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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2022, 02:28:29 PM »
Regarding the term diabolic obsession not used prior to VII, it is because it was previously known as Circuмsession.

Typically circuмsession (Lat. circuмsessio) referred to the relations of the Three Persons of the Trinity and their mutual indwelling. Circuмsessio is different than obsessio, but some of the spiritual authors note that earlier authors, before the advent of neoscholastic systematic theology, used various terms interchangeably. However, I'm not well read in the books on demons... The manualists seem not to use circuмsessio to refer to diabolical influence because this term is already used in reference to Trinitarian theology. Tanquerey and Royo Marin (and the authors they cite) tend to use obsession and possession as the main divisions when discussing the relationship of diabolical influence to the spiritual life.

I am also very skeptical of referring to Original Sin and its consequences as an example of "generational spirits," since no traditional theologian that I have ever read does this. Could you furnish a concrete example of a theologian who does so, or perhaps one that Fr Ripperger references?

Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2022, 02:40:45 PM »
This would tell me, not sure why it doesn't tell you, but this would tell me in no uncertain terms that something I'm doing is wrong. If I tied it to Fr. Ripperger as you do, then that would be the immediate end of him for me. 

Some years ago I listened to a few dozen of his sermons / talks and they were good, but, not sure how I would describe them exactly, maybe simply saying that his are sermons given by an indult priest is the best way to describe what you will hear. But thankfully, I did not experience what you did.

  We have zero, I repeat, zero reason to delve into the source of our temptations any deeper than to know the devil is tempting us. This is a curiosity that is not only dangerous to delve into, there is something a bit perverse about it as well. What you describe strikes me, or is likened to him writing about us trying to figure out a particular devil's personality, scary for him to even publish such a thing, even though these days I think most would disagree.

What we need to know, and *all* that we need to know, is the best methods to avoid temptation so as to not sin. 

I could go on about the reasons why I stopped listening to him, suffice to say that there is a lot he says that does not need saying, a lot that does not say, and some things he should say that he does not, just the same as many [indult] priests. I used to wonder if the revenue he generates for his order has anything to do with it, but I don't really think that's it. I think he waves both the trad and NO flags - as do all indult priests, and this is what came out in the sermons I heard. 
Well I just spent about 20 minutes preparing a reply to your post and when I tried to submit it it said I was logged out and I lost the text. 

Longer story short, I agree all we need to know is how to fight temptation. And the great majority of his catechesis is precisely on that topic.

Before I started praying the Deliverance prayers and the Auxilium Christianorum prayers I was in and out of the confessional a couple times a week over the same four sins. It's going on 2 months since I've committed those sins. I've been tempted but immediately caught myself. So I think I am doing something right. And evidence of it is that I'm pissing off the demons responsible for tempting me to commit those sins.

I'm closing whatever doors were open and now they're trying a different tactic of scaring me and it's failing.

My prayer time has increased ~ tenfold and for the first time in my life I get what true mental prayer is by reading the Lehodey work I discovered while a watching one of Fr Ripperger's videos.

He's not for everyone. I totally get that. 

Pax





   



Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2022, 03:03:55 PM »
Typically circuмsession (Lat. circuмsessio) referred to the relations of the Three Persons of the Trinity and their mutual indwelling. Circuмsessio is different than obsessio, but some of the spiritual authors note that earlier authors, before the advent of neoscholastic systematic theology, used various terms interchangeably. However, I'm not well read in the books on demons... The manualists seem not to use circuмsessio to refer to diabolical influence because this term is already used in reference to Trinitarian theology. Tanquerey and Royo Marin (and the authors they cite) tend to use obsession and possession as the main divisions when discussing the relationship of diabolical influence to the spiritual life.

I am also very skeptical of referring to Original Sin and its consequences as an example of "generational spirits," since no traditional theologian that I have ever read does this. Could you furnish a concrete example of a theologian who does so, or perhaps one that Fr Ripperger references?
No, original sin as an example is totally an notion of my own. I'm wide open to correction on that.

I just took a quick glance at the chapter where he discusses generational spirits and there are quite a few footnotes and citations. One is from Mark 9:20 Where a man brings his possessed son to Jesus, and the man is asked how long his son had been this way. The man answered "from his birth". Fr Ripperger then proceeds to speculate on causes. One of which is while the infant was in the womb the mother may have committed a sin which granted access to a demon.

Just scanning over the text I noticed St Thomas mentioned. Fr Ripperger offers another way demons can get access to children which is by means of the sins of parents. And the children can commit those sins by means of imitation.

I'll have to wait until later this evening and read the entire section on generational spirits.

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2022, 04:30:14 PM »
I’d be cautious about getting overly involved in his exorcism prayers.  He wrote and adapted most of them.  I think it’s not good for lay people to be praying other than short spiritual warfare prayers as needed under demonic temptation, or as guided by one’s spiritual advisor.  (One amateur exorcist in the resistance movement is enough!) 
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Indeed. Why does he need to be writing his own prayers? I've never heard of a traditional priest composing his own prayers. And I believe prayers before Vatican 2 had to be approved by a bishop.

In any case, why not just tell people to say the rosary? Isn't that effective enough against demons?! I've heard of maybe one or two prayers specifically against demons before Vatican 2, such as the St. Michael's prayer (both versions, I guess), and the minor exorcism, which I think it a longer version of the two I mentioned already. Other than that, the idea doesn't appear to be traditional. And you're telling me Ripperger has written enough of these anti-demon prayers to fill an entire BOOK??! :facepalm:

Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2022, 04:35:32 PM »
The St. Michael's prayer and the Rosary are really all you need, practically. I have first-hand experience of the St. Michael's prayer's efficacy. You don't need a book full of spurious prayers from some celebrity exorcist.