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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2022, 12:55:20 PM »
Initially the Laity could pray it. The 1930's Raccolta has a parsed version as an indulgenced prayer (sans the exorcism)

Fr Ripperger mentioned in one of his talks that today, not even priests can use the original prayer.
Did Father Ripperger explain why priests can no longer use the long St. Michael's prayer?

Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2022, 01:00:42 PM »
He's actually a very solid Thomist ... but this stuff about exorcisms, especially the lay deliverance prayers does not sound right, for the reasons that both Yeti and I have articulated.  At best, there's really no need for these deliverance prayers, and at worst they could invite diabolical retribution for attempting to do it without the requisite autority or competence.
Ladislaus, I'm not remotely as determined to promote the praying of these prayers as Yeti and yourself are in denouncing them. 

The bottom line is the question of authority. And if the Church has defined the authority of laymen to use certain prayers, which they have, then I suspect that lies at the heart of Fr Ripperger's confidence in presenting them for use by the laity. 

I realize not everyone on the forum here has a copy of Dominion by Fr Ripperger. I do have it and looking through it last night I see that it's not simply his opinion the prayers and question are safe for the laity, but rather it's his conclusion after his research and study of many works. He cites St Thomas, St Alphonsus, and numerous other sources. 

I'll begin going through the pertinent text and post a synopsis of it. I'll need time though. Ripperger uses many terms I'm not familiar with and I will have to do some homework so I can understand the context and so forth. 

The Chapter titled Structure of Authority, which is around 70 pages is not easy reading for a lot of us.



Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2022, 01:01:14 PM »
Okay, but it says right at the top of that page in huge letters that it is supposed to be said by a priest only. I wasn't including the prayers of the exorcism ceremony, which do in fact address the devil. I was talking about prayers that anyone can say.



And it addresses this request to God the Father, not to the devil.
I have Father Ripperger's prayer book for laymen and NONE of the prayers are addressed to the enemy. Many of the prayers are like the Shield of St. Patrick, and others begin "In the name of Jesus." We are not exorcists, which is clearly explained in the intro.

This is a great example of a straw-man logical fallacy.

Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2022, 01:22:44 PM »
Did Father Ripperger explain why priests can no longer use the long St. Michael's prayer?
It has something to do with the docuмent  Inde ab Aliquot Annis he mentions in the introduction of his book Deliverance Prayers For The Laity.

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2022, 06:23:52 PM »
I have Father Ripperger's prayer book for laymen and NONE of the prayers are addressed to the enemy. Many of the prayers are like the Shield of St. Patrick, and others begin "In the name of Jesus." We are not exorcists, which is clearly explained in the intro.

This is a great example of a straw-man logical fallacy.
I was responding to a quote from a prayer posted by Holy Angels. If you dispute that the prayer says what Angels said it says, then you are arguing against him, not me.