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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #170 on: October 01, 2022, 12:35:53 PM »
Good deal. Make sure to cite Ripperger promoting Solemn Exorcism by the Laity as well.
:popcorn:

Read my latest post.  Your dishonestly manifests itself more with each post.  No one ever claimed that Ripperger was advocating solemn exorcism.  That's actually central to Ripperger's blunder, however, which you accept by way of begging the question.

This has nothing to do with the solemn vs. private distinction, and everything to do with imperative vs. deprecatory adjuration of demons.

St. Alphonsus clearly states that 1) it's grave sin to use a deprecatory adjuration with a demon (even for an exorcist) and that 2) only exorcists (by virtue of having authority over demons) can issue imperative adjurations (i.e. command adjurations) to demons.

Case closed.  Ripperger blunders and misreads St. Alphonsus, and then uses that misreading to justify his novelty of publishing deliverance prayers for that laity that include imperative adjuration of demons.  This is why there's no Tradition whatsoever of lay people engaging demons in this manner.  Laity have no authority over demons to issue imperative adjurations, and it's grave sin to issue deprecatory adjurations to demons.

It's also grave sin for the Exorcist to interrogate the demons other than specifically about things which are necessary to know in order to extirpate the demon from the obsessed.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #171 on: October 01, 2022, 12:37:29 PM »
^ Down voted ? Lol
 
Hey, keeping it honest can't hurt can it ?

More dishonesty, implying that I downvoted you.  I had not returned to this thread nor seen your posts until I had finished my research of St. Alphonsus and posted it.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #172 on: October 01, 2022, 12:38:21 PM »
You can go choke on your popcorn, as you have been promoting aberrant and sinful behavior by shilling for Ripperger.

Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #173 on: October 01, 2022, 01:11:12 PM »
Firstly, I find it very logical. It clearly shows the boundaries wherein the devil and his demons can act, and how the authority structure is important on how to fight the diabolic. It is good to have laid out the traditional structure of the family, to show a)the right order within the family unit and b) how that will further elucidate the daily means of spiritual combat.

As for Father Ripperger, there are indeed problem areas. One major one is his association with the Novus Ordo Mass. He could not criticize it while he was in the FSSP and that lack carries into his present ministry. The increased lack of efficacy of exorcisms has to be tied in with ongoing celebration of the Bogus NoNo by exorcists. Despite the solid philosophy and theology in the texts Dominion and the one on mental health, how one can logically remain in the conciliar church is a bit baffling. That the ecclesial structure of authority was destroyed in Vatican II would explain if nothing else how the demonic has been given the power over society and the structures of the conciliar church.

I take the good from Father R's texts, and through judicious discernment - as I have received formal philosophical and theological education - question the remainder to see if it be ill or no.:cowboy:
Bogus Nono- I love it

Re: Anyone follow Fr Ripperger here ?
« Reply #174 on: October 01, 2022, 02:17:40 PM »
Good deal. Make sure to cite Ripperger promoting Solemn Exorcism by the Laity as well.
:popcorn:
We also are still waiting for anything close to that.