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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2022, 07:06:08 PM »
Quote from: Cera on September 27, 2022, 01:01:14 PM
I have Father Ripperger's prayer book for laymen and NONE of the prayers are addressed to the enemy. Many of the prayers are like the Shield of St. Patrick, and others begin "In the name of Jesus." We are not exorcists, which is clearly explained in the intro.

This is a great example of a straw-man logical fallacy.

Absolute nonsense, the same denial that Holy Angels here exhibited.  I'd go so far as to say this is a lie.  I quoted extensively from Father Ripperger's book, and in many cases, the layman is explicitly addressing the evil sprit.  It's right there in black and white where i cited it.  "I cast you out ...", "I bind you ..."  I cited literally dozens of examples of this from the book.  Obviously no one is praying to the evil spirits, but they are addressing them and issuing commands to them.

Absolutely unnecessarily, does not good, but has the potential for catastrophic harm.  Somehow Father Ripperger has allowed Prot thinking on the matter to seep into his perspective.

You may wish to re-read this post:
https://www.cathinfo.com/art-and-literature-for-catholics/anyone-follow-fr-ripperger-here/msg847567/#msg847567
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Offline HolyAngels

Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2022, 07:28:11 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on September 27, 2022, 07:06:08 PM
Absolute nonsense, the same denial that Holy Angels here exhibited.  I'd go so far as to say this is a lie.  I quoted extensively from Father Ripperger's book, and in many cases, the layman is explicitly addressing the evil sprit.  It's right there in black and white where i cited it.  "I cast you out ...", "I bind you ..."  I cited literally dozens of examples of this from the book.  Obviously no one is praying to the evil spirits, but they are addressing them and issuing commands to them.

Absolutely unnecessarily, does not good, but has the potential for catastrophic harm.  Somehow Father Ripperger has allowed Prot thinking on the matter to seep into his perspective.

You may wish to re-read this post:
https://www.cathinfo.com/art-and-literature-for-catholics/anyone-follow-fr-ripperger-here/msg847567/#msg847567
Prot thinking ? Please explain why you say that.
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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2022, 08:01:30 PM »
The difference between Fr Ripperger's catechesis on spiritual warfare (and the prayers to wage it), and the criticism of his detractors, is that he draws from the study of what Church Doctors, Saints, and the Church have determined. 

His detractors draw from their feelings and emotions. 


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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2022, 09:22:36 PM »
Quote from: HolyAngels on September 27, 2022, 08:01:30 PM
The difference between Fr Ripperger's catechesis on spiritual warfare (and the prayers to wage it), and the criticism of his detractors, is that he draws from the study of what Church Doctors, Saints, and the Church have determined.

His detractors draw from their feelings and emotions.

Oh, stop it with this nonsense.  You have yet to demonstrate that any of the criticisms Yeti and I have made regarding the laity directly addressing demons is inconssitent with the teaching of the "Church Doctors, Saints, and the Church."  Quite the opposite, and the only precedent I see for encouraging the laity to utter "Deliverance Prayers" comes from Protestantism.  I feel to see any Catholic Tradition along those lies.

Directly attempting to "cast out" and "bind" and "expel" demons is incredibly risky business for the laity who do not have the authority of the Church to do so, not even the Minor Order of Exorcist.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2022, 09:24:37 PM »
Quote from: HolyAngels on September 27, 2022, 07:28:11 PM
Prot thinking ? Please explain why you say that.

This notion of laity having the authority to cast out demons (vs. the Catholic Tradition that holds Exorcist to be an Order commissioned by the Church) is entirely Protestant.  You hear the same kind of language from the Protestants, who have this notion regarding a "priesthood of believers," where any layman has this authority.  Nor have I ever seen anywhere in Traditional sources this language of "binding" demons, whereas Prot rhetoric is replete with it.
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