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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2022, 06:32:19 AM »
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  • The bolded part seems to indicate you need to reread the introduction.

    You apparently need to read the book you’re promoting here as you falsely claimed that all the prayers in this book are addressed to God, Our Lady, and the saints.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #61 on: September 26, 2022, 08:00:20 AM »
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  • I have read the introduction, BTW.  Father Ripperger asserts that lay people can make these binding prayers in the context of those over whom they have authority.  He says that they do not see "retaliation" taking place in those circuмstances.  But that seems purely anecdotal.  "Well, we haven't seen it happen."  How do they really know?  But, that aside, the tone of many of these prayers, as cited above, does NOT make that clear at all.  They're much more general and do not have any specific wording along those lines.  It is extremely dangerous to attempt to direcly issue commands to demons.  Every one of these prayers could, and absolutely should, simply be re-written along the lines of, "God [or Our Blessed Mother or the angels], please enforce the authority I have over these souls (wife, children, etc.) and accept my request, base on that authority, which is in fact your authority communicated to me, and banish these demonic spirit from them."


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #62 on: September 26, 2022, 09:23:37 AM »
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  • You apparently need to read the book you’re promoting here as you falsely claimed that all the prayers in this book are addressed to God, Our Lady, and the saints.
    To clarify...
    "Well, all the prayers in my copy invoke either Our Lady, St Michael, the Precious Blood, the Holy Angels, our guardian angel, the Holy Ghost, the Blessed Trinity, Our Lord, or a combination of them to do the binding." 
    That's what I posted. Unless you are referring to a different post of mine ?

    The Adjuration prayer you quoted. I've never used that one but do see the concern over "I cast you out.." 
    I'd change that to "Jesus, I ask Thee to cast out..." per the instructions in the introduction. 

    Nevertheless the Adjuration prayer implies no authority by the one praying it but rather indicates Mary, God, and Our Lord are exerting the power over the demons. 

    I've been praying the Auxilium Christianorum Prayers and haven't actually read every prayer in the book yet. The ones that are for wives and children don't apply to me as I'm single. And the Masonic curse prayers don't apply to me. The book is just a collection of prayers from various other books. Not meant to replace something like My Prayer Book by Fr Lasance.

    I'll read all the prayers of the book this evening at work. You have me wanting to determine how many of the prayers contain words that could imply authority a layman doesn't possess (no pun) unless modified. 

    Also, although I've not had access to a copy of the version for the Clergy, I'm guessing the introduction of it differs from the Laity version.

    When I mentioned rereading the introduction, I was not implying you did not comprehend it in regards to Fr's explanation of a layman's use of the prayers. I had to read it a few times myself. Your concerns are valid but as long as a layman understands what level and types of authority we have, it's not an issue.

    Those who think about demons obsessively or whose spiritual life is a mess ? Absolutely they should not use these prayers, as Fr Ripperger clearly acknowledges.


    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #63 on: September 26, 2022, 02:11:45 PM »
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  • Nevertheless the Adjuration prayer implies no authority by the one praying it but rather indicates Mary, God, and Our Lord are exerting the power over the demons.

    It doesn't matter that that the commands to the demons are "in the name of Jesus," etc.  Problem remains that lay people act as if they had the authority to exert or invoke that authority.  It is the layman delivering this "Adjuration" that is exerting the power, made clear by the first person there, "I bind ...", "I cast out ...", "I command ...".

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #64 on: September 26, 2022, 02:20:06 PM »
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  • Thread slipped down the page before I saw this, but now that I see it, ...

    ... in MY copy:
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    Spirit of [N.], I bind you in the Name of Jesus ...


    With N., you're supposed to specify the exact type of evil spirit you're attempting to bind.

    He even has a Latin version.  Is that supposed to imply that this is some official prayer of the Church?
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    Spiritus [N.], ego te ligo in nomine Jesus ...


    That Latin sounds like something a priest would say.


    What the devil are you supposed to insert for the "N."??! The name of the demon? His rank in the infernal choirs of angels? What? And how are you supposed to know any of this information? By asking the demon to show you his ID and proof of insurance?! This is not just bizarre, it's outright disturbing!



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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #65 on: September 26, 2022, 02:21:50 PM »
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  • With N., you're supposed to specify the exact type of evil spirit you're attempting to bind.

    He even has a Latin version.  Is that supposed to imply that this is some official prayer of the Church?
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    That Latin sounds like something a priest would say.



    What the devil are you supposed to insert for the "N."??! The name of the demon? His rank in the infernal choirs of angels? What? And how are you supposed to know any of this information? By asking the demon to show you his ID and proof of insurance?! This is not just bizarre, it's outright disturbing!

    Yes, there's a list on the followig page of possible values for N. ... e.g. "spirit of fornication," "spirit of gluttony," etc.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #66 on: September 26, 2022, 02:28:42 PM »
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  • Those types of prayers (they're more commands) above are, IMO, incredibly dangerous.  I find it perplexing that Father Ripperger emphasizes that one must have the authority of the Church to have any power over demonic spirits, and yet here he has lay people engaging, directly addressing, and commanding evil spirits "in the Name of Jesus."
    Fr. Ripperger's sermons sound like a scene in a Harry Potter book. I think his popularity comes not from his adherence to tradition (since NONE of this garbage about binding demons or addressing demons in prayer can be found in ANY pre-Vatican 2 prayer book), but from a toxic combination of lurid curiosity and sensationalism, superstition of people who think everything is caused by demons, and simple vanity of people who want to believe they are undergoing some sort of external attacks from demons as the great saints were, like the Cure of Ars.

    Holy Angels, I'd really like to see an example of ANY prayer written before Vatican II that addresses a demon. I highly doubt you'll be able to find one. We address ourselves to God and the blessed in prayer, not to demons, sheesh! Is this really news to you? We do not talk to demons! Period. Seriously! Do you not get this??!


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    As lay people, we should simply pray to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, and be devoted to Her Holy Rosary.  We should make use of the sacramentals provided by Holy Mother Church, the holy water, blessed articles, especially St. Beedict medals, etc.

    Indeed. Why is this not good enough for Fr. Ripperger?


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    But to constantly be thinking about these evils spirits, and be engaging them, and attempting to battle them directly, that's a recipe for disaster ... nor is it psychologically healthy.  It can mess with someone's peace of soul.  And we know that many things (including "hiccups") can have natural causes as well, and needn't see a demon behind every bush, and every hiccup.  We also have to admit that some of our sins are caused by the flesh, and others by the world.


    I was trying to get at this in some of my posts in this earlier thread, but you have explained this better than I did. Yes, every word of this is solid. I would just add that this demon-obsessed fake spirituality of Fr. Ripperger is a novelty and is not traditional, and that should be enough for traditional Catholics to reject it outright.


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    IMO, this book should be on the Index.

    I wish I could give this entire post about sixteen thumbs up, but alas I could only give it one. :cowboy:

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #67 on: September 26, 2022, 02:42:04 PM »
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  • Fr. Ripperger's sermons sound like a scene in a Harry Potter book. I think his popularity comes not from his adherence to tradition (since NONE of this garbage about binding demons or addressing demons in prayer can be found in ANY pre-Vatican 2 prayer book), but from a toxic combination of lurid curiosity and sensationalism, superstition of people who think everything is caused by demons, and simple vanity of people who want to believe they are undergoing some sort of external attacks from demons as the great saints were, like the Cure of Ars.

    I would add one other motivation, that people can somewhat offload responsibility.  Instead of having to admit, "I failed," and "I fell into the sin of lust." or "I lost my temper.", there's a subtle "a demon caused me to do it."  And perhaps not even some demon that I admitted into my life, but, rather, a demon that my great-great-grandfather inflicted on my family line.


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #68 on: September 26, 2022, 03:03:59 PM »
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  • I truly believe that the combination of Our Blessed Mother's protection and the sacramentals of the Church, holy water, blessed salt, and St. Benedict's medals, etc. are far more powerful against demonic forces than some deliverance prayer that I utter.  If we consecrate ourselves and our families to Our Blessed Mother, she'll drive out all these demons and generational spirits, etc., much more effectively than we can through these prayers.  With the sacramentals, they work quasi-ex-opere-operato with the authority of the Church.  I am confident that holy water and blessed salt create an impervious barrier against demons, and that St. Benedict's medals do the same.  I believe that Our Blessed Mother will protect those who offer the Holy Rosary (15 decades recommended) and will not let the demons attack those who are consecrated to her.  Traditional exorcists report that they flee in terror from the presence of Our Blessed Mother.

    Another thing that I find a bit strange is Fr. Ripperger's advice to pray to Our Lady of Sorrows to have her reveal to us which kind of demon is inflicting us.  Why do we need this "private revelation"?  We simply have to ask Our Lady, whatever it is, please get rid of it.  There's a bit of inordinate curiosity at work here, the same type of attitude that inspires people to dabble in the occult.  We have also spoken of before about the exorcists who interrogate demons to get details about who they are and what they're doing there, etc.  How is that really a good idea?  I thought that the interaction with demons was to be avoided.  Newsflash -- demons lie.  But there's this subtle implication, dovetailing with the "binding" prayers above, that we somehow have "more power" over these demons if we can name them.  That seems a bit superstitious to me.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #69 on: September 26, 2022, 04:06:14 PM »
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  • It doesn't matter that that the commands to the demons are "in the name of Jesus," etc.  Problem remains that lay people act as if they had the authority to exert or invoke that authority.  It is the layman delivering this "Adjuration" that is exerting the power, made clear by the first person there, "I bind ...", "I cast out ...", "I command ...".
    It's a major problem if the person saying the prayer believes he/she has power over demons. Even Exorcists don't claim power over demons. The only person that walked this earth with such power is Our Lady, besides Our Lord. 

    Anyone who understands that and remains in a state of grace ? It's their battle to fight if they choose. (See my signature)
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #70 on: September 26, 2022, 04:10:47 PM »
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  • With N., you're supposed to specify the exact type of evil spirit you're attempting to bind.

    He even has a Latin version.  Is that supposed to imply that this is some official prayer of the Church?
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    That Latin sounds like something a priest would say.



    What the devil are you supposed to insert for the "N."??! The name of the demon? His rank in the infernal choirs of angels? What? And how are you supposed to know any of this information? By asking the demon to show you his ID and proof of insurance?! This is not just bizarre, it's outright disturbing!
    You don't try to identify the demon. It's in the introduction in to the book.

    How can you critique a book you've never read ? 
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #71 on: September 26, 2022, 04:12:16 PM »
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  • Yes, there's a list on the followig page of possible values for N. ... e.g. "spirit of fornication," "spirit of gluttony," etc.
    Right, but not their names. 
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #72 on: September 26, 2022, 04:22:44 PM »
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  • Holy Angels, I'd really like to see an example of ANY prayer written before Vatican II that addresses a demon. I highly doubt you'll be able to find one. We address ourselves to God and the blessed in prayer, not to demons, sheesh! Is this really news to you? We do not talk to demons! Period. Seriously! Do you not get this??!


    Pope Leo XIII
    https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=682

    Actually the Lord's Prayer asks for deliverance "from the evil one".
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #73 on: September 26, 2022, 05:13:59 PM »
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  • Pope Leo XIII
    https://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=682
    Okay, but it says right at the top of that page in huge letters that it is supposed to be said by a priest only. I wasn't including the prayers of the exorcism ceremony, which do in fact address the devil. I was talking about prayers that anyone can say.


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    Actually the Lord's Prayer asks for deliverance "from the evil one".


    And it addresses this request to God the Father, not to the devil.


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #74 on: September 26, 2022, 06:19:15 PM »
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  • I think we are confusing deliverance prayers with exorcism rites.


    38{37}John answered him, saying: Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, who followeth not us: and we forbade him. 39{38}But Jesus said: Do not forbid him. For there is no man that doth a miracle in my name and can soon speak ill of me.



    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12