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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2022, 06:32:19 AM »
The bolded part seems to indicate you need to reread the introduction.

You apparently need to read the book you’re promoting here as you falsely claimed that all the prayers in this book are addressed to God, Our Lady, and the saints.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2022, 08:00:20 AM »
I have read the introduction, BTW.  Father Ripperger asserts that lay people can make these binding prayers in the context of those over whom they have authority.  He says that they do not see "retaliation" taking place in those circuмstances.  But that seems purely anecdotal.  "Well, we haven't seen it happen."  How do they really know?  But, that aside, the tone of many of these prayers, as cited above, does NOT make that clear at all.  They're much more general and do not have any specific wording along those lines.  It is extremely dangerous to attempt to direcly issue commands to demons.  Every one of these prayers could, and absolutely should, simply be re-written along the lines of, "God [or Our Blessed Mother or the angels], please enforce the authority I have over these souls (wife, children, etc.) and accept my request, base on that authority, which is in fact your authority communicated to me, and banish these demonic spirit from them."


Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2022, 09:23:37 AM »
You apparently need to read the book you’re promoting here as you falsely claimed that all the prayers in this book are addressed to God, Our Lady, and the saints.
To clarify...
"Well, all the prayers in my copy invoke either Our Lady, St Michael, the Precious Blood, the Holy Angels, our guardian angel, the Holy Ghost, the Blessed Trinity, Our Lord, or a combination of them to do the binding." 
That's what I posted. Unless you are referring to a different post of mine ?

The Adjuration prayer you quoted. I've never used that one but do see the concern over "I cast you out.." 
I'd change that to "Jesus, I ask Thee to cast out..." per the instructions in the introduction. 

Nevertheless the Adjuration prayer implies no authority by the one praying it but rather indicates Mary, God, and Our Lord are exerting the power over the demons. 

I've been praying the Auxilium Christianorum Prayers and haven't actually read every prayer in the book yet. The ones that are for wives and children don't apply to me as I'm single. And the Masonic curse prayers don't apply to me. The book is just a collection of prayers from various other books. Not meant to replace something like My Prayer Book by Fr Lasance.

I'll read all the prayers of the book this evening at work. You have me wanting to determine how many of the prayers contain words that could imply authority a layman doesn't possess (no pun) unless modified. 

Also, although I've not had access to a copy of the version for the Clergy, I'm guessing the introduction of it differs from the Laity version.

When I mentioned rereading the introduction, I was not implying you did not comprehend it in regards to Fr's explanation of a layman's use of the prayers. I had to read it a few times myself. Your concerns are valid but as long as a layman understands what level and types of authority we have, it's not an issue.

Those who think about demons obsessively or whose spiritual life is a mess ? Absolutely they should not use these prayers, as Fr Ripperger clearly acknowledges.



Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2022, 02:11:45 PM »

Nevertheless the Adjuration prayer implies no authority by the one praying it but rather indicates Mary, God, and Our Lord are exerting the power over the demons.

It doesn't matter that that the commands to the demons are "in the name of Jesus," etc.  Problem remains that lay people act as if they had the authority to exert or invoke that authority.  It is the layman delivering this "Adjuration" that is exerting the power, made clear by the first person there, "I bind ...", "I cast out ...", "I command ...".

Offline Yeti

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2022, 02:20:06 PM »
Thread slipped down the page before I saw this, but now that I see it, ...

... in MY copy:
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Spirit of [N.], I bind you in the Name of Jesus ...


With N., you're supposed to specify the exact type of evil spirit you're attempting to bind.

He even has a Latin version.  Is that supposed to imply that this is some official prayer of the Church?
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Spiritus [N.], ego te ligo in nomine Jesus ...


That Latin sounds like something a priest would say.


What the devil are you supposed to insert for the "N."??! The name of the demon? His rank in the infernal choirs of angels? What? And how are you supposed to know any of this information? By asking the demon to show you his ID and proof of insurance?! This is not just bizarre, it's outright disturbing!