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Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« on: September 10, 2022, 01:28:05 PM »
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    • I was looking for videos one evening and come across a Fr Ripperger one on sacramentals. So I began watching others and he's an excellent catechist  imo.

    I bought his book Deliverance Prayers For The Laity and begin praying the Auxilium Christian prayers. Soon after I understood why he strongly suggested one speak with a priest before praying the prayers. Demons don't like them.

    I also got a copy of his latest book Dominion. It far exceeds the other books I've read on angels, demons, and spiritual warfare. 

    Anyhow I'm glad I found him online. As far as the details of what goes on in the room when he performs a solemn exorcism, I'm not intrigued by all of that. Everything else he presents is solid imo.

    What are the general thoughts here about Fr Ripperger ? I realize he's indult but he certainly is orthodox.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #1 on: September 10, 2022, 01:31:36 PM »
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    • I like him too, he goes straight to the point .

    He's the reason I got my local trad priest to make epiphany exorcism holy water.. I bless my home with it quite often and have given some to my family - it's powerful holy water.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #2 on: September 10, 2022, 01:48:26 PM »
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    • Fr Ripperger was ordained in the Novus Ordo sect ( FSSP?) so his ordination might be considered doubtful. In the past he called the neo-SSPX and all other independent trad groups schismatic.
    He hasn't spoken much about that lately ( understandably). He seems quite proficient in his ministry of exorcism but I am surprised he is so visible online with his profession. Usually exorcists are less public about it. He does have a great prayer website called Auxilium Christianorum  that I participated in as a member of the laity. I'm not so sure about him now.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #3 on: September 10, 2022, 01:59:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: xavierpope on September 10, 2022, 01:31:36 PM
    I like him too, he goes straight to the point .

    He's the reason I got my local trad priest to make epiphany exorcism holy water.. I bless my home with it quite often and have given some to my family - it's powerful holy water.
    Same here. I marked my doorways with the epiphany chalk as well.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #4 on: September 10, 2022, 02:00:02 PM »
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    • He's a good Thomist, I learned a lot from his videos. And he's given great conferences on the demonic and exorcism. 

    I doubt his Orders, and I've really become skeptical about just how much he shares regarding the demonic to the point that it seems like he's divining information from them to share with the public. There's also the weird popularity of him, as exorcists are typically out of the public eye because it paints a target on their back for demons.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #5 on: September 10, 2022, 02:26:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on September 10, 2022, 01:48:26 PM
    Fr Ripperger was ordained in the Novus Ordo sect ( FSSP?) so his ordination might be considered doubtful. In the past he called the neo-SSPX and all other independent trad groups schismatic.
    He hasn't spoken much about that lately ( understandably). He seems quite proficient in his ministry of exorcism but I am surprised he is so visible online with his profession. Usually exorcists are less public about it. He does have a great prayer website called Auxilium Christianorum  that I participated in as a member of the laity. I'm not so sure about him now.
    Did you experience any sort of demonic retaliation after praying the Auxilium Christianorum prayers. I did 3 times not far apart but they subsided. Then I started praying Servite rosary along with the other daily prayers as required by the Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother, the Doloran Fathers aFr Ripperger is part of. Now I've had them come at me again.

    The worst was one night I was reaching for my copy of Deliverance Prayers For The Laity and I envisioned the most repulsive image of a demon I've ever seen in a painting or otherwise. It didn't frighten me but I immediately made the sign of the cross and it disappeared. Then a second one appeared (in my mind) as soon as I found the page to begin that day's prayers. I got up and made the sign of the cross with some holy water and then prayed to St Michael prayer.  

    Other than that time they try to shake me in dreams. Every time it's  woken me and I was calmed immediately by looking at the crucifix. The instances are not scaring me but I never had anything of the sort happen until I started praying these prayers. I'm 65 yo. They are just enough to get my attention.

    Anyhow, his book Dominion has allowed me to figure out what type of demonic influence drives my habitual sins. In my case it's demonic oppression.

    I prefer to read Catholic books written no later than around 1910 or so but in Fr Ripperger's case his catechesis is so solid I'm resisting " tossing the baby with the bathwater". I can imagine him subbing for a priest at an indy or resistance chapel and if no one in the pews recognized him they would never know he was an indult priest.
     
    I do get some comments I've read about him being a bit too public. Understandable. I just like his style of catechesis.

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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #6 on: September 10, 2022, 02:38:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 10, 2022, 02:00:02 PM
    He's a good Thomist, I learned a lot from his videos. And he's given great conferences on the demonic and exorcism.

    I doubt his Orders, and I've really become skeptical about just how much he shares regarding the demonic to the point that it seems like he's divining information from them to share with the public. There's also the weird popularity of him, as exorcists are typically out of the public eye because it paints a target on their back for demons.
    As far as his Orders, it is indeed something of concern. I don't receive sacramental from him though. And yes he does have a sort of fan club following among NO Catholics. That popularity maybe because the mainstream Catholic aren't used to hearing any catechesis from the pulpit. When they encounter something more; catechesis in the actual practice of Catholicism, they embrace it if they are of fairly strong faith. 

     The NO's liturgical problems aside, the sermons are nearly always lame and devoid of catechesis.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #7 on: September 10, 2022, 04:44:29 PM »
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    • Father Ripperger has been helpful to me in understanding spiritual warfare. I don't listen to any info about exorcisms -- just not that interesting to me. For those who complain that he says the NO Mass, I am not attending his Mass -- I am listening to him speak on how to grow spiritually.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #8 on: September 10, 2022, 06:41:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 10, 2022, 04:44:29 PM
    Father Ripperger has been helpful to me in understanding spiritual warfare. I don't listen to any info about exorcisms -- just not that interesting to me. For those who complain that he says the NO Mass, I am not attending his Mass -- I am listening to him speak on how to grow spiritually.
    He recommends Ways of Mental Prayer by Dom Vitalis Lehodey
    https://tanbooks.com/products/books/discounts-sales/5-books/the-ways-of-mental-prayer/

    There are free PDF files of it as well. It's helped my pray life immensely.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #9 on: September 10, 2022, 08:01:09 PM »
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    • He would 't help us when we thought a family member need an exorcism.  He sent us through the local NO channels.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #10 on: September 10, 2022, 08:33:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 10, 2022, 02:00:02 PM
    He's a good Thomist, I learned a lot from his videos. And he's given great conferences on the demonic and exorcism.

    I doubt his Orders, and I've really become skeptical about just how much he shares regarding the demonic to the point that it seems like he's divining information from them to share with the public. There's also the weird popularity of him, as exorcists are typically out of the public eye because it paints a target on their back for demons.

    Traditionally the Church treated exorcisms as a confidential matter not in order to protect the exorcist from demons (since the demons already know who is doing the exorcisms in any parish anyway), but to avoid the type of popular sensationalism and superstition that Ripperger appeals to in order to get attention. A lot of people in the conservative wing of the new church are highly superstitious and think demons cause every natural event that is a little weird, and think everyone is possessed by demons (I think they have invented the word "oppressed" by demons now, to avoid that accusation I just mentioned). So when people like this hear a priest (invalidly ordained) going on and on about demons all the time and how many people are possessed, they eat it with a big spoon.

    Traditionally, the Church is always extremely slow to say anyone is possessed by the devil (and I'm not aware of those terms "demonic obsession" or "demonic oppression" being used before Vatican 2, I don't think they're traditional). In fact, the very ceremony of exorcism in the Roman Ritual, a liturgical book, says as much, and says that priests should be very reluctant to believe anyone possessed, and not unless they can either speak many words in a foreign language, reveal hidden or secret information unknown to them, or do things physically impossible. And it implies people should do more than one of those things, or more than once. Ever hear Ripperger tell people this?

    The Catholic idea is to assign natural causes to things. Thus, if you see a devil in your imagination as you pick up a book about devils, that is probably your imagination. If have a nightmare, that is your imagination. That is how people should think, and that is what is taught by the true Catholic mystics and teachers of the spiritual life.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #11 on: September 10, 2022, 09:32:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on September 10, 2022, 08:33:38 PM
    Traditionally the Church treated exorcisms as a confidential matter not in order to protect the exorcist from demons (since the demons already know who is doing the exorcisms in any parish anyway), but to avoid the type of popular sensationalism and superstition that Ripperger appeals to in order to get attention. A lot of people in the conservative wing of the new church are highly superstitious and think demons cause every natural event that is a little weird, and think everyone is possessed by demons (I think they have invented the word "oppressed" by demons now, to avoid that accusation I just mentioned). So when people like this hear a priest (invalidly ordained) going on and on about demons all the time and how many people are possessed, they eat it with a big spoon.

    Traditionally, the Church is always extremely slow to say anyone is possessed by the devil (and I'm not aware of those terms "demonic obsession" or "demonic oppression" being used before Vatican 2, I don't think they're traditional). In fact, the very ceremony of exorcism in the Roman Ritual, a liturgical book, says as much, and says that priests should be very reluctant to believe anyone possessed, and not unless they can either speak many words in a foreign language, reveal hidden or secret information unknown to them, or do things physically impossible. And it implies people should do more than one of those things, or more than once. Ever hear Ripperger tell people this?

    The Catholic idea is to assign natural causes to things. Thus, if you see a devil in your imagination as you pick up a book about devils, that is probably your imagination. If have a nightmare, that is your imagination. That is how people should think, and that is what is taught by the true Catholic mystics and teachers of the spiritual life.
     Well stated. I agree. I will have to look into the usage of "oppression/obsession" to verify that, as it is of definite interest. 

    Furthermore, the claim of superstition appears to be true. As I recall Ripperger himself encouraging people to superstitiously utilize brown scapulars, referring to a tale about a house being saved from fire by hanging a scapular on the door know. Yet I digress...superstition takes the place of faith if you do not have supernatural faith, as I suspect many "fans" of Ripperger lack.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #12 on: September 10, 2022, 11:40:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: HolyAngels on September 10, 2022, 06:41:04 PM
    He recommends Ways of Mental Prayer by Dom Vitalis Lehodey
    https://tanbooks.com/products/books/discounts-sales/5-books/the-ways-of-mental-prayer/

    There are free PDF files of it as well. It's helped my pray life immensely.
    Awesome book. Best book on prayer and it's interconnectedness with spiritual advancement I've ever read. It shows how advancement in the spiritual life or sanctity and advancement in your prayer life coincide, how they're inseparable. Also explains to the reader how to practice mental prayer in different ways at different stages and how to recognize God working in the soul. What is mental prayer?  How do you know when to simplify your mental prayer? How does meditation become contemplation? What is God doing? What do you do? How and why is advancing in the spiritual life of union with Christ and advancing in prayer inseparable or interdependent? This book explains all this and more in a lot of detail especially drawing from the writings of St. John if the Cross and St. Theresa of Avila. Book is 3 or 4 hundred pages. Very exhaustive. Worth it. 
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #13 on: September 11, 2022, 01:19:15 AM »
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    • Obsession is indeed a traditional form of diabolical influence discussed in spiritual theology.

    The traditional divisions of diabolical influence in the manuals are: 1) temptations, 2) obsession (interior or exterior), and 3) possession.

    Fr. Antonio Royo Marin, OP summarizes the traditional theology well in his manual Teologia de la Perfeccion Cristiana.

    Mgr. Ribet discussed these three divisions more extensively in his 1883 work La mystique divine. Fr. Pierre Thyrée, SJ was the classic author of demonology, witchcraft and occult extraordinary phenomena, especially his De daemoniacis, 1594.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia article is good: https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12315a.htm

    St. Thomas discusses diabolical influence generally in various places, e.g. ST Ia, q. 114; In II Sent., dist. 8, q. 1. There are also many other saints who discuss these matters with more or less depth.

    The 1917 Code was absolutely clear that laity and even unauthorized clergy were forbidden to attempt an exorcism (c. 1151-53).

    There is increasing discussion of "generational spirits" among some exorcists or people interested in this topic. I've never spent time looking into it, and it doesn't seem to be mentioned in the traditional manuals as far as I know (but I don't know much at all in this topic). But what I mentioned above is clearly laid out in the traditional sources.
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    Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
    « Reply #14 on: September 11, 2022, 07:29:44 AM »
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    • IMO, some of his online sermons are pretty good. As for “following” him, if you mean in the online sense, I don’t follow anyone I do not personally know in real life. Whether others make themselves fans of a priest or not is of little concern to me. Jesus had crowds of followers on Palm Sunday and was cancelled immediately thereafter.  The same can happen to Fr. Ripperger.
     I’d be cautious about getting overly involved in his exorcism prayers.  He wrote and adapted most of them.  I think it’s not good for lay people to be praying other than short spiritual warfare prayers as needed under demonic temptation, or as guided by one’s spiritual advisor.  (One amateur exorcist in the resistance movement is enough!)  
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