Author Topic: 'Heretics', by GK Chesterton (Read 9390 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #15 on:** June 26, 2010, 12:53:34 PM »

oh and St. John Vianney's words are rejected and ignored....

Dawn · « **Reply #16 on:** June 26, 2010, 03:17:49 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

One sees a lot of Catholics who like Chesterton but they typically lack an interest in the writings of saints.

Now that is funny. And, the person who started this thread reads the writings of the Saints ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. I do as well, but I do not devote my entire day to reading and praying as duty calls and I must take care of my large family.
Yes, BTW I do know this for a fact

Trinity · « **Reply #17 on:** June 26, 2010, 06:04:48 PM »

I'll take it a step further, Dulcamara. If one refuses to have anything to do with non Catholics, who do they go to for health care, groceries, car repair, etc, etc. God must have gifted these people for them to be able to do the things they do.

Chesterton was gifted. He would get so deeply into his thoughts that he would get lost. One day he telegraphed his wife from down town to ask her where he was going.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** June 26, 2010, 07:58:21 PM »

Quote from: Dawn

Quote from: Telesphorus
One sees a lot of Catholics who like Chesterton but they typically lack an interest in the writings of saints.

Now that is funny. And, the person who started this thread reads the writings of the Saints ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. I do as well, but I do not devote my entire day to reading and praying as duty calls and I must take care of my large family.
Yes, BTW I do know this for a fact

Do you think I was talking about Eamon?

I read Orthodoxy, I found many problems with Chesterton's writings.

Dulcamara · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2010, 12:17:28 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

One sees a lot of Catholics who like Chesterton but they typically lack an interest in the writings of saints.

That's probably because Catholics these days typically lack interest in those deeper things they need and ought to have a taste for. That they like Chesterton or not is purely incidental, I'm sure.

I love St. Thomas Aquinas's writings. I wish my copies of them weren't packed away in a box right now, so I could read them. :sad:

Dawn · « **Reply #20 on:** June 27, 2010, 06:23:47 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Dawn
Quote from: Telesphorus
One sees a lot of Catholics who like Chesterton but they typically lack an interest in the writings of saints.

Now that is funny. And, the person who started this thread reads the writings of the Saints ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. I do as well, but I do not devote my entire day to reading and praying as duty calls and I must take care of my large family.
Yes, BTW I do know this for a fact

Do you think I was talking about Eamon?

I read Orthodoxy, I found many problems with Chesterton's writings.

Iguess I misunderstood and for that I apologize. Now, I do think you might be talking of the EWTN type "Catholic". I know he is really big over there, and we all know that they do not spend any time reading the Saints except for new versions of the writings of the Saints that have been scrubbed of anything to do with Truth.

Belloc · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2010, 11:26:49 AM »

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

I am so sorry for having hated Chesterton so much without having read any of his works simply because TIA called him sth like a communist. This book is a gem thank you GV.

TIA is evil, real Jansenism possibly....(shout out to you Roscoe!! :smoke-pot:)

they visciously attack opponents of the "war on terror" and Cardinal Neuman too....heck, just about anyone really...unsure of their position on SOA...likely, for it though...

Belloc · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2010, 11:29:06 AM »

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Don't be sorry. He was an aggressive and unapologetic fan of the French Revolution and it wouldn't surprise me if he is going to go to hell for that alone. Any Catholic should know that the French Revolution is Satanic, and Chesterton knew about secret societies. This guy was the Stephen Colbert of his time, in my opinion. A plant and tool of the media whose job was to break apart the Catholic sense of people.

I also think his constant use of humor is inappropriate and almost the exact opposite of how a Catholic should teach and speak. Hence the Stephen Colbert comparison. At least Chesterton's use of irony wasn't as incomprehensibly baroque as Colbert's, but it was on the way there.

I don't understand why more people can't see through him. Have they read The Everlasting Man? What real Catholic writes in this exuberant, complacent, self-satisfied way? It's like three hundred pages of Chesterton talking about how he wants to run through fields and leap about because of his love of Christ... It's the most banal, sickeningly, falsely optimistic thing I've ever read. It's almost like a prediction of Novus Ordo "bliss," of all these modern Catholics who are happy as pigs in the mud in Jєω America. You know, the kind of Catholic who is satisfied just saying they love Christ and then turning their mind off totally to reality or to what is happening in society and the Church.

was he for French Revolution after his conversion? a lot of people try to hang him and Belloc for things they said early in their lives, but never look later at their views...

to me, he was too in uspport of letting Jєωs have Palestine, but can forgive a few faluts, ehck, prior to meeting some here at FE yrs ago, I wa an unabasehd Americanist.....we grow and change....some of us.....

Belloc · « **Reply #23 on:** June 28, 2010, 11:30:02 AM »

Quote from: Dawn

Chesterton has some wonderful writings and quips. Luckily we can read Chesterton as he is not meant to be infallible, jut thought provoking and entertaining.

:applause: :applause: :cheers:

Belloc · « **Reply #24 on:** June 28, 2010, 11:32:57 AM »

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One sees a lot of Catholics who like Chesterton but they typically lack an interest in the writings of saints.

I have a heard time understanding him sometimes, but that is my fault, not his...and I love to read thelives of saints......so??

he defended teaching on the family and against euthanasia, sawa priest on his deathbed and received the Last Rites.....so, will hope he is likely not in hell, maybe purgatory, fine, but hell unlikely-up to God in the end......

Belloc · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2010, 11:34:35 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Dawn
Quote from: Telesphorus
One sees a lot of Catholics who like Chesterton but they typically lack an interest in the writings of saints.

Now that is funny. And, the person who started this thread reads the writings of the Saints ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. I do as well, but I do not devote my entire day to reading and praying as duty calls and I must take care of my large family.
Yes, BTW I do know this for a fact

Do you think I was talking about Eamon?

I read Orthodoxy, I found many problems with Chesterton's writings.

he was not Catholic then-so, likely there would be problems as you are Catholic for many yrs and have a grounded Catholic background......he at that time did not...St. paul ( a saint and writer) tells use to take the good, leave the bad to paraphrase......

henry · « **Reply #26 on:** July 05, 2010, 03:15:21 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

I read Orthodoxy, I found many problems with Chesterton's writings.

I like Chesterton. What problems do you find in his writings?

Dawn · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2010, 09:26:05 AM »

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Telesphorus
One sees a lot of Catholics who like Chesterton but they typically lack an interest in the writings of saints.

I have a heard time understanding him sometimes, but that is my fault, not his...and I love to read thelives of saints......so??

he defended teaching on the family and against euthanasia, sawa priest on his deathbed and received the Last Rites.....so, will hope he is likely not in hell, maybe purgatory, fine, but hell unlikely-up to God in the end......

Now, that is true. Chesterton is hard to understand. I do like to listen to Dale Ahlquist speak of him. And, somewhere I have saved the American Chesterton society so I can use his quotes.
And, I think that this entire argument in pointless. If there is one person that can be counted on to defend the faith and never, ever lead us to read someone that we should not it is Gladius Veritatis.

Belloc · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2010, 09:59:30 AM »

I met and had dinner w/Dale-will PM you if ya want to talk about it..

Chesterton is hard to understand, at least for me, in his style of writing, people like Dale Ahlquest make it easier-do you get the Gilbert magazine? I do, good articles in there!

Chesterton is like the rest of us-fallen and faulty, he really treid to make a difference. Used to have a description of his death, cannot locate it now...Fr. Mcnabb prayer with him, sang the Salve regina and gave him Last Rites....if I find it, will post-very moving....

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #29 on:** August 21, 2010, 08:14:50 PM »

I never saw this, as I was not online at the time of the discussion.

No, GKC is not perfect, but he has a helluva lot to say that is incredibly insightful, and he says it in a way that surpasses almost all writers of the 20th century.

What is more, this thread is in the LIBRARY, and was placed here (and not elsewhere) for a reason. If people want to discuss GKC's merits or faults, the appropriate thing to do is start another thread.

Quote from: Matthew

This is a read-only reference forum...

This forum is not for chat, discussions, or time-sensitive (news) articles.

At the least, those who felt the need to say something should have tried to limit themselves to Heretics. Although I have likely read MUCH more GKC than any of you, the fact that I posted this book is not an endorsement of every word in it, nor of every word ever written by GKC.