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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2022, 04:12:55 PM »
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  • And on some deliverance prayers in the book he tells the reader how to protect himself from demonic retaliation. For example if a prayer begins with "in the name of Jesus I bind thee.." Laymen can simply alter it to "Jesus, I ask you to bind.." ( by doing so the layman does not imply authority he does not have )
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    A prayer is a statement addressed to God or a saint. This is a statement addressed to the Devil. Catholics are never supposed to communicate with the spiritual world except in prayer ... to God, obviously. Or Our Lady or the saints or angels. That's it. Not to the Devil. Even a priest needs the permission of his bishop to perform an exorcism.

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    He did mention a Deliverance Prayer for breaking Free Masonic ties that was written by a Protestant. He catholicized it and included it in the book.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #46 on: September 14, 2022, 04:45:43 PM »
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  • . After giving it a little more thought, maybe that's something you need for whatever reason, but I sure don't. 

    Thanks for your reply. It was just there in front of me in the book. In my case what I need in regards to my habitual sins is start practicing custody of the eyes and my tongue. 

    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #47 on: September 14, 2022, 05:20:28 PM »
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    A prayer is a statement addressed to God or a saint. This is a statement addressed to the Devil. Catholics are never supposed to communicate with the spiritual world except in prayer ... to God, obviously. Or Our Lady or the saints or angels. That's it. Not to the Devil. Even a priest needs the permission of his bishop to perform an exorcism.

    Right, but no one on this thread nor Fr Ripperger in the two books I mentioned have said otherwise. 

    You're trying too hard lol.

    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #48 on: September 15, 2022, 04:11:03 PM »
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  • Right, but no one on this thread nor Fr Ripperger in the two books I mentioned have said otherwise.

    You're trying too hard lol.

    He specifically cited the phrase "I bind thee" and was referring to that.  I don't know that I can disagree with his concern.  That sounds like a step away from Pablo the lay exorcist.  WE are trying to bind demons?  How?  I understand that the idea is that if we have God-given authority over someone, say, our children, we can in SOME way assert our God-given rights over them, but it's a fine line between that an attempting to bind demons.  I know that my wife bought Father Ripperger's book and has been saying some of those prayers, and I think that the demonic attacks against my family have only increased since then.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #49 on: September 15, 2022, 05:38:32 PM »
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  • He specifically cited the phrase "I bind thee" and was referring to that.  I don't know that I can disagree with his concern.  That sounds like a step away from Pablo the lay exorcist.  WE are trying to bind demons?  How?  I understand that the idea is that if we have God-given authority over someone, say, our children, we can in SOME way assert our God-given rights over them, but it's a fine line between that an attempting to bind demons.  I know that my wife bought Father Ripperger's book and has been saying some of those prayers, and I think that the demonic attacks against my family have only increased since then.
    What book does she have ? If it's Deliverance Prayers For The Laity, it's all explained in the Introduction. Fr Ripperger isn't promoting exorcism by the laity. 

    As far as attacks after spiritual warfare prayers, well, it irritates demons. If they come at us it's because God permits it. 
    As Fr Ripperger says, if He didn't allow it, we'd be mediocre in our Spiritual lives at best. 

    Oppression, obsession .... They are going to come at us in those ways whether we are praying spiritual warfare related prayers or not. 

    Some of us can't handle an increase in demonic retaliation. Fr Ripperger acknowledges that. If someone is scared of demons, they perhaps don't have strong confidence in Our Lady's protection. Some struggle to stay in a state of grace. Could be many reasons. But Fr is very adamant in recommending we consult a spiritual director before upping our game with these prayers.

    Myself, I say "bring it on Mr Devil. Screw you. I can't make you do anything. I can't stop you from messing with me. But those two standing behind me that I have confidence in can send you packing"

    Anyhow, in my opinion Dominion is the best resource I have ever come across to up my game in the practice of Catholicism. It's what I needed.

    Pax
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #50 on: September 15, 2022, 07:40:57 PM »
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    Some of us can't handle an increase in demonic retaliation. Fr Ripperger acknowledges that. If someone is scared of demons, they perhaps don't have strong confidence in Our Lady's protection. Some struggle to stay in a state of grace. Could be many reasons. But Fr is very adamant in recommending we consult a spiritual director before upping our game with these prayers.

    Myself, I say "bring it on Mr Devil. Screw you. I can't make you do anything. I can't stop you from messing with me. But those two standing behind me that I have confidence in can send you packing"

    Anyhow, in my opinion Dominion is the best resource I have ever come across to up my game in the practice of Catholicism. It's what I needed.

    Pax

    The attitude displayed above is a great example of why much of Ripperger's teaching ought to be avoided, especially by neophytes.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #51 on: September 15, 2022, 07:46:13 PM »
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  • The attitude displayed above is a great example of why much of Ripperger's teaching ought to be avoided, especially by neophytes.
    Point taken, perhaps I should have said I'm just not scared of Satan's games. Fear of God, yes I welcome that gift of the Holy Ghost.
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #52 on: September 15, 2022, 07:52:34 PM »
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  • The attitude displayed above is a great example of why much of Ripperger's teaching ought to be avoided, especially by neophytes.
    Indeed. I've verbalized such things to mock the Devil when under attack in the past, and let's just say it makes things a lot worse.

    The best advice is to ignore him as you would any other temptations and say a prayer like the Pater, Ave, or St. Michael.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #53 on: September 16, 2022, 07:06:18 AM »
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  • What book does she have ? If it's Deliverance Prayers For The Laity, it's all explained in the Introduction. Fr Ripperger isn't promoting exorcism bythe laity.

    Yes, that's the book.  Father can explain all he wants but the forms of the prayers themselves are sketchy.  When people directly try to confront demons and "bind" them, I think that's probably playing with a fire.  We appeal to Our Lady and St. Michael in particular and ask them to bind the demons.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #54 on: September 16, 2022, 08:24:46 AM »
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  • Yes, that's the book.  Father can explain all he wants but the forms of the prayers themselves are sketchy.  When people directly try to confront demons and "bind" them, I think that's probably playing with a fire.  We appeal to Our Lady and St. Michael in particular and ask them to bind the demons.
    Well, all the prayers in my copy invoke either Our Lady, St Michael, the Precious Blood, the Holy Angels, our guardian angel, the Holy Ghost, the Blessed Trinity, Our Lord, or a combination of them to do the binding.

    You write "We appeal to Our Lady and St. Michael in particular and ask them to bind the demons." I'm not sure why you don't see that they are asked to do the binding in a number of the prayers.

    And why is the Precious Blood, our guardian angel, the Blessed Trinity, and Our Lord not included in yours and others' " all we need " list ? 


     
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #55 on: September 25, 2022, 10:47:23 PM »
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  • Yes, unlike in the neo-SSPX, Fr. Ripperger emphasizes the importance of spiritual battle (Eph 6:12: "For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.").
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #56 on: September 25, 2022, 11:30:49 PM »
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  • Yes, unlike in the neo-SSPX, Fr. Ripperger emphasizes the importance of spiritual battle (Eph 6:12: "For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.").
    Indeed, and it's a good fight.
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #57 on: September 25, 2022, 11:42:24 PM »
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  • Well, all the prayers in my copy invoke either Our Lady, St Michael, the Precious Blood, the Holy Angels, our guardian angel, the Holy Ghost, the Blessed Trinity, Our Lord, or a combination of them to do the binding.

    Thread slipped down the page before I saw this, but now that I see it, ...

    ... in MY copy:
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    Spirit of [N.], I bind you in the Name of Jesus ...

    With N., you're supposed to specify the exact type of evil spirit you're attempting to bind.

    He even has a Latin version.  Is that supposed to imply that this is some official prayer of the Church?
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    Spiritus [N.], ego te ligo in nomine Jesus ...

    That Latin sounds like something a priest would say.

    So he has the layman here directly addressing specific demonic spirits.

    Then in the "Longer Form of Binding Prayer" (which also sounds rather New Agey):
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    I bind and render helpless any spirits affecting me ...

    ... going on to list a ton of spirits, including, among two pages worth of others, spirits that cause hiccups.

    Then, some pages later ... I could post the ENTIRE "Adjuration" prayer.  In fact, here, since a couple citations doesn't do it justice.



    So here we have laymen attempting to exercise the "power and authority of Jesus" over evil spirits. 

    "I adjure you ... to depart from here." 
    "I cast you out, every unclean spirit ..."
    "I bind you separately and individually and break all seals..."
    "In the power and authority of Jesus, I command that you ..."
    "I send you separately and individually ..."
    "I command that you never return ..."
    "I come against your hooks ... and command that you be cursed ..."
    "You must come forth from this child of the Lord ..."


    If this isn't Pablo the Lay Exorcist, then I don't know what is.  For all we know, Pablo got the idea from this book.

    I find it disturbing that a priest is encouraging lay people without the authority of the Church to do so, to directly give commands to evil spirits.  That's a recipe for disaster if I ever saw one.

    And it goes on, his so-called "Perimeter Prayer":
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    I adjure all your evil spirits, in the Name of ... Jesus ... to depart from here.  I cast you out, every unclean spirit.

    So you might want to check your copy again.





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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #58 on: September 25, 2022, 11:54:22 PM »
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  • Those types of prayers (they're more commands) above are, IMO, incredibly dangerous.  I find it perplexing that Father Ripperger emphasizes that one must have the authority of the Church to have any power over demonic spirits, and yet here he has lay people engaging, directly addressing, and commanding evil spirits "in the Name of Jesus."

    As lay people, we should simply pray to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, and be devoted to Her Holy Rosary.  We should make use of the sacramentals provided by Holy Mother Church, the holy water, blessed articles, especially St. Beedict medals, etc.

    But to constantly be thinking about these evils spirits, and be engaging them, and attempting to battle them directly, that's a recipe for disaster ... nor is it psychologically healthy.  It can mess with someone's peace of soul.  And we know that many things (including "hiccups") can have natural causes as well, and needn't see a demon behind every bush, and every hiccup.  We also have to admit that some of our sins are caused by the flesh, and others by the world.

    IMO, this book should be on the Index.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #59 on: September 26, 2022, 03:55:15 AM »
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  • Those types of prayers (they're more commands) above are, IMO, incredibly dangerous.  I find it perplexing that Father Ripperger emphasizes that one must have the authority of the Church to have any power over demonic spirits, and yet here he has lay people engaging, directly addressing, and commanding evil spirits "in the Name of Jesus."

    As lay people, we should simply pray to Our Lady, the Terror of Demons, and be devoted to Her Holy Rosary.  We should make use of the sacramentals provided by Holy Mother Church, the holy water, blessed articles, especially St. Beedict medals, etc.

    But to constantly be thinking about these evils spirits, and be engaging them, and attempting to battle them directly, that's a recipe for disaster ... nor is it psychologically healthy.  It can mess with someone's peace of soul.  And we know that many things (including "hiccups") can have natural causes as well, and needn't see a demon behind every bush, and every hiccup.  We also have to admit that some of our sins are caused by the flesh, and others by the world.

    IMO, this book should be on the Index.
    The bolded part seems to indicate you need to reread the introduction. 
    For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places
    Ephesians 6:12