack carries into his present ministry. The increased lack of efficacy of exorcisms has to be tied in with ongoing celebration of the Bogus NoNo by exorcists. Despite the solid philosophy and theology in the texts Dominion and the one on mental health, how one can logically remain in the conciliar church is a bit baffling. That the ecclesial structure of authority was destroyed in Vatican II would explain if nothing else how the demonic has been given the power over society and the structures of the conciliar church.

    I take the good from Father R's texts, and through judicious discernment - as I have received formal philosophical and theological education - question the remainder to see if it be ill or no.:cowboy:
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #139 on: September 30, 2022, 01:29:25 PM »
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  • As for Father Ripperger, there are indeed problem areas. One major one is his association with the Novus Ordo Mass. He could not criticize it while he was in the FSSP and that lack carries into his present ministry. The increased lack of efficacy of exorcisms has to be tied in with ongoing celebration of the Bogus NoNo by exorcists.

    Yes.  I recall one talk he gave about the various demonic attacks on Traditional Catholics, and he was very close to saying that to criticize the Novus Ordo and their Modernism and Modernistic practices is a sin/fault that the demons entice Catholics into.  I'll have to look that up again at some point.  He's not wrong that there could be temptations to pride or being "holier than though," a Pharisaical condescension toward Novus Ordites, but there's an incredibly fine line there between that and legitimate criticisms of the Conciliar Church.  I imagine that he would consider it diabolical to break from the Conciliar Church and become associated with SSPX or, even worse (in his mind), sedevacantists.


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #140 on: September 30, 2022, 01:32:54 PM »
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #141 on: September 30, 2022, 02:01:38 PM »
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  • From that sermon:


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    What's a generational spirit? It's one in which, if parents commit particular kinds of sins, they open the door to demons inserting themselves into their family life, and it gets passed from generation to generation.


    If you didn't know where this quote came from, and you were asked if it more likely came from St. Alphonsus or from a Harry Potter novel, which would you think was more likely, apart from how it contains the word "sin"?

    And at the risk of wasting my breath, can anyone find the term "generational spirit" in any book before Vatican 2?

    There are a lot of really odd things in that sermon just from a cursory listen; in fact, almost everything I heard in there was strange. He condemns trads for looking down on people who go to the Novus Ordo. While we certainly shouldn't look down on anyone, and should accept anything we have as coming from God, his condemnation of this implies that there's nothing wrong with going to the Novus Ordo, which is outrageous.

    Another odd thing he says is that trads are plagued by the sin of impurity. While everyone is certainly plagued with this sin, trads are the only group in the world that actually do practice the virtue of purity to a large extent, and certainly far more than any other demographic in existence, including Novus Ordo adherents. It's like condemning Quakers for being belligerent, or Mormons for being drunks, or Muslims for being rationalists. The criticism is false and absurd.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #142 on: September 30, 2022, 02:26:26 PM »
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  • Firstly, I find it very logical. It clearly shows the boundaries wherein the devil and his demons can act, and how the authority structure is important on how to fight the diabolic. It is good to have laid out the traditional structure of the family, to show a)the right order within the family unit and b) how that will further elucidate the daily means of spiritual combat.

    As for Father Ripperger, there are indeed problem areas. One major one is his association with the Novus Ordo Mass. He could not criticize it while he was in the FSSP and that lack carries into his present ministry. The increased lack of efficacy of exorcisms has to be tied in with ongoing celebration of the Bogus NoNo by exorcists. Despite the solid philosophy and theology in the texts Dominion and the one on mental health, how one can logically remain in the conciliar church is a bit baffling. That the ecclesial structure of authority was destroyed in Vatican II would explain if nothing else how the demonic has been given the power over society and the structures of the conciliar church.

    I take the good from Father R's texts, and through judicious discernment - as I have received formal philosophical and theological education - question the remainder to see if it be ill or no.:cowboy:
    Thank you for your thoughts on it.

    I'm in agreement about the NO. All of it.


    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #143 on: September 30, 2022, 05:54:35 PM »
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  • Still waiting for proof of your allegation that Ripperger's exhortation for the laity to perform exorcisms is Traditional.
    Difficult for Holy Angels to provide proof of your strawman.
    Rather the burden is on you to demonstrate that Father Ripperger ever did any such thing.
    It has been repeatedly proven that he idd not do any such thing.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #144 on: September 30, 2022, 05:59:10 PM »
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  • Firstly, I find it very logical. It clearly shows the boundaries wherein the devil and his demons can act, and how the authority structure is important on how to fight the diabolic. It is good to have laid out the traditional structure of the family, to show a)the right order within the family unit and b) how that will further elucidate the daily means of spiritual combat.

    As for Father Ripperger, there are indeed problem areas. One major one is his association with the Novus Ordo Mass. He could not criticize it while he was in the FSSP and that lack carries into his present ministry. The increased lack of efficacy of exorcisms has to be tied in with ongoing celebration of the Bogus NoNo by exorcists. Despite the solid philosophy and theology in the texts Dominion and the one on mental health, how one can logically remain in the conciliar church is a bit baffling. That the ecclesial structure of authority was destroyed in Vatican II would explain if nothing else how the demonic has been given the power over society and the structures of the conciliar church.

    I take the good from Father R's texts, and through judicious discernment - as I have received formal philosophical and theological education - question the remainder to see if it be ill or no.:cowboy:
    Yes I agree that it is baffling unless you understand that we are in time of diabolical disorientation. Father Ripperger has explained that in one difficult exorcism, the demons challenged him asking "Under whose immediate authority to you cast us out?" Of course we all know that Our Savior is the ultimate authority, however given the hierarchal structure of the Church, the question regarded immediate authority.

    Father Ripperger answered "under the authority of Bishop ____."
    The demon immediately left.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #145 on: September 30, 2022, 06:15:19 PM »
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  • I guess the demons accept the questionable episcopal consecrations?


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #146 on: September 30, 2022, 06:23:32 PM »
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  • I guess the demons accept the questionable episcopal consecrations?
    As an exorcist, I think his understanding is that all angels, including fallen ones, recognize that authority is hierarchical.

    If an exorcist is not under the authority of his local Bishop, he is under he own authority, which is to say NO authority.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #147 on: September 30, 2022, 07:57:51 PM »
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  • Difficult for Holy Angels to provide proof of your strawman.
    Rather the burden is on you to demonstrate that Father Ripperger ever did any such thing.
    It has been repeatedly proven that he idd not do any such thing.

    Bovine excrement.  Strawman?  You clearly don't know what that term means.

    I have zero burden whatsoever.  I'm not encouraging laity to perform exorcisms.  Ripperger is.  And FallenAngels is also promoting it.  Burden of proof is squarely on them to justify it.

    And you too are a liar.  I have posted pictures of pages from his book demonstrating exactly what I asserted.  He has prayers for the laity to directly address demons and command them, cast them out, etc.

    FallenAngels lied claiming that none of the prayers in Ripperger's book have the laity directly addressing demons.  Then he lied claiming that there's backing for this practice in the Church Fathers, Doctors, saints, and theologians.  Should be a relatively simple thing then to produce just a single one of them.

    Still waiting ...

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #148 on: September 30, 2022, 08:03:34 PM »
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  • Another odd thing he says is that trads are plagued by the sin of impurity. While everyone is certainly plagued with this sin, trads are the only group in the world that actually do practice the virtue of purity to a large extent, and certainly far more than any other demographic in existence, including Novus Ordo adherents. It's like condemning Quakers for being belligerent, or Mormons for being drunks, or Muslims for being rationalists. The criticism is false and absurd.

    I could on for an hour about that sermon.  It's a hot mess.  Of course, some / many Trads are afflicted with sins of impurity ... as the world is absolutely awash with impurity and temptations against purity.  But his implication that it's perhaps even more prevalent among Trads is ludicrous (and completely anecdotal).  There's the simple inconvenient fact that the Novus Ordites simply DO NOT GO TO CONFESSION.  Parishes of 10,000 near me will be lucky to have 3 people in the Confessional line for a 30-minute window on Saturday afternoon ... and meanwhile, you have every single person prance up to Holy Communion.

    Of course we should avoid the pride of thinking ourselves superior for being Trads, and yet criticism of the Conciliar Church, and criticism of their Modernist Magisterium ... that's a diabolical fault?  I should say, rather, that his refusal to be critical of the Conciliar Church is doing Satan's work.

    And then, while criticizing Trads for impurity out the one side of his mouth, out of the other he criticizes them for trying to separate themselves from the world.  It is in fact largely because Trads compromise with the world that they fall into sins of impurity.

    He creates an extremely uncharitable caricature of Trads that is not unlike that of Bergoglio.  There's nothing wrong with charitably warning Traditional Catholics to avoid sins of pride, but he basically painted Traditional Catholics as a pack of hypocritical Pharisees who are arrogantly rejecting the Catholic Magisterium.  In fact, while speaking of pride, he takes an incredibly arrogant and condescending attitude against Traditional Catholics.  His tone is not one of charitable and constructive criticism, but of denunciation ... very similar to how Bergolgio arrogantly excoriates everyone else for pride while proclaiming himself to be a paragon of humility.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #149 on: September 30, 2022, 08:11:26 PM »
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  • I guess the demons accept the questionable episcopal consecrations?

    Of course.  Ripperger believes they're valid, perhaps because the demons told him as much.